inb4- "DK's are fine"

TheBull

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

Infraction

Actually inb4 "why didn't you roll a dk?"

ljb2k5_ESO

More like in nb4 "why did you stand in like 2 overlapping standards"

TheBull

ljb2k5_ESO wrote: »

More like in nb4 "why did you stand in like 2 overlapping standards"

Isn't that kinda like "inb4 - why did you stand next to him?

Anyways, you need to look at that again. I was in no banner when I engaged.

He dropped 2 on me within 4 secs and had dropped several more before I had arrived.

lao

ljb2k5_ESO wrote: »

More like in nb4 "why did you stand in like 2 overlapping standards"

this. DK may be OP but not beeing braindead does idd help alot

Sheneria

Thats what you get for picking the wrong class.
L2picktherightclass noob.

Also inb4 "A NB with path of darkness and Veil of blades can do the same"

ImaginaryDimension

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

Yeah, because standing inside a DK's banner is the best possible thing you can do.

Learn the skills of your enemy to be able to defeat your enemy.

I am a DK and here is what my banner does when I drop one.

Standard of Might:
Enemies take 169 flame damage every second and receive 50% less healing for 17 seconds. While on standard of might, player deals 35% more damage and takes 35% less damage.

Placing a banner regenerates 50% hp, 50% magika and 50% stamina (although this stat is not mentioned in the description)

So it's very simple. Move away from them when they place a banner. Not all jump on his face because guess what? The more people that jump on him, the faster he can but another banner down.

TheBull

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

Yeah, because standing inside a DK's banner is the best possible thing you can do.

Learn the skills of your enemy to be able to defeat your enemy.

I am a DK and here is what my banner does when I drop one.

Standard of Might:
Enemies take 169 flame damage every second and receive 50% less healing for 17 seconds. While on standard of might, player deals 35% more damage and takes 35% less damage.

Placing a banner regenerates 50% hp, 50% magika and 50% stamina (although this stat is not mentioned in the description)

So it's very simple. Move away from them when they place a banner. Not all jump on his face because guess what? The more people that jump on him, the faster he can but another banner down.

Samething they said about bats.

JosephChip

Well what kind of suggestion do you expect? Banner is a very powerful area ability. Roll out of it and it is suddenly useless. It's really just that.
Also, looking at the video I'd say you and pretty much all of your friends were underleveled/terrible. No cc of any sort nor much damage dealt to him. People standing around or auto-attacking

TheBull

JosephChip wrote: »

Well what kind of suggestion do you expect? Banner is a very powerful area ability. Roll out of it and it is suddenly useless. It's really just that.

So when they come into your keep/tower/space and spam 5 banners on your flag, roll out of it? gotcha.

Hope the DK stands there, and doesn't move 3 yards to the left, and spam another banner.

ImaginaryDimension

TheBull wrote: »

ImaginaryDimension wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

Yeah, because standing inside a DK's banner is the best possible thing you can do.

Learn the skills of your enemy to be able to defeat your enemy.

I am a DK and here is what my banner does when I drop one.

Standard of Might:
Enemies take 169 flame damage every second and receive 50% less healing for 17 seconds. While on standard of might, player deals 35% more damage and takes 35% less damage.

Placing a banner regenerates 50% hp, 50% magika and 50% stamina (although this stat is not mentioned in the description)

So it's very simple. Move away from them when they place a banner. Not all jump on his face because guess what? The more people that jump on him, the faster he can but another banner down.

Samething they said about bats.

I watched the youtube video and you're clearly standing inside his banner, your hp is dropping and you're just attacking him. You have plenty of stamina to roll out, not just once but multiple times.

It's just a learning curve. Maybe you didn't notice the banner? Maybe you forgot to roll? I don't know but a DK is only powerful if his enemies are stupid.

Everyone and their grandma knows to roll out of banners. Yet you just stand there and wonder why you died?

beravinprb19_ESO

Thats ultimate cost reduction right there. I think this has less to do with DKs and more to do with ultimate cost reduction being stupid as far as balance is concerned. We said this exact same thing about Vampires, but Zenimax fixed the abilities instead of the gear itself.

TheBull

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Thats ultimate cost reduction right there. I think this has less to do with DKs and more to do with ultimate cost reduction being stupid as far as balance is concerned. We said this exact same thing about Vampires, but Zenimax fixed the abilities instead of the gear itself.

Nerf the gear witch effects ever class and every ultimate, or nerf the DK ultimate reduction ability and raise the cost of the ultimate?

beravinprb19_ESO

TheBull wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Thats ultimate cost reduction right there. I think this has less to do with DKs and more to do with ultimate cost reduction being stupid as far as balance is concerned. We said this exact same thing about Vampires, but Zenimax fixed the abilities instead of the gear itself.

Nerf the gear witch effects ever class and every ultimate, or nerf the DK ultimate reduction ability and raise the cost of the ultimate?

You don't get it. Ultimate cost reduction is leading to a lot of problems in both PvE and PvP. Classes can solo a lot of dungeons because they can stack ultimates over and over again. In PvP its the same, if you have the right gear you can use your ultimate several times in a 1 on 1 fight. I've seen cases where a players main attack is their ultimate, so yeah...

Edit: What DK ultimate reduction ability are you talking about? I must be missing something, since I play a DK and I have have not seen this ability. Could you please elaborate?

TheBull

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Thats ultimate cost reduction right there. I think this has less to do with DKs and more to do with ultimate cost reduction being stupid as far as balance is concerned. We said this exact same thing about Vampires, but Zenimax fixed the abilities instead of the gear itself.

Nerf the gear witch effects ever class and every ultimate, or nerf the DK ultimate reduction ability and raise the cost of the ultimate?

You don't get it. Ultimate cost reduction is leading to a lot of problems in both PvE and PvP. Classes can solo a lot of dungeons because they can stack ultimates over and over again. In PvP its the same, if you have the right gear you can use your ultimate several times in a 1 on 1 fight. I've seen cases where a players main attack is their ultimate, so yeah...

Edit: What DK ultimate reduction ability are you talking about? I must be missing something, since I play a DK and I have have not seen this ability. Could you please elaborate?

My bad that's Sorc with extra 15%. Imagine if they had banner... yikes.

Dude left a stream of banners like the Bolt Escape portals lmao

NakedSnake

Ultimate reduction should be a class specific buff. Remove the gear from the game completely. This should have happened with the vamp fix.

Samadhi

One time I went 1v1 against a VR2 DK; I was VR1 so it was pretty well matched.
He dropped a flag, I rolled out of the circle and attacked him with ranged skills until it ended.
He was too afraid to leave his circle, so he sat there taking hits hoping I would go back in; I guess he didn't have enough magicka to pull me or didn't expect someone to counter by leaving the circle and didn't have a pull on his bar.

After his circle ran out he tried rushing me. I melted him with a Soul Assault.

TL;DR:
Move out of the circle, and stay out of the circle; it's a bad place to be.

JosephChip

TheBull wrote: »

JosephChip wrote: »

Well what kind of suggestion do you expect? Banner is a very powerful area ability. Roll out of it and it is suddenly useless. It's really just that.

So when they come into your keep/tower/space and spam 5 banners on your flag, roll out of it? gotcha.

Hope the DK stands there, and doesn't move 3 yards to the left, and spam another banner.

Yes, move. Most of the times you can. If you can't it means you are fighting in a very tight space (like the small rooms at the sides of a bridge gatehouse). In that case you are fully aware of the risks in doing so and you should likely only had done it if you could benefit from it.
As for the spam, it was already pointed out how it depends on ultimate cost reduction, which I agree is far too good.

Niffo

TheBull wrote: »

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Thats ultimate cost reduction right there. I think this has less to do with DKs and more to do with ultimate cost reduction being stupid as far as balance is concerned. We said this exact same thing about Vampires, but Zenimax fixed the abilities instead of the gear itself.

Nerf the gear witch effects ever class and every ultimate, or nerf the DK ultimate reduction ability and raise the cost of the ultimate?

Dragonknights don't actually have a class passive that reduces ultimate cost reduction.

Niffo

NakedSnake wrote: »

Ultimate reduction should be a class specific buff. Remove the gear from the game completely. This should have happened with the vamp fix.

Class specific buff for ultimate cost reduction wouldn't help things, there shouldn't be any ultimate cost reduction passives outside of the Vampire ones, and the currenty ultimate cost reduction gear should have lower percentage reductions so it can't be stacked high enough to make ultimates trivial to cast.

JosephChip

I would actually remove ultimate cost reduction from the game. This stat is not really needed and only creates balancing problems.

Head.hunter

For the past two days ultimate generating has been nerfed. Earthen heart is supposed to generate a bit of ultimate points per use, which makes sense since most of those skills cost about 300-400 magicka, but now it's just jammed.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Dk have no mobility, short range spells and no execute while every other class gets an execute.

Nox_Aeterna

I played a LOT of MMOs , NEVER i saw such completely broken crap right out of the game start like this.

Mate that 1.1 better bring the greatest balance miracle ever seen in a MMO.

limeli8

I can't see the name of a DK in question lol but if that was "fixate" it would explain a lot considering he is the current emperor.

Mwiff

He's an emperor and you had 8 seconds to roll out of that.

Teevesnacks

You pretty much sat through his banner, why you no move out? You must have tunnel visioned hard.

One thing you did prove though, like in most games, standing in fire is bad.

Bipolo

So yeah, i made a little DK troll-film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRXkASFc7NM&feature=share&list=PLwUIfedcBjIrKMqZMD-X84wGtK9yL9OSr&index=2

Brizz

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Dk have no mobility, short range spells and no execute while every other class gets an execute.

Anyone can get a gap closer via 1 Hand and Shield (Shield Charge) or 2 handed (critical charge). They can also get an execute if they were to use a 2 handed weapon (reverse slash), but why would they need to?

They can LolTalons you over and over, put up searing strike and hold block all day to kill anyone. Add an ultimate - (spammable that does incredible damage+player damage+player reduced damage taken) AND an INSTANT heal that gives you stamina regen as well as half your missing HP.

I vote that ZOS listens to this guy - Give DKs a gap closer and execute, then remove BrokenTalons, Standard of Skill and Dragon Blood.

Your attempts to defend your class are pitiful.

Eylith

Brizz wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Dk have no mobility, short range spells and no execute while every other class gets an execute.

Anyone can get a gap closer via 1 Hand and Shield (Shield Charge) or 2 handed (critical charge). They can also get an execute if they were to use a 2 handed weapon (reverse slash), but why would they need to?

They can LolTalons you over and over, put up searing strike and hold block all day to kill anyone. Add an ultimate - (spammable that does incredible damage+player damage+player reduced damage taken) AND an INSTANT heal that gives you stamina regen as well as half your missing HP.

I vote that ZOS listens to this guy - Give DKs a gap closer and execute, then remove BrokenTalons, Standard of Skill and Dragon Blood.

Your attempts to defend your class are pitiful.

You don't even know what you're talking about. If heavy armor/medium armor, talon cost ~1/4 magika bar, and if you spam it, you can't use Dragon Blood -wich give 30% of the missing health, not 50%. Plus, you can escape the flag ultimate with ONE DODGE ROLL.

Truth is, you're not good at PvP. L2P.

Infraction

Eylith wrote: »

Brizz wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Inb4- "you noob why did you stand next to him?"

Well I got there a little late I figured that with 10+ Allies around me this one guy should go down pretty quickly. I didn't notices all the +>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KssiiRhYII

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Dk have no mobility, short range spells and no execute while every other class gets an execute.

Anyone can get a gap closer via 1 Hand and Shield (Shield Charge) or 2 handed (critical charge). They can also get an execute if they were to use a 2 handed weapon (reverse slash), but why would they need to?

They can LolTalons you over and over, put up searing strike and hold block all day to kill anyone. Add an ultimate - (spammable that does incredible damage+player damage+player reduced damage taken) AND an INSTANT heal that gives you stamina regen as well as half your missing HP.

I vote that ZOS listens to this guy - Give DKs a gap closer and execute, then remove BrokenTalons, Standard of Skill and Dragon Blood.

Your attempts to defend your class are pitiful.

You don't even know what you're talking about. If heavy armor/medium armor, talon cost ~1/4 magika bar, and if you spam it, you can't use Dragon Blood -wich give 30% of the missing health, not 50%. Plus, you can escape the flag ultimate with ONE DODGE ROLL.

Truth is, you're not good at PvP. L2P.

I don't know how many times ive dodge rolled away only to have a DK shield charge me and throw another talons down or rolled away only for them to take a step forward and repeat the process. Plus the "good" ones know they can build enough ultimate shield charging into groups that they can throw multiple standards down.

Its tough being able to regen the amount of stamina and health that they can while maintaining the ability to block at a 360 degree angle.