Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

Thank you american.
On the eu server we have 2-3 bars in Vengeance.
Im in a pvp guild that plays Greyhost every night(this week Vengeance every night).
We don't really like it either, but pvp is what we do.
Why would you decon your sets because of a one week test???
You can also increase your mount speed with other means.
Good luck.

I can only presume you’ve never actually played Icereach U50, unlike the other campaigns where you make a 160 set in IR you need to change sets every four levels. I had levels 20, 24, 28,32,36,40 & 44 for any character I used, as did many others. So yes I am reluctant to deconstruct those sets.

Sidewaves89 wrote: »

You spent majority of 850 days of actual gameplay in Icereach killing newbies?

Funnily enough the reason we first started running in Icereach was because 3 plebs were doing exactly that and even fleecing players for money so they could get their Emp title, we stopped that and helped many a player get Emp for free.

Luneca wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

Thank you american.
On the eu server we have 2-3 bars in Vengeance.

Good luck.

The company is american, the majority of people playing the game are american. So good luck keeping the lights on for this game without us.

Don't worry, at every point I've logged on to PC EU it was also empty. Not sure what "night" means for them, especially since some parts of the EU right now have daylight 24/7.

Prime time EU PVP is 7pm UK time( around 1pm Houston time) and Greyhost is packed at that time. During prime time we have a queue of 80 sometimes. Vengeance has bigger capacity, but still has 3 bars prime time PVP.
Where you get this "empty" from, beats me.

Xbox NA. @ZOS_Kevin

Just reporting some performance things. Dashboarding when loading into cyrodiil. 2-3 second delays between button press and abilities fired. Rubber banding. Load screens while in combat or riding mount.

Extra notice: whenever someone’s set proc proccs, and its visual is displayed, that’s where the lag/delay/desync is more noticeable, along with some crashing of the game as well.

Grega wrote: »

Luneca wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

Thank you american.
On the eu server we have 2-3 bars in Vengeance.

Good luck.

The company is american, the majority of people playing the game are american. So good luck keeping the lights on for this game without us.

Don't worry, at every point I've logged on to PC EU it was also empty. Not sure what "night" means for them, especially since some parts of the EU right now have daylight 24/7.

I live in Alaska, within arctic circle. And I’d say I’m on when most are not, and even then I wouldn’t say it’s empty. Enough people to flip res/keeps.

But yea, it’s not like a state fair attendance.

Log on around 10am (Anchorage time) to EU Cyrodiil and try that.

RaikaNA wrote: »

CappyCaineZ wrote: »

Now I’ve played ESO for many years with over 850 days of actual game play and the vast majority of my time was spent in U50, Icereach… I’ve spent many hours perfecting many U50 sets over the years, all of which are now useless and I can’t deconstruct them because I know the moment I do so, ESO will undoubtedly bring Icereach back! So obviously like so many others I’m not happy with the current thinking of ESO.

To make matters worse, you can no longer increase your mount speed by doing the Cyrodiil quest because you simply cannot use the temporary siege repair kit in Vengeance… Seriously unbelievable thinking on the part of the Devs.

Can we please have the U50 campaign back so we can get back to enjoying PVP as it was before?

I did actually try to send in a support ticket about this but amazingly, that doesn’t work either…

Prior to it being removed... U50 was a dead campaign. Nobody was playing in the campaign. it became a campaign to get an easy emperor title, and that was it. No, I do not want U50 coming back because nobody but emp farmers would be playing in the campaign.

I want ZOS to fix the servers, and if that means removing campaigns to improve the main one so be it.

This is true.
Also true for Ravenwatch. Dead except red ball groups. I only have experience on the EU server btw.

blktauna wrote: »

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

CappyCaineZ wrote: »

Now I’ve played ESO for many years with over 850 days of actual game play and the vast majority of my time was spent in U50, Icereach… I’ve spent many hours perfecting many U50 sets over the years, all of which are now useless and I can’t deconstruct them because I know the moment I do so, ESO will undoubtedly bring Icereach back! So obviously like so many others I’m not happy with the current thinking of ESO.

To make matters worse, you can no longer increase your mount speed by doing the Cyrodiil quest because you simply cannot use the temporary siege repair kit in Vengeance… Seriously unbelievable thinking on the part of the Devs.

Can we please have the U50 campaign back so we can get back to enjoying PVP as it was before?

I did actually try to send in a support ticket about this but amazingly, that doesn’t work either…

Prior to it being removed... U50 was a dead campaign. Nobody was playing in the campaign. it became a campaign to get an easy emperor title, and that was it. No, I do not want U50 coming back because nobody but emp farmers would be playing in the campaign.

I want ZOS to fix the servers, and if that means removing campaigns to improve the main one so be it.

This is true.
Also true for Ravenwatch. Dead except red ball groups. I only have experience on the EU server btw.

Well for us on a friday it was our small blue zerg ;-D

But we like Vengence better.

Vengeance just got better, but i still like Greyhost better.

Another day in vengeance and every time tarnish nightmare proccs on me I dashboard.

LadyGP wrote: »

ZoS really needs to come out and just give a solid update on what the vision for Vengence/GH is.

What are we even doing? Is anything we learn from these tests going to be ported into GH or is the plan to just add things to Vengence until the performance gets bad enough then we say okay this is the new camp?

If it's the second option... the problem starts with the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset in Vengence. The skills are too washed out.. no one has a real impact.. etc etc.

It's a 180 from what made GH and ESO combat as a whole fun and what always brings people back.

This is shaping up to be another U35 situation.. but on the PvP side of the house.. and zos appears to have not learned a thing.

'Tis a shame.

- xCat

Yep. Where are those improvements to GH that the "testing" from vengeance was supposed to yield anyway?

BigPlays420 wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

ZoS really needs to come out and just give a solid update on what the vision for Vengence/GH is.

What are we even doing? Is anything we learn from these tests going to be ported into GH or is the plan to just add things to Vengence until the performance gets bad enough then we say okay this is the new camp?

If it's the second option... the problem starts with the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset in Vengence. The skills are too washed out.. no one has a real impact.. etc etc.

It's a 180 from what made GH and ESO combat as a whole fun and what always brings people back.

This is shaping up to be another U35 situation.. but on the PvP side of the house.. and zos appears to have not learned a thing.

'Tis a shame.

- xCat

Yep. Where are those improvements to GH that the "testing" from vengeance was supposed to yield anyway?

Oh, you sweet summer child. They’re not testing Vengeance to improve Gray Host. They’re building PvP from the ground up—a project that’ll take the better part of a decade to finish, all while driving away the remaining PvP playerbase by repeatedly forcing an unfinished prototype on us instead of letting us play the game mode we actually log in for.

LOL

Couldn't agree more. This would be comical if it wasn't so dire.

BigPlays420 wrote: »

LPapirius wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

ZoS really needs to come out and just give a solid update on what the vision for Vengence/GH is.

What are we even doing? Is anything we learn from these tests going to be ported into GH or is the plan to just add things to Vengence until the performance gets bad enough then we say okay this is the new camp?

If it's the second option... the problem starts with the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset in Vengence. The skills are too washed out.. no one has a real impact.. etc etc.

It's a 180 from what made GH and ESO combat as a whole fun and what always brings people back.

This is shaping up to be another U35 situation.. but on the PvP side of the house.. and zos appears to have not learned a thing.

'Tis a shame.

- xCat

Yep. Where are those improvements to GH that the "testing" from vengeance was supposed to yield anyway?

Oh, you sweet summer child. They’re not testing Vengeance to improve Gray Host. They’re building PvP from the ground up—a project that’ll take the better part of a decade to finish, all while driving away the remaining PvP playerbase by repeatedly forcing an unfinished prototype on us instead of letting us play the game mode we actually log in for.

How would they test it and then improve it if none where supposed to play it?
Or did you think only PVE players where to test it and in the end it would be perfect for PVP players?
I really don't understand your logic....

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The problem with eso pvp right now isn't the fact that it is filled with "non-pvpers". The problem is that it is filled with predominately pvp-focused sweats that treat it like it's esports. And it far outweighs the casual population.

I think this is only partially true, though I do not disagree there are tons of sweatlord towerhumpers. And sadly, I don't think ESO can ever get the population back that has left over the huge missteps of the past 4 years.
But the rest of the currently remaining population just wants to sit on siege (so I'd argue that they are non-pvpers). Sieging as "PVP". What a freaking joke.
And in Vengeance, siege is ridiculously overpowered.

Personally, I am pro-GH. That said, my small man group did decide to go try out Vengeance since there were the 5 piece set bonus actives.
We were on AD, and all the faction wanted to do was avoid Blue and Red, and PVdoor.

If AD met any resistance past maybe 2 or 3 oilers, they went somewhere else (after they were wiped, while never even getting off their siege). It was truly a pathetic to watch, and we laughed many a time at someone getting steamrolled because they deemed slowing rotating their meatbag or oil and left clicking would do infinitely more damage than they would do themselves. Even though the whole point (allegedly) of Vengeance is the "level playing field". What a joke, and what a complete farce.

I will easily grant that this iteration of Vengeance is worlds better than any other iteration of Vengeance I have participated in. But it was still a miserable experience. Still a siege fest. Still a zerg fest. Having skill and a modicum of coordination means nothing verses one guy dropping oils. You could legitimately halve the amount of damage siege does and I think it would still be overpowered beyond belief.

If all the PVP experience has to offer is a giant zerg and siege (as opposed to coordination, game knowledge and understanding, skill expression, and build variety) seriously, what is the point?

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The problem with eso pvp right now isn't the fact that it is filled with "non-pvpers". The problem is that it is filled with predominately pvp-focused sweats that treat it like it's esports. And it far outweighs the casual population.

I think this is only partially true, though I do not disagree there are tons of sweatlord towerhumpers. And sadly, I don't think ESO can ever get the population back that has left over the huge missteps of the past 4 years.
But the rest of the currently remaining population just wants to sit on siege (so I'd argue that they are non-pvpers). Sieging as "PVP". What a freaking joke.
And in Vengeance, siege is ridiculously overpowered.

Personally, I am pro-GH. That said, my small man group did decide to go try out Vengeance since there were the 5 piece set bonus actives.
We were on AD, and all the faction wanted to do was avoid Blue and Red, and PVdoor.

If AD met any resistance past maybe 2 or 3 oilers, they went somewhere else (after they were wiped, while never even getting off their siege). It was truly a pathetic to watch, and we laughed many a time at someone getting steamrolled because they deemed slowing rotating their meatbag or oil and left clicking would do infinitely more damage than they would do themselves. Even though the whole point (allegedly) of Vengeance is the "level playing field". What a joke, and what a complete farce.

I will easily grant that this iteration of Vengeance is worlds better than any other iteration of Vengeance I have participated in. But it was still a miserable experience. Still a siege fest. Still a zerg fest. Having skill and a modicum of coordination means nothing verses one guy dropping oils. You could legitimately halve the amount of damage siege does and I think it would still be overpowered beyond belief.

If all the PVP experience has to offer is a giant zerg and siege (as opposed to coordination, game knowledge and understanding, skill expression, and build variety) seriously, what is the point?

Makes fun of new players who contribute using siege, but somehow not good enough to storm into enemy groups with 5 players in comms. I guess if you have issues with the skill level of your fellow players, you can find more fulfilling duels and fights with veterans in Gray Host, surely.

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

The problem with eso pvp right now isn't the fact that it is filled with "non-pvpers". The problem is that it is filled with predominately pvp-focused sweats that treat it like it's esports. And it far outweighs the casual population.

I think this is only partially true, though I do not disagree there are tons of sweatlord towerhumpers. And sadly, I don't think ESO can ever get the population back that has left over the huge missteps of the past 4 years.
But the rest of the currently remaining population just wants to sit on siege (so I'd argue that they are non-pvpers). Sieging as "PVP". What a freaking joke.
And in Vengeance, siege is ridiculously overpowered.

Personally, I am pro-GH. That said, my small man group did decide to go try out Vengeance since there were the 5 piece set bonus actives.
We were on AD, and all the faction wanted to do was avoid Blue and Red, and PVdoor.

If AD met any resistance past maybe 2 or 3 oilers, they went somewhere else (after they were wiped, while never even getting off their siege). It was truly a pathetic to watch, and we laughed many a time at someone getting steamrolled because they deemed slowing rotating their meatbag or oil and left clicking would do infinitely more damage than they would do themselves. Even though the whole point (allegedly) of Vengeance is the "level playing field". What a joke, and what a complete farce.

I will easily grant that this iteration of Vengeance is worlds better than any other iteration of Vengeance I have participated in. But it was still a miserable experience. Still a siege fest. Still a zerg fest. Having skill and a modicum of coordination means nothing verses one guy dropping oils. You could legitimately halve the amount of damage siege does and I think it would still be overpowered beyond belief.

If all the PVP experience has to offer is a giant zerg and siege (as opposed to coordination, game knowledge and understanding, skill expression, and build variety) seriously, what is the point?

Literally every faction does that. DC and EP ballgroups never fight each other unless there's like real bad blood between the groups or one of them is close to emping. Otherwise, they opt to just run over any AD players, a single one or group than to fight each other. They also abandon north often unless one of the factions have less pop, outside that, they are almost always in AD tri keeps.