Normal Naj Caldeesh would still be a little difficult to do without a tank, and practically impossible for a group of 4 new DD players.
I don't mind fake tanks, but if I end up in a dungeon where a tank would be nice to have, I need to know who the fake tank is so that I can assign blame and vote-kick.
If the random normal dungeon queue excluded DLC dungeons, then I would support this idea.

Don't forget that new players need roles to learn how group composition works in the game. Just throwing 4 newbies together in a normal run without any composition is a terrible idea.

So you do not want the Dungeon Finder to go, you want the roles to go. Which theoretically I would support for almost all of them, as I am a PvP main and fill all roles anyway. There is just a few exceptions, where I think at least a tank is usefull, Healer not so much, if everyone has Vigor on their bar for example.

I would make it optional in the finder UI. Like this probably.
Players who want to learn the ropes should use the classic roles, I guess.
While fast runners might choose their own way for comfort.

Yes and no, so I voted maybe
4 experienced dds or tank and 3 dds are ok in normal no dlc. As healer I go to random normal with hybrid build half dd-half heal. But in dlc normal I switch to full healer on bosses. Tank is even more important here.

definitely not.

Absolutely not. I have never, not once, ever had a faster PUG experience with a fake tank or fake healer.

Every damn time it's some low DPS, high ego, little idiot screaming "but it's quicker!" Usually either they're dead or the poor level 41 DPS just trying to get their skill point or daily done.

I am however 100% behind another queue for those that want 4 dps/whatever parties. Keep them out of the regular queue. It'd make dungeons a much nicer place for everyone if that side of the toxic PvE community was left to their own devices.

If anything, find a way to enforce the roles, at least in Normal Dlc Dungeons and all Vets. More often than not, you're going to clear something when the correct roles are present.

Solo random dungeons for daily rewards will fix everything, except making player want to improve, build/research class setups, or learn mechanics. Who knows maybe it will teach mechanics too.

Normal dungeons should have template builds or at least less complex builds; it's unfair that sweaty PvE mains rush ahead doing 200k dps and leave normal players in the dust and mess up their quests and such.

No. This would make the speed runner problem even worse. And what if you get 4 lvl 15s?
I've had runs where I was the only player in the dungeon with CP, and have talked both healers and tanks through some of the basics of those roles. I've been both the tank and healer (at the same time) with 3 non-CPs learning what a light attack is while in a random normal.

Despite random normals being used as a speed run transmute farm for many players, they still play an important role for everyone else.

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Normal dungeons should have template builds or at least less complex builds; it's unfair that sweaty PvE mains rush ahead doing 200k dps and leave normal players in the dust and mess up their quests and such.

Vengeance Dungeons? 🤣

For the base-game dungeons at normal difficulty, probably. Most can be solo'd without too much problem and a group of four DDs would either clear them easily or learn that slotting a heal somewhere is usually a good thing. That which does not kill me makes me stronger and soul gems cover the rest. Once you move into DLC normals, that proposition becomes more dicey. Some pretty much need a tank and others are just tough slogs that DDs could handle. Better to err or the side of successful completion by requiring roles for those.

EDIT to add: Fake tanks and healers are not the problem, though. They are a symptom of a dungeon queuing system that needs a lot of work.

I love and respect 'the holy trinity', tank dds and healer.

Since we got the OP Arcanist the group balance in dungeons changed drastically. As a healer myself I see a lot of beamers running ahead of everyone in a dungeon as if they are playing solo. No respect for the tank, no waiting for the newbie who might be picking up their quest. It's a total lack of consideration for anyone else in the group.

There are achievements for no death speed runs and i often wonder if it all started there...players trying to speed run everything.

I don't know what the answer to this is but im old school and i would hate it if all 3 roles became morphed into one solo type build for everyone in group content. Seems like so many players want to change eso into some other game.

As a healer that plays with her tank hubby this post really upsets me cos it makes me feel that we are bejng made redundant. I already encourage my partner ( who recently returned to eso)to hurry up in dungeons when he tanks so the dds dont run ahead of him when we do our random dailies.
We are very grateful for IA and the dungeons we can do together sometimes without other players cos at least we get to enjoy the game without speeding all the time.

I do need to add that there are many considerate players we have been fortunate enough to group with that have been a pleasure to play with. They move at a steady pace and are considerate of others in the group..they allow the tank to do the pulls and dont play as if they are soloing the dungeon.


I cant change people so i adjust, adapt and accept but i do pray that eso doesnt change to the point where it's a game i no longer recognise. Im very dedicated to this game and yes we needed some fresh changes and i have welcomed them all thus far but lets keep the 3 roles as they are thank you.

I'd say no, but more flexibility would be nice--like I'd be perfectly comfortable being able to queue as ANY role and then play the one I'm assigned since I have Armory build saves for them all. I can imagine that could help decrease queue times for everyone so long as people mostly play along with it.

Just let us customize our dungeon groups for the dungeon queue just like we can with the group finder. Then anyone who wants a 4 DPS group can do that, and the players who want the traditional 2 DPS, 1 tank, 1 healer group can do that too.

I think that would solve a lot of speed runner complaints.