DKs are so balanced.
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Its time to tune down those DKs
Before you start defending and commenting on my build. I run pariah and have 2600 crit resist.
Edited by gammelscroll on 30 June 2026 16:54 Before you start defending and commenting on my build. I run pariah and have 2600 crit resist.
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As a nightblade main no I disagree I quite like having my hairline pushed back by dks lol0
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gammelscroll✭✭✭rlindsey912nub18_ESO wrote: »As a nightblade main no I disagree I quite like having my hairline pushed back by dks lol
Cant post pictures here lol was the whole point with the post1 -
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✭I haven't really played much in the last couple of months but I wanted to chime in that 2600 crit resists is nothing these days. I run about 4.2k and still feel the sting. And it's no wonder. My Wardens easily reach 135% to 155% crit damage. I'm also not so keen on armor stacking, personally. That one is a little more subjective, but I find that speed beats armor in terms of defense any day of the week. And percentage-based damage reductions that can't be reduced are far stronger. Again, as an example, my Wardens can easily reach 20k-25k pen during a burst scenario and if I give up a little of that crit I can go anywhere from 30k-100k pen (100k being Corrosive from the DK skill).
That being said, I do agree that DKs are a tad... overtuned in some areas. Specifically I don't know why they decided that Flame Lash should become an AoE when procced. I mean, it already hits like a truck AND has a hefty heal attached to it. Procs a bunch of status effects and passives as well. Why make it an AoE on top of all of that? It's nice for PvE but way too strong for PvP. I also think their sustain is far too strong given that you can get a percentage of your total back at the press of a button. Coag is pretty overloaded. I do like the idea that DKs should be the best-in-class when stacking weapon damage but only in isolation. When you put that on top of the raw power of their whips and sustain then it becomes overbearing. Just for the record. I love my DKs and am very happy to see them in the limelight again. They are my main characters to play. But even I have to admit some of this is way outta whack.
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gammelscroll✭✭✭I haven't really played much in the last couple of months but I wanted to chime in that 2600 crit resists is nothing these days. I run about 4.2k and still feel the sting. And it's no wonder. My Wardens easily reach 135% to 155% crit damage. I'm also not so keen on armor stacking, personally. That one is a little more subjective, but I find that speed beats armor in terms of defense any day of the week. And percentage-based damage reductions that can't be reduced are far stronger. Again, as an example, my Wardens can easily reach 20k-25k pen during a burst scenario and if I give up a little of that crit I can go anywhere from 30k-100k pen (100k being Corrosive from the DK skill).
That being said, I do agree that DKs are a tad... overtuned in some areas. Specifically I don't know why they decided that Flame Lash should become an AoE when procced. I mean, it already hits like a truck AND has a hefty heal attached to it. Procs a bunch of status effects and passives as well. Why make it an AoE on top of all of that? It's nice for PvE but way too strong for PvP. I also think their sustain is far too strong given that you can get a percentage of your total back at the press of a button. Coag is pretty overloaded. I do like the idea that DKs should be the best-in-class when stacking weapon damage but only in isolation. When you put that on top of the raw power of their whips and sustain then it becomes overbearing. Just for the record. I love my DKs and am very happy to see them in the limelight again. They are my main characters to play. But even I have to admit some of this is way outta whack.
Yes. I dont want them nerfed to the ground But some tuning needs to be done. Heart of flame is to much. Infinite sustain..And those flame whip tooltip is a tad bit high.
When you are unkillable with 3 players on you, you shouldnt be able to hit for 15k whip, and 15k take flight in 1 sek. I couldnt post pictures here . But this was with pariah set and 2600 plus plus crit resist2 -
Nordstern✭✭✭Dont complain about dks if you are running 2.6k crit resist. Thats just too low, especially if you don't have strong additional mitigation. Mitigation. Not resistance. Resistance is useless against corrosive.0
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gammelscroll✭✭✭Dont complain about dks if you are running 2.6k crit resist. Thats just too low, especially if you don't have strong additional mitigation. Mitigation. Not resistance. Resistance is useless against corrosive.
Everything is useless against corrosive background dmg . DKs need a nerf3 -
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✭✭✭✭They didn't do enough, DK should be dragon shaped and the grass should burn under their feetsies. RawrFan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Luneca✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Dont complain about dks if you are running 2.6k crit resist. Thats just too low, especially if you don't have strong additional mitigation. Mitigation. Not resistance. Resistance is useless against corrosive.
Everything is useless against corrosive background dmg . DKs need a nerf
Corrosive really needs to be an offense-only ult. That's the true fix, and one ZOS has continued to avoid doing for years. But watch the DKs come out and say that it shouldn't be the case that Magma Shell gives defense only, Corrosive gives offense.
If that changed happened, it wouldn't outright nerf DKs that don't crutch on the ult. But it would cause the damage that some of these DKs on tank builds do without fearing death.
In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
Now, HP is stacked so high that 6% damage is around 4+ DoTs damage on builds MEANT to do DoT damage. And DKs got rewoked to have an HoT on top of an HP scaling heal (Green Dragon Blood). And on top of that, most DoTs get cut by wings.
So, what initially balanced the skill in the past up until ~2018-2019 in the game, no longer exists. But the skill hasn't been changed.
And whenever things start to appear that threaten the ability to use Corrosive, you have streamers come out and pretend that they aren't protecting their cheese and arguing against the counter for corrosive and other builds when they start complaining that "DoTs are oppressive" when they are talking about having over 12 DoTs eating their HP while they have corrosive on and calling that unfair pressure, despite the fact that those 12 DoTs still aren't killing them.
It's that kind of activity and behavior that makes the game's PvP terrible and the balance suck. It's exactly why I just fire siege.2 -
Chase0351✭✭✭They have Addons that tell you when to roll dodge fossilize right before it hits. They also have Addons that notify you when corrosive is active and flash “block” real big on your screen. The Addon tells you how to beat corrosive, block. You can also block leap as most good players already do. They have legal Addons that notify you of combat mechanics instead of you learning these visual queues on your own. What else do you need to combat dk’s? I can only speak on my experience from my server but dk’s are not a problem there.1
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Chase0351✭✭✭In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
It’s actually easier to kill dk’s in corrosive now more than ever. Even at 40k health you can’t face tank damage from good players. And anyone can eat damage from zerglings and siegelings. No x clips are made fighting good players because they wouldn’t be very long. Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.1 -
Usureki✭✭✭They have Addons that tell you when to roll dodge fossilize right before it hits. They also have Addons that notify you when corrosive is active and flash “block” real big on your screen. The Addon tells you how to beat corrosive, block. You can also block leap as most good players already do. They have legal Addons that notify you of combat mechanics instead of you learning these visual queues on your own. What else do you need to combat dk’s? I can only speak on my experience from my server but dk’s are not a problem there.
Your reasoning is quite funny. You point out, that the modding community literally had to make these mods in order to have everybody else stand a chance against a single class. Bravo, you've just made an other reason on the long list how DKs are ridiculously overpowered.1 -
Usureki✭✭✭Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
"DK is ulti is not OP, you just have to not fight them during their ulti, or you are dead."
It's not an easy task btw, considering the amount of distance closing abilities we have in ESO and also don't get me started with the amounts of snares and powerful CCs the DK have.Edited by Usureki on 1 July 2026 05:341 -
Nordstern✭✭✭They have Addons that tell you when to roll dodge fossilize right before it hits. They also have Addons that notify you when corrosive is active and flash “block” real big on your screen. The Addon tells you how to beat corrosive, block. You can also block leap as most good players already do. They have legal Addons that notify you of combat mechanics instead of you learning these visual queues on your own. What else do you need to combat dk’s? I can only speak on my experience from my server but dk’s are not a problem there.
These addons shouldnt be legal at all. Corrosive should be nerfed tho, shouldnt be both offensive and defensive.0 -
hoangdz✭✭✭✭✭In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
It’s actually easier to kill dk’s in corrosive now more than ever. Even at 40k health you can’t face tank damage from good players. And anyone can eat damage from zerglings and siegelings. No x clips are made fighting good players because they wouldn’t be very long. Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
Okay I'll have to fact check you here.
1) Most good players don't fight each other unless there's prior beef. They would rather farm pugs instead.
2) Post Signet nerf, DK has reclaimed the throne as the most broken class in the game.
I get it you love your DK but you sound too biased. I also play my DK in Cyrodiil and I have friends who do so as well and they are all saying that the class is broken. You can't really convince people otherwise with your "cyrodiil experience" when ours don't match yours, and we play on PC NA which has a higher population and more good players (due to console transfers).
The only reason we are tolerating this state of DK is because of the promised reworks. You can rest assured knowing that if the reworks don't deliver, we are going to push for more nerfs to your class.Edited by hoangdz on 1 July 2026 06:481 -
JohnRingo✭✭✭In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
It’s actually easier to kill dk’s in corrosive now more than ever. Even at 40k health you can’t face tank damage from good players. And anyone can eat damage from zerglings and siegelings. No x clips are made fighting good players because they wouldn’t be very long. Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
Okay I'll have to fact check you here.
1) Most good players don't fight each other unless there's prior beef. They would rather farm pugs instead.
2) Post Signet nerf, DK has reclaimed the throne as the most broken class in the game.
I get it you love your DK but you sound too biased. I also play my DK in Cyrodiil and I have friends who do so as well and they are all saying that the class is broken. You can't really convince people otherwise with your "cyrodiil experience" when ours don't match yours, and we play on PC NA which has a higher population and more good players (due to console transfers).
The only reason we are tolerating this state of DK is because of the promised reworks. You can rest assured knowing that if the reworks don't deliver, we are going to push for more nerfs to your class.
No worries. The Warden0 -
JohnRingo✭✭✭In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
It’s actually easier to kill dk’s in corrosive now more than ever. Even at 40k health you can’t face tank damage from good players. And anyone can eat damage from zerglings and siegelings. No x clips are made fighting good players because they wouldn’t be very long. Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
Okay I'll have to fact check you here.
1) Most good players don't fight each other unless there's prior beef. They would rather farm pugs instead.
2) Post Signet nerf, DK has reclaimed the throne as the most broken class in the game.
I get it you love your DK but you sound too biased. I also play my DK in Cyrodiil and I have friends who do so as well and they are all saying that the class is broken. You can't really convince people otherwise with your "cyrodiil experience" when ours don't match yours, and we play on PC NA which has a higher population and more good players (due to console transfers).
The only reason we are tolerating this state of DK is because of the promised reworks. You can rest assured knowing that if the reworks don't deliver, we are going to push for more nerfs to your class.
No worries. The Warden
Warden will likely soon get the title of "the most broken class in the game," post refresh. And on and on Just a relentless double down on the offensive meta in Cyro. Crazy town.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭In the past you could still kill DKs in corrosive even in a 1v1. If you stacked DoTs, they weren't able to laugh and smash your face in for 10 seconds because they had to heal once it became too "oppressive". But then ZOS over nerfed DoTs after Scalebreaker. And at that point, corrosive became a problem.
It’s actually easier to kill dk’s in corrosive now more than ever. Even at 40k health you can’t face tank damage from good players. And anyone can eat damage from zerglings and siegelings. No x clips are made fighting good players because they wouldn’t be very long. Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
Okay I'll have to fact check you here.
1) Most good players don't fight each other unless there's prior beef. They would rather farm pugs instead.
2) Post Signet nerf, DK has reclaimed the throne as the most broken class in the game.
I get it you love your DK but you sound too biased. I also play my DK in Cyrodiil and I have friends who do so as well and they are all saying that the class is broken. You can't really convince people otherwise with your "cyrodiil experience" when ours don't match yours, and we play on PC NA which has a higher population and more good players (due to console transfers).
The only reason we are tolerating this state of DK is because of the promised reworks. You can rest assured knowing that if the reworks don't deliver, we are going to push for more nerfs to your class.
No worries. The Warden
Warden will likely soon get the title of "the most broken class in the game," post refresh. And on and on Just a relentless double down on the offensive meta in Cyro. Crazy town.
ZOS doing this "trickle content" using classes have put themselves in a spot where they have to make the most recent better than the previous, otherwise engagement won't go up.
Absurd power increases is the content, which is not too different from the old super mythic and nerf cycle, except now we are going to see buffs and nerfs to the classes themselves. This is bad because it means that outlier builds or the "unique" ones that a lot of people might be enjoying will be the ones that get destroyed disproportionally, as always.
With the goal of the developers looking to be to push the endless grind and "endless engagement," it means that it will have to be the case that balance is abandoned at some point in favor of hyping the playerbase, but that abandonment will eventually bring about a large amount of nerfs.
Then they'll have to push out nerfs because too much time will be saved in PvE with the buffs. And that's an issue for their metrics. We all know PvP isn't really that important to them1 -
Bushido2513✭✭✭✭✭They have Addons that tell you when to roll dodge fossilize right before it hits. They also have Addons that notify you when corrosive is active and flash “block” real big on your screen. The Addon tells you how to beat corrosive, block. You can also block leap as most good players already do. They have legal Addons that notify you of combat mechanics instead of you learning these visual queues on your own. What else do you need to combat dk’s? I can only speak on my experience from my server but dk’s are not a problem there.
Your reasoning is quite funny. You point out, that the modding community literally had to make these mods in order to have everybody else stand a chance against a single class. Bravo, you've just made an other reason on the long list how DKs are ridiculously overpowered.
Not exactly the correct way to see this. I'm on console so we don't have this add-on so I've learned to just fight dks and do these things as needed in my rotation. Not saying dk isn't strong but just saying the requirements to fight and counter one aren't completely unreasonable.
If I had to say anything, it's the dk forces you to be on point with your gameplay and build but in theory if you are, you should be able to keep up.
I can't think of one class that if properly built and played can't keep up with dk.0 -
Bushido2513✭✭✭✭✭Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
"DK is ulti is not OP, you just have to not fight them during their ulti, or you are dead."
It's not an easy task btw, considering the amount of distance closing abilities we have in ESO and also don't get me started with the amounts of snares and powerful CCs the DK have.
Movement speed in this game is at an all time free for all so anyone can get away from a dk if they are built to move and cc.
But ok what properly built ult is anyone face tanking? If the build is good and played decently then you need to move out of the ultimate and reset the fight. This ultimate has a timer so yes that's how long you need to kite it.
This is the same reason overloads and incaps get the roll dodge. If your not ducking strong ults you're probably not surviving long.
Would you prefer that a well built dk goes into a corrosive and you can just stand there and take it??? I don't even play dk and I'd be upset about that.
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Usureki✭✭✭Bushido2513 wrote: »Also, when someone is in corrosive just kite for 10 seconds until their ult is gone.
"DK is ulti is not OP, you just have to not fight them during their ulti, or you are dead."
It's not an easy task btw, considering the amount of distance closing abilities we have in ESO and also don't get me started with the amounts of snares and powerful CCs the DK have.
Movement speed in this game is at an all time free for all so anyone can get away from a dk if they are built to move and cc.
But ok what properly built ult is anyone face tanking? If the build is good and played decently then you need to move out of the ultimate and reset the fight. This ultimate has a timer so yes that's how long you need to kite it.
This is the same reason overloads and incaps get the roll dodge. If your not ducking strong ults you're probably not surviving long.
Would you prefer that a well built dk goes into a corrosive and you can just stand there and take it??? I don't even play dk and I'd be upset about that.
DKs have snares, immobilize, leap and fossilize to counter kiting. DKs are facetanking my ultis, as I've described here. I'm upset.Bushido2513 wrote: »I can't think of one class that if properly built and played can't keep up with dk.
I humbly invite you to try arcanist and beat a dk in pvp. Good luck.
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Goregram1✭✭✭Maybe they will do something in a few years if the game isn't put into maintenance mode lol. good luck let me know when they balance things then maybe ill come back0 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭Just watched a DK outheal 3 Werewolf's... And the kill them 1by1 in take flight power lash combo.... So balanced.
I quiet this game too. Cant be arsed when 80% of player base is DK morons1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Just watched a DK outheal 3 Werewolf's... And the kill them 1by1 in take flight power lash combo.... So balanced.
I quiet this game too. Cant be arsed when 80% of player base is DK morons
Maybe the 3 WWs should have been actual offensive builds instead of built to tank 99% of Cyrodiil while being able to kill them?
DK is strong, but let's not pretend that WW isn't. Both also have nearly every person playing them running defense and using a defensive window before moving to a burst window -- because both have the same exact balance issue: free damage, free passives that boost it, easy sustain, HP% healing, etc.
Never seen most of the DK/WW players rolling or blocking tbh. They literally don't need to do part of the game's combat mechanics and people keep pretending it's balanced. At least Sorcs still roll and have to use Streak and its other morph.
If 3 WWs lost, don't know what to tell them besides that they need to examine their build. Especially given that WW is one of the few things on equal footing with DK.2 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Just watched a DK outheal 3 Werewolf's... And the kill them 1by1 in take flight power lash combo.... So balanced.
I quiet this game too. Cant be arsed when 80% of player base is DK morons
Maybe the 3 WWs should have been actual offensive builds instead of built to tank 99% of Cyrodiil while being able to kill them?
DK is strong, but let's not pretend that WW isn't. Both also have nearly every person playing them running defense and using a defensive window before moving to a burst window -- because both have the same exact balance issue: free damage, free passives that boost it, easy sustain, HP% healing, etc.
Never seen most of the DK/WW players rolling or blocking tbh. They literally don't need to do part of the game's combat mechanics and people keep pretending it's balanced. At least Sorcs still roll and have to use Streak and its other morph.
If 3 WWs lost, don't know what to tell them besides that they need to examine their build. Especially given that WW is one of the few things on equal footing with DK.
If you dont block, you get one shotted. I forgot to block for 1 sec and got hit by 22k take flight and 25k power lash. Enough to wipe 99% of cyrodil.
But hey, like streamer seekar said: if you get hit by that by a dk its a skill issue.... And the winner for highest IQ goes too....1
