hard facts about wizards wardrobe breaking the add-on terms and CoC

heimdall14_9 · May 11

@ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_Hadeostry @ZOS_Finn

Add-on Terms of Use 1 (iii) undue or unfair burden to the Game, its Services, including customer service support, and/or to other users.
id have to say a disadvantage is a burden on the player
made zos revert UI respec
so it has been and still is a burden on the game development / other players

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

automatic , 2500ms gear , skill , cp change id have to say that gives a BIG DISADVANTAGE in SPEED RUNS and leaderborads of trials
bypasses in game systems that blocks armory use in trials

please dont attack the poster attack the actions being put froth as this aint about my writing style this aint about me using AI , this is about a add-on thats been let to break the rules for away to long

CameraBeardThePirate · May 11

"Hard facts"

Proceeds to post a subjective feeling that OP believes the addon is unfair.

You know what's a hard fact? The addon is available to everyone. Last I checked, something that can be used by everyone is far from "unfair".

Also, as has been said every single time you've ranted about addons on the forums, if ZOS believed it to be unfair they would have done something about it. ZOS is generally very good at removing addon APIs for things they deem to be unfair (Miat's Projectile/Heavy Attack dodge indicator, for example), especially for addons as widely used as WW.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

"Hard facts"

Proceeds to post a subjective feeling that OP believes the addon is unfair.

You know what's a hard fact? The addon is available to everyone. Last I checked, something that can be used by everyone is far from "unfair".

Also, as has been said every single time you've ranted about addons on the forums, if ZOS believed it to be unfair they would have done something about it. ZOS is generally very good at removing addon APIs for things they deem to be unfair (Miat's Projectile/Heavy Attack dodge indicator, for example), especially for addons as widely used as WW.

this aint my believes these are the facts and the add-on terms and CoC that it breaks it being available for all to exploit dont make it any less a exploit that bybasses the rules set froth from ZOS in the ADD-ON TREAMS OF USE AND COC

JavaRen · May 11

OP: why is this important to you? How is this hurting you?

heimdall14_9 · May 11

JavaRen wrote: »

OP: why is this important to you? How is this hurting you?

it became important for me to showcase what this add-on does when it made ZOS/ eso development revert a system they wanted to put into the game that would of been a great help tool ... as an end game player that has done ALL speed runs manually now HAVING to add out-side ADD-ON just to stay in top 100 of leaderboards because of its automatic 2.5 second gear /skill/cp/ change , something even at a players best would take 30+ seconds ( to do 60+ actions ) so 27.5 seconds X 6 ( using a 3 boss fight trial ) = 2.75 minutes of time / points in leaderboards is a big gap in SCORING and placement on leaderboards

Veinblood1965 · May 11

In no way trying to be rude in case it's a mis-spelled word, but what is a Tream? I've not seen that word before.

As for the post, it's pretty much the same in many venues when you want to stay on top with add-ons being part of the game more than it used to. PvP for example. Someone using an add on will be able to out cast many who do not, same as using moded controllers used to do. Is there a reason you couldn't use the same add on?

heimdall14_9 · May 11

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

In no way trying to be rude in case it's a mis-spelled word, but what is a Tream? I've not seen that word before.

As for the post, it's pretty much the same in many venues when you want to stay on top with add-ons being part of the game more than it used to. PvP for example. Someone using an add on will be able to out cast many who do not, same as using moded controllers used to do. Is there a reason you couldn't use the same add on?

thank you for pointing out misspelling not attacking over it ( i would be using AI to help that but i didnt want another post to be attacked only due to AI use

thats the thing ZOS with its ToS, ADD-ON TERMS AND COC put rules in place to prevent add-ons being mandatory

JavaRen · May 11

There are many areas of this game where you cannot keep up with others who use the appropriate addon if you do not. This is just true. Does that make using those addons an exploit? Should TTC be banned because it gives traders who use it an edge? How about Code's Combat Alerts, or Lazy Writ Crafter? Where is/ should the line be?

Dack_Janiels · May 11

I think there’s some misunderstanding here about what ZOS actually considers automation or a violation of the Terms of Use.

I’ve spoken directly with ZOS staff about this topic, and the guidance is very clear:

Automating gameplay actions (combat, movement, minigames, etc.) is not allowed.
Menu navigation is not considered gameplay, and streamlining it is allowed.
Addons may guide the player, but they cannot control gameplay.

Changing gear, skills, CP, or armory builds falls entirely under menu navigation, not gameplay automation. It doesn’t perform combat actions, it doesn’t move the character, and it doesn’t bypass any gameplay mechanics. It simply speeds up UI interactions the player could already do manually.

Nothing in the addon forces actions during combat, plays the game for the user, or interacts with restricted systems like Tribute, Antiquities, or lockpicking. Those are the actual categories ZOS flags as botting.

As for “bypassing armory restrictions,” the addon isn’t doing that. It’s using the same API functions available to every addon and every player. If ZOS wanted to block it, they would disable the API call — just like they’ve done in the past with other functions.

Speedrun leaderboards are not affected by UI automation. They are affected by combat performance, mechanics execution, and group coordination — none of which addons can automate.

This isn’t about attacking anyone. It’s just important to separate:

Actual gameplay automation (not allowed)
from
UI convenience (allowed and explicitly acknowledged by ZOS)

If ZOS ever changes their stance, addon authors will adapt. But based on the current guidance from the developers themselves, these addons are operating within the rules.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

Dack_Janiels wrote: »

I think there’s some misunderstanding here about what ZOS actually considers automation or a violation of the Terms of Use.

I’ve spoken directly with ZOS staff about this topic, and the guidance is very clear:
Automating gameplay actions (combat, movement, minigames, etc.) is not allowed.

Menu navigation is not considered gameplay, and streamlining it is allowed.

Addons may guide the player, but they cannot control gameplay.

Changing gear, skills, CP, or armory builds falls entirely under menu navigation, not gameplay automation. It doesn’t perform combat actions, it doesn’t move the character, and it doesn’t bypass any gameplay mechanics. It simply speeds up UI interactions the player could already do manually.

Nothing in the addon forces actions during combat, plays the game for the user, or interacts with restricted systems like Tribute, Antiquities, or lockpicking. Those are the actual categories ZOS flags as botting.

As for “bypassing armory restrictions,” the addon isn’t doing that. It’s using the same API functions available to every addon and every player. If ZOS wanted to block it, they would disable the API call — just like they’ve done in the past with other functions.

Speedrun leaderboards are not affected by UI automation. They are affected by combat performance, mechanics execution, and group coordination — none of which addons can automate.

This isn’t about attacking anyone. It’s just important to separate:
Actual gameplay automation (not allowed)

from

UI convenience (allowed and explicitly acknowledged by ZOS)

If ZOS ever changes their stance, addon authors will adapt. But based on the current guidance from the developers themselves, these addons are operating within the rules.

Add-on Terms of Use 1 (iii) undue or unfair burden to the Game, its Services, including customer service support, and/or to other users.
Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

both has nothing to do with automatic actions , but still part of the add-on terms and CoC that are 100% being broken by the add-on

o_Primate_o · May 11

time to dump that 360 for a newer console.

code65536 · May 11

You keep using that word "exploit", but I don't think it means what you think it means.

Tallon_IV · May 11

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Dack_Janiels wrote: »

I think there’s some misunderstanding here about what ZOS actually considers automation or a violation of the Terms of Use.

I’ve spoken directly with ZOS staff about this topic, and the guidance is very clear:
Automating gameplay actions (combat, movement, minigames, etc.) is not allowed.

Menu navigation is not considered gameplay, and streamlining it is allowed.

Addons may guide the player, but they cannot control gameplay.

Changing gear, skills, CP, or armory builds falls entirely under menu navigation, not gameplay automation. It doesn’t perform combat actions, it doesn’t move the character, and it doesn’t bypass any gameplay mechanics. It simply speeds up UI interactions the player could already do manually.

Nothing in the addon forces actions during combat, plays the game for the user, or interacts with restricted systems like Tribute, Antiquities, or lockpicking. Those are the actual categories ZOS flags as botting.

As for “bypassing armory restrictions,” the addon isn’t doing that. It’s using the same API functions available to every addon and every player. If ZOS wanted to block it, they would disable the API call — just like they’ve done in the past with other functions.

Speedrun leaderboards are not affected by UI automation. They are affected by combat performance, mechanics execution, and group coordination — none of which addons can automate.

This isn’t about attacking anyone. It’s just important to separate:
Actual gameplay automation (not allowed)

from

UI convenience (allowed and explicitly acknowledged by ZOS)

If ZOS ever changes their stance, addon authors will adapt. But based on the current guidance from the developers themselves, these addons are operating within the rules.

Add-on Terms of Use 1 (iii) undue or unfair burden to the Game, its Services, including customer service support, and/or to other users.
Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

both has nothing to do with automatic actions , but still part of the add-on terms and CoC that are 100% being broken by the add-on

An addon author who has spoken directly to ZOS offered insight and you still double down. You're coming off as incredibly unhinged.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

code65536 wrote: »

You keep using that word "exploit", but I don't think it means what you think it means.

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

i call it a exploit because thats what it is , it gives a undue advantage in LEADERBOARDS and SCORING so by its use is a exploit of both them system's

Orbital78 · May 11

o_Primate_o wrote: »

time to dump that 360 for a newer console.

The addon is free and everyone can use it. If their hardware is a limiter then it is time to upgrade. You will enjoy the game much more as well. The game can actually look pretty nice for how ancient it is, given you have the hardware to turn it up. Even my budget system is getting older but can run fairly high on ultrawide.

JavaRen · May 11

What bug is being exploited?

Maitsukas · May 11

What does glitching out of bounds in a Trial and then avoiding trash packs classify as to you?

heimdall14_9 · May 11

JavaRen wrote: »

What bug is being exploited?

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

its exploiting systems put in place to keep LEADERBOARDS and SCORING fair across the board , same systems that zos uses to block armory and UI respec from trials as its a SCORED activity

o_Primate_o · May 11

Orbital78 wrote: »

o_Primate_o wrote: »

time to dump that 360 for a newer console.

The addon is free and everyone can use it. If their hardware is a limiter then it is time to upgrade. You will enjoy the game much more as well. The game can actually look pretty nice for how ancient it is, given you have the hardware to turn it up. Even my budget system is getting older but can run fairly high on ultrawide.

i thought the addons dont work on older consoles. that's what i was getting at b/c heimdalls beef reeks of jealously not being able to use addons.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

o_Primate_o wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

o_Primate_o wrote: »

time to dump that 360 for a newer console.

The addon is free and everyone can use it. If their hardware is a limiter then it is time to upgrade. You will enjoy the game much more as well. The game can actually look pretty nice for how ancient it is, given you have the hardware to turn it up. Even my budget system is getting older but can run fairly high on ultrawide.

i thought the addons dont work on older consoles. that's what i was getting at b/c heimdalls beef reeks of jealously not being able to use addons.

i have 2 ps5s 2 computers both run eso just fine you cant do anything but insult ME get better and attack the facts put froth not come up with lies 🤥

heimdall14_9 · May 11

Maitsukas wrote: »

What does glitching out of bounds in a Trial and then avoiding trash packs classify as to you?

id see it the same as they did with doing VAS+3 out-side the gates A EXPLOIT

Blood_again · May 11

I wonder how many rounds of windmill fights you need to realize, that companies are pretty serious about their documents like CoC and CoD.
That's not like you revealed here some hidden and horrible truth, and they are like "Oh, we really missed this fact all these years". Nah, it doesn't happen this way.
You'd better be an expert in the area to have a chance. Being a clever dude with a web-search engine is not enough.

This wordplay above is not any kind of hard fact, though. Not even a fun fact.

Orbital78 · May 11

Gear swapping addons are basically as old as light attack weaving at this point. I used one called AlphaGear or something like that and the Wizards but I uninstalled both since I don't care about sweating. Kind of funny but I did install a UI addon because I liked the gear icons from AlphaGear and missed that one aspect.

eashi · May 11

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

its exploiting systems put in place to keep LEADERBOARDS and SCORING fair across the board , same systems that zos uses to block armory and UI respec from trials as its a SCORED activity

No game system is being abused. Nothing is being exploited. The only things gear switcher add-ons allow you to do is quickly change your gear and skills from what is already in your inventory or learned on your character.

Outside of scored content you can use the armory or respec either manually or using an add-on but none of this is allowed in scored content not even through add-ons. Nothing is being abused here.

Also if you want a higher score for leader board stuff I suggest seeking out groups which are doing hard modes as it gives the most score imo. Even better if they are doing them with little to no deaths.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

Orbital78 wrote: »

Gear swapping addons are basically as old as light attack weaving at this point. I used one called AlphaGear or something like that and the Wizards but I uninstalled both since I don't care about sweating. Kind of funny but I did install a UI addon because I liked the gear icons from AlphaGear and missed that one aspect.

ALL ADD-ONS ARE JUST A YEAR OLD ON CONSOLES and ive been fighting for 6 months now to show the harm this one does

Orbital78 · May 11

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Gear swapping addons are basically as old as light attack weaving at this point. I used one called AlphaGear or something like that and the Wizards but I uninstalled both since I don't care about sweating. Kind of funny but I did install a UI addon because I liked the gear icons from AlphaGear and missed that one aspect.

ALL ADD-ONS ARE JUST A YEAR OLD ON CONSOLES and ive been fighting for 6 months now to show the harm this one does

There is no real harm, it just does something which can be done by hand quicker. Everyone can use it if they choose and there is no added advantage other than convenience and time saving. If those are worth it just install the addon(s), simple as that.

Ya'll want crossplay, time to get used to needing to adapt to modern gaming and what PC players have been doing for years. Over here, if you want to run trials you are likely going to have mandatory addon installs and requirements.

kevkj · May 11

OP I believe if you applied yourself correctly the blood, sweat and tears you are willing to give to a cause could achieve something truly revolutionary like peace on earth.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

eashi wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Code of Conduct 5.2 In relation to online/competitive games, you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax game

its exploiting systems put in place to keep LEADERBOARDS and SCORING fair across the board , same systems that zos uses to block armory and UI respec from trials as its a SCORED activity

No game system is being abused. Nothing is being exploited. The only things gear switcher add-ons allow you to do is quickly change your gear and skills from what is already in your inventory or learned on your character.

Outside of scored content you can use the armory or respec either manually or using an add-on but none of this is allowed in scored content not even through add-ons. Nothing is being abused here.

Also if you want a higher score for leader board stuff I suggest seeking out groups which are doing hard modes as it gives the most score imo. Even better if they are doing them with little to no deaths.

wizard's wardrobe is 100% used in places that has leaderboards/ scoring , PVP ,trials, arena's all 3 wizards wardrobe has full use bybassing the armory / UI respc limits while doing so

Morvan · May 11

I love how you're just repeating yourself and ignoring the arguments that contradict every point you have made so far.

M0R_Gaming · May 11

The argument against Wizards/Dressing Room/Alpha Gear is basically the same as saying "Using the inventory to change gear is cheating because some people can change gear faster" lol. (and even then keyboard users would have an advantage due to having a mouse for faster navigation, would addons like GridList and Auto Category then be considered an unfair advantage?)

Zos has stated that simplifying interface actions is not against the terms of service (which covers addons like wizards, lazy writ crafter, set crafter, awesome guild store, etc).
Add-ons that would somehow automate combat would be against TOS, but they are physically impossible, as Zenimax locks down their API to only do what they are fine with.

heimdall14_9 · May 11

Orbital78 wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Gear swapping addons are basically as old as light attack weaving at this point. I used one called AlphaGear or something like that and the Wizards but I uninstalled both since I don't care about sweating. Kind of funny but I did install a UI addon because I liked the gear icons from AlphaGear and missed that one aspect.

ALL ADD-ONS ARE JUST A YEAR OLD ON CONSOLES and ive been fighting for 6 months now to show the harm this one does

There is no real harm, it just does something which can be done by hand quicker. Everyone can use it if they choose and there is no added advantage other than convenience and time saving. If those are worth it just install the addon(s), simple as that.

Ya'll want crossplay, time to get used to needing to adapt to modern gaming and what PC players have been doing for years.

SPEED in SPEED RUNS is a advantage 2.5 seconds to do what it takes the player 30+ seconds ( thats being overly fair on time as its more like 45-60 seconds) is a 2.75 minute difference in getting GODSLAYER or NOT , top times are 27-28 minutes with 30 being the cut off so without side add-on how many groups would have failed not having 2.75 minutes saved