Frustrating experience with new furnishing plans drops

kind_hero · June 11

I have been doing the Summerset dailies on multiple chars and haven't got only one of the new furnishing plans so far.

MMOs are grindy, but adding new furnishing plans in the loot table is not really new content. I have done this dailies for countless times when Summerset was launched, and for Culanda each time I needed some Alinor furnishings (often), and when there was a 2x drops event. It has been years since I am doing them, so, I am quite bored to do these yet again for some very elusive new drops! I would have appreciated some new activities or even dailies with some new objectives to reward these furnishings. For example, why can't a daily crafting writ completed in Alinor, award furnishing plans? And by the way, these furnishings are over 7 years late, like the Sunport stuff.

An other issue is how empty Summerset is. There are hardly any players doing these world bosses, even in the evenings. This has been the case with other old content where some new motif or furnishing plans were added to make people play that content. Unless there is a double drop period or event, the population is low in these areas. Besides, this evening I have been disconnected two times from the game, once while fighting and once while just traveling.

In the end of my post, I just want to say there should be more ways for people to obtain what they want in game. There are all sorts of old and new currencies which have very limited or specific use. Some people don't care for flashy mounts, and thus have thousands of seals, others have thousands of keys, tons of telvar, now we have bars and so on. There is no official way to convert crowns to gold, or to convert any other currency into gold, or just use it to buy/obtain the things you are after (items which might remain bound, I am fine with that). For example, why PvPers can't buy a house with AP, which many of them have in the millions or more? I have a few hours to play, and I want during that time to enjoy my time, not to chase a goal by doing something that is not fun or rewarding to me, so in the end that playtime window is wasted. This topic has been brought up often by players complaining of fragmented leads put behind unrewarding dull grinds. I am not asking to make things easy, I am asking to make things fun and rewarding, by giving players more choices on how they play the game.

Munkfist · June 11

Thankfully, the furnishing plans aren't bound and can be bought with gold. People that enjoy the grind and chase will often list their extras. This is a very viable option and another route for those that don't feel the effort is worth the reward.

tom6143346 · June 13

Are this new plans even dropping as intended? I did a lot world boss quests and get 0 plans . With the last new plans in solstice , the drops rate was a bit better ? Pleas clarify @ZOS_Kevin

BretonMage · June 13

I have not found any of the new Breton furnishing plans either. The drop rates for both need to be increased imo.

katanagirl1 · June 13

Munkfist wrote: »

Thankfully, the furnishing plans aren't bound and can be bought with gold. People that enjoy the grind and chase will often list their extras. This is a very viable option and another route for those that don't feel the effort is worth the reward.

I’ve always been willing to make the effort up until recently. The way RNG works in this game is that some people have good luck all the time and some can have bad luck and no amount of effort will bring results. This needs to be examined.

Aylish · June 13

My drop rate is roughly 5%. I prepared 60 days of daily coffers (so 120 total) on my main to open at day 1 and only 7 plans dropped with 3x the same plan.
All the dailies I did this week rewarded nothing.

It‘s really frustrating.

tom6143346 · June 14

@ZOS_Kevin can you please take a look at this and give us a feedback . Thank you

KwamaEggMine · June 14

tom6143346 wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin can you please take a look at this and give us a feedback . Thank you

It’s true that if they’re too easy to find, they don’t feel very rewarding, but as things stand now, they’re EXTREMELY HARD to find. I’d appreciate the team consideration of this matter.

tom6143346 · June 14

KwamaEggMine wrote: »

tom6143346 wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin can you please take a look at this and give us a feedback . Thank you

It’s true that if they’re too easy to find, they don’t feel very rewarding, but as things stand now, they’re EXTREMELY HARD to find. I’d appreciate the team consideration of this matter.

Yeah there needs to be a middleground. As I said before the solstice one where not to easy to get but not to bad as well. That problem is in game for Ever , and even worse when it gets to leads via chests. Especially since the rng was was bad for some players time after time. It’s frustrating, and nobody wants to play a frustrating game for very long.

MissNoir · June 14

40 boxes opened today gave a total of two of the same furnishing plan. And to top it off it was one of the few plans I already knew.

tom6143346 · June 14

MissNoir wrote: »

40 boxes opened today gave a total of two of the same furnishing plan. And to top it off it was one of the few plans I already knew.

That’s ruffle my experience round about every 20 - 25 boxes one plan if your lucky
Edit: 32 boxes opened 0 blueprints

kind_hero · June 19

Since I made this post, I got about 3-4 plans, doing the quests on 3 chars. One day I got really frustrated and cut down to 2 chars. As I said, I have done this content A LOT in the past, I almost hate it. One of the issues for me is that aside from new drops, there is no new content layer. I don't consider the veteran difficulty (a numbers thing) as new content. These are just the same 8 years old dailies on repeat.

TBH, I am fine with Summerset, it's a great zone, there are plenty of new players who haven't experienced it yet. But as I was saying in the beginning, I can't get these plans from other activities or with other currencies.

I see an improvement with these new tome pages, but the issue here is that housing really exploded over the years in this huge system, and not everything tied to housing evolved in the same pace. For example drop rates for materials or style materials like Ancient Sandstone. There are tons of new furnishing plans with odd drop rates. In my experience, I have to wait about 2 years to afford completing the list of furnishings I want from a new content release, like the Colovian stuff or Sunport. During this time I gather all sort of currencies which do nothing for me, and so I tend to play very little, instead of tailoring a game experience for my own goals. So, this post wasn't only about the drop rate, which I am sure, it is intended. As a housing focused player, I totally dislike this.

ESO_player123 · June 19

The drop rate if awful for both new Summerset and Glenumbra plans. @ZOS_Kevin, could we please get an insight form whoever approved these why they thought it would be fun for the players? Even in the latest zones where the content was new for everyone the drop rate was better.

James-Wayne · June 19

Totally agree! We need new ways to source furniture plans, the weekly IA just isn't enough with the volume of plans available

Gabriel_H · June 19

I really wish they'd stop doing this. They do it on new content releases too. Usually within 30 - 60 days of a new zone releasing they'll then add new furnishing plans to daily coffers.

Most players have moved on by then, and returned to the "normal" grind for other things. Those who want the plans usually run in pre-made groups, and are in and out in minutes, so it's not even populating the zone in a meaningful way.

aza_sel · June 21

the drop rate for furnishing plans, both breton and high elf is incredible low

ArkadiaReaper · June 21

If the new glenumbra plans would drop at anything near the rate of the base game plans in the same zone I would be thrilled. I have gotten dozens of plans across every rarity since release and not one new. Summerset isn't much better, one new plan in two weeks. Please ZOS, fine tune this a bit.

anadandy · June 22

I have pulled two of the new Breton plans (new hutch and trunk) from Hidden Treasure Bags (Mirri's perk), so I started looting Treasure chests as well as containers.

agelonestar · June 22

I totally agree with the OP.

I've completed a whole wagon-load of Summerset dailies - often solo as the place is NOT buzzing - and I have dropped a single new furnishing plan. I have also picked pockets like it's going out of fashion in Glenumbra, and not dropped a single thing.

I know these plans can be bought at Guild Traders, but the scarcity means they're still at hundreds of thousands, or even millions, for a single plan (PC/EU).

There's grind, and then there's ESO grind. Is this instead of new content?

Dojohoda · June 22

Yup, Summerset new housing plans, seems like the drop rate is: 0.00000001. Is it broken or what?

code65536 · June 22

After 160 boxes, I had gotten a grand total of 6 green plans (of which 2 were dupes) and 1 blue plan.

Yea, no thanks. With a drop rate this bad, it ain't worth it.

Dalsinthus · June 22

I'm leaning more and more towards buying and then doing something more fun to refarm gold. I wish they'd calibrate these drops to be a bit more player friendly.

I've done the Summerset quests on 3 characters for 10 days now and have 5 total drops (1 green, 3 blue one of them a duplicate, and one purple).

Does anyone have advice on a good place to farm in Glenumbra?

kind_hero · June 24

Thanks for the feedback!

Maybe I was lucky in the beginning, since I got one plan quickly, but after that the experience was very poor. Especially when I got the same green plan twice. I got a blue one and that's it... Meanwhile, I think I got most of the pages for the Sapiarch motif which I completed years ago, and it's worth almost nothing now.

Looking at this, is like at ESO there are two dev teams: one trying to overhaul and improve things, and a "gremlin" team, adding leads and furnishing plans at very low drop rates. Do you remember that lead which dropped from Deadlands from those hard to find watchlings?

KwamaEggMine · June 24

I hope the team will realize and correct drop rates.

It’s fine to pay a high price for plans.
However, the problem is that these plans aren’t even available on the guildstore in the first place.

Until now, whenever a new chapter was released, players who got their hands on it first would list it on the guildstore, and ESO economy would become very lively as others bought them. ESO housing and farming plans are quite important for both making gold and collecting items.

If you’re looking to strike it rich, you can just steal Alinor mirror or go searching Vvardenfell arts. These are exactly rare, so it is okay.

KwamaEggMine · June 24

New Furnishings
In this update We’ve mostly focused on new structural furnishing recipes, but there’s plenty of other furnishings to try out as well!
46 new furnishing plans are being sourced in 2 locations:
29 can be found across the Glenumbra Zone.
17 new structural furnishing plans, which can be acquired via the Summerset Reward Coffer, obtainable by completing the Summerset World Boss, or Delve Daily Quests.
15 new furnishings can be purchased from Rohzika, Home Goods Furnisher vendor, in the Rosy Lion Inn located in Daggerfall City.
13 new furnishings can be pickpocketed from NPCs across Glenumbra.
7 new achievement furnishings are being added and can be purchased after completing the prerequisite achievements from Lozotusk, Achievement Furnisher vendor, in the Rosy Lion Inn located in Daggerfall City.
5 new furnishings can be earned from Antiquity Leads in Glenumbra, including a new Armory Station!

“Birdhouse, Small Red”
I heard it was only available in Glenumbra zone, but I got it within Broken Light Temple.

What’s going on? I don’t know what the actual distribution is.

ESO_player123 · June 24

KwamaEggMine wrote: »

New Furnishings
In this update We’ve mostly focused on new structural furnishing recipes, but there’s plenty of other furnishings to try out as well!
46 new furnishing plans are being sourced in 2 locations:
29 can be found across the Glenumbra Zone.
17 new structural furnishing plans, which can be acquired via the Summerset Reward Coffer, obtainable by completing the Summerset World Boss, or Delve Daily Quests.
15 new furnishings can be purchased from Rohzika, Home Goods Furnisher vendor, in the Rosy Lion Inn located in Daggerfall City.
13 new furnishings can be pickpocketed from NPCs across Glenumbra.
7 new achievement furnishings are being added and can be purchased after completing the prerequisite achievements from Lozotusk, Achievement Furnisher vendor, in the Rosy Lion Inn located in Daggerfall City.
5 new furnishings can be earned from Antiquity Leads in Glenumbra, including a new Armory Station!

“Birdhouse, Small Red”
I heard it was only available in Glenumbra zone, but I got it within Broken Light Temple.

What’s going on? I don’t know what the actual distribution is.

Despite the news article people have been reporting on the forum that some of the furnishings can be sourced outside of Glenumbra (the birdhouses and at least one of the new mushroom planters). I assume that more general furnishings from the lot can indeed be farmed "across Tamriel" like it's the case with art supplies (brushes and such) and previous birdhouses. I wish I have not spend all of the time in Glenumbra when there are much better places to farm for these items.

kind_hero · June 24

KwamaEggMine wrote: »

I hope the team will realize and correct drop rates.

It’s fine to pay a high price for plans.
However, the problem is that these plans aren’t even available on the guildstore in the first place.

Until now, whenever a new chapter was released, players who got their hands on it first would list it on the guildstore, and ESO economy would become very lively as others bought them. ESO housing and farming plans are quite important for both making gold and collecting items.

If you’re looking to strike it rich, you can just steal Alinor mirror or go searching Vvardenfell arts. These are exactly rare, so it is okay.

Not sure how "fine" is to pay a high price for plans. Reason being it's not a high end / high reward style item, like a flashy mount or a skin, we are talking about a stone platform or a pillar, similar to other platforms or pillars which can be bought from vendors or with far friendlier drop rates.

There is a lot of talk of bringing similar things on the same page, starting from combat abilities, to buffs, damage and drop rates. In the last stream from June, the devs talked about looking at drop rates from old leads, and making adjustments to match some of the new friendlier drop rates. So, my whole post and replies are towards this direction, or new ways to acquire desired items.

Most people don't touch housing because of how expensive and confusing is its entire ecosystem of crafting and collecting. My hope is to see housing more accessible, by making structural furnishings varied and cheap, and having the more premium items like stained glass, cushioned armchairs, bookshelves etc expensive or as rewards from activities.

Lastly, I get what you are saying about very rare items, like the Vvardenfell triptychs. However, such items take very long to sell, and am already having issues selling even the newly released items. The economy is not so great. I really have to undercut everything, and sell very cheaply to make any gold, in a guild with a very good trader spot. The only thing that sells all the time is Deugh Wax.

KwamaEggMine · June 25

kind_hero wrote: »

KwamaEggMine wrote: »

I hope the team will realize and correct drop rates.

It’s fine to pay a high price for plans.
However, the problem is that these plans aren’t even available on the guildstore in the first place.

Until now, whenever a new chapter was released, players who got their hands on it first would list it on the guildstore, and ESO economy would become very lively as others bought them. ESO housing and farming plans are quite important for both making gold and collecting items.

If you’re looking to strike it rich, you can just steal Alinor mirror or go searching Vvardenfell arts. These are exactly rare, so it is okay.

Not sure how "fine" is to pay a high price for plans. Reason being it's not a high end / high reward style item, like a flashy mount or a skin, we are talking about a stone platform or a pillar, similar to other platforms or pillars which can be bought from vendors or with far friendlier drop rates.

There is a lot of talk of bringing similar things on the same page, starting from combat abilities, to buffs, damage and drop rates. In the last stream from June, the devs talked about looking at drop rates from old leads, and making adjustments to match some of the new friendlier drop rates. So, my whole post and replies are towards this direction, or new ways to acquire desired items.

Most people don't touch housing because of how expensive and confusing is its entire ecosystem of crafting and collecting. My hope is to see housing more accessible, by making structural furnishings varied and cheap, and having the more premium items like stained glass, cushioned armchairs, bookshelves etc expensive or as rewards from activities.

Lastly, I get what you are saying about very rare items, like the Vvardenfell triptychs. However, such items take very long to sell, and am already having issues selling even the newly released items. The economy is not so great. I really have to undercut everything, and sell very cheaply to make any gold, in a guild with a very good trader spot. The only thing that sells all the time is Deugh Wax.

I strongly agree with the idea that ESO housing should become something that can be enjoyed more casually.

Perhaps I didn’t explain myself clearly enough. What I mean is that, if the furnishing plans are already widely available among guild traders, and it’s known where to obtain them (such as documents, folios), if the price is set based on high demand, I personally find that price reasonable and decide to purchase them.

Regarding Vvardenfell art furnishings, I made that comment because I think it works as a form of rare content. There are players looking to strike it rich, and there are players who want to buy those rare items with gold. Players who don’t have that much time to spare buy them with crowns—I think that’s the developers’ intention.

However, what we’re really struggling with this time is the furnishing PLANS. (Vvardenfell rare items might drop more often rather than that.)

Elvenheart · June 25

kind_hero wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback!

Maybe I was lucky in the beginning, since I got one plan quickly, but after that the experience was very poor. Especially when I got the same green plan twice. I got a blue one and that's it... Meanwhile, I think I got most of the pages for the Sapiarch motif which I completed years ago, and it's worth almost nothing now.

Looking at this, is like at ESO there are two dev teams: one trying to overhaul and improve things, and a "gremlin" team, adding leads and furnishing plans at very low drop rates. Do you remember that lead which dropped from Deadlands from those hard to find watchlings?

I love this “gremlin” team idea! I can actually clearly see them in my mind making these decisions and laughing! 🤣

allochthons · June 25

I've gotten maybe 4-5 plans from the Summerset dailies. Usually doing them on multiple characters a day.
Haven't gotten a single Breton plan from Glenumbra, despite lots of farming.

I have gotten a birdhouse, but not in Glenumbra. I suspect that any of the new ones with "Breton" in the name are limited to Glenumbra, and the rest (bird houses, mushroom barrels, etc) are Tamriel-wide.

I've starting buying them, too. The drop rate is too low to make it worth farming.

BretonMage · June 25

There was another thread where someone lamented that furnishing plans didn't have noticeably higher drop rates in their zones, and I think it's an extremely valid point. Story-wise it makes much more sense that more of a certain type of furnishing and its associated plan is found in their own zone. And gameplay-wise it would make plans actually farmable, rather than the extreme randomness that we get now.

For me the way the Colovian plans dropped made the most sense, where some dropped in the dailies boxes at a reasonable rate, and others were farmable in-zone.