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SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
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alternatelder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷1 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
[snip] If there's hundreds of players on that fully yellow map you may wanna check and see if they're actually players and not bots
[edited for trolling]Edited by ZOS_Kraken on 5 August 2026 20:57Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...3 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
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this is not the flex you think it is xD Its exactly what i said, people just rotating from faction to faction to zerg an empty map on repeat. So sad.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...1 -
Eldovar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »
this is not the flex you think it is xD Its exactly what i said, people just rotating from faction to faction to zerg an empty map on repeat. So sad.
It’s not a flex. I don’t say what you have to find fun or not.
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Luneca✭✭✭✭✭If the option is Vengeance or doing PvE, I'd rather sleep. Call me when Vengeance lets me fire 8 Coldfire siege. Or the reward is 1000 Coldfire siege in the GrayHost camp. I'll even take trebuchets.1 -
LPapirius✭✭✭✭✭
✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.3 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.PC EU1 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭
Instead of complaining about the existence of a campaign you don’t have to play you could also ask to allow using more than one siege per type in Vengeance.If the option is Vengeance or doing PvE, I'd rather sleep. Call me when Vengeance lets me fire 8 Coldfire siege. Or the reward is 1000 Coldfire siege in the GrayHost camp. I'll even take trebuchets.
Many Vengeance players would also prefer if that cap didn't exist.
Imagine a campaign where players hit twice or more by coldfire would actually die and not saved by buffs and healing by teammates.
ZOS added Vengeance coldfire ballista that is pretty hard to outheal and if you could use two of them you could kill everyone you hit. You can already ask a friend to setup one for you so you have 2.PC EU0 -
Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭They should probably reduce the ‘pop cap’ for vengeance so we can at least see the numbers compared to GH.
I mean, it seems dead but maybe, just maybe- it somehow isn’t.Edited by Wuuffyy on 6 August 2026 12:49Wuuffyy,
'end-game' PvE and PvP player
ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
-new players, feel free to DM for guidance!2 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭
Instead of complaining about the existence of a campaign you don’t have to play you could also ask to allow using more than one siege per type in Vengeance.If the option is Vengeance or doing PvE, I'd rather sleep. Call me when Vengeance lets me fire 8 Coldfire siege. Or the reward is 1000 Coldfire siege in the GrayHost camp. I'll even take trebuchets.
Many Vengeance players would also prefer if that cap didn't exist.
Imagine a campaign where players hit twice or more by coldfire would actually die and not saved by buffs and healing by teammates.
ZOS added Vengeance coldfire ballista that is pretty hard to outheal and if you could use two of them you could kill everyone you hit. You can already ask a friend to setup one for you so you have 2.
Exactly, I don't have to play it. So I can and will continue to criticize it, especially when ZOS feels the need to force it upon me every so often to provide data for a better experience in a game mode I neither want nor care about.
Also Vengeance coldfire is less effective than stacked coldfire in Gray Host. I use 4-8 of them to make an entire faction suffer when they roll up to KC/Farra. But it's their fault for not using siege. It's their fault for not using siege shield. And before anyone say it isn't skillful, can you do it? Can you take on 25+ with siege by yourself?
Vengeance doesn't allow that kind of counter to numbers. Where I can just fire siege and wipe them out. Instead, I just wait for my death while an army of people have no threat of dying thanks to damage caps and other cheese baked into the system and rules of the camp.
I cannot be convinced that Vengeance is balanced or equivalent when it has a greater population cap , and numbers on it can shift hard to one population versus the others esp. in events like Midyear Mayhem.
And, apparently it's not just me that can't be convinced, which is why it's a dead campaign. Too bad ZOS didn't force it on Midyear, if they had, they could have said the successful test was successful.5 -
Lucasl402✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
No.
ZOS keeps removing GH from the game to force people into vengeance almost nobody wants to play. Even with this years MYM ZOS refused to add additional camps for the overflow from GH and Blackreach, which are pop locking well before most can get home from work to play.
The shameless shilling from the handful of vengeance advocates is highly transparent and not factually reflective of what's going on with ZOS trying to force vengeance on everyone at the expense of the PvP we bought the game to play.4 -
Lucasl402✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.4 -
alternatelder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you trolling, or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?0 -
Lucasl402✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you trolling, or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
I no longer believe vengeance is being used to improve aspects of GH, as ZOS originally said was it's purpose. I don't know how anyone could believe this given how the last year of vengeance has played out. If it were, where are these improvements taking place and in what form?
I believe it's you and those still thinking vengeance is somehow going to be used to improve GH that are being naive and ignoring history. Either that or you see exactly where this is going and your just lobbying for GH to be shut down for some personal reason.
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amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you trolling, or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
Are we some beta players or something?
The game is 12 years old, I refuse to be a crashtest dummy.
GH (no mind the name) is the vanilla pvp etablished since begin and the reason why a lot of people bought that game.
The fact they REFUSE to actively work on it to be improved but instead trying to FORCE us into a new system by removing gh for „tests“ is scandalous.2 -
BigPlays420✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you trolling, or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
Are you trolling or do you seriously not understand that vengeance testing is testing to build vengeance from the ground up as a new cyrodiil campaign at the expense of their PvP player-base?3 -
amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭BigPlays420 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you trolling, or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
Are you trolling or do you seriously not understand that vengeance testing is testing to build vengeance from the ground up as a new cyrodiil campaign at the expense of their PvP player-base?
They deny facts same as the fact that the whole games population dies atm and Zos just doesn’t do anything.
It’s happening since months and years and I believe the lay offs are related to that fact too.
If the game would be performing well, Zos wouldn’t of been effected by this so hard.0