Part of the fun of PvE for me is piecing together different builds based on the sets that exist in the game. You can very much run builds with both a Monster Set and a Mythic item at the same time ,you just need to figure out what to give up in exchange.

a Mythic slot would be nice

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

Honestly, right now I would be in the "no" department unless they toned down some of the power in the game. PVP is bad enough without players running 2 full time 5 piece sets, a monster set AND a mythic. Give these people the opportunity to do all of the above and things are really going to be out of hand. And in PVE, the power creep has already been pushed to a ridiculous level. This is not really something that is necessary for the enjoyment of the game, its just one of those "wouldn't it be cool" things.

Like, wouldn't it be cool if you could use 2 5 piece sets, a monster set, a mythic, AND arena sets?

It’s hard meta to already run a mythic and a monster set in PvP, this change won’t change PvP how do you not know that? The back bar sets are up 100 of the time, and I don’t want more power creep I want less I want them to give everything more health anyway

El_Borracho wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

Honestly, right now I would be in the "no" department unless they toned down some of the power in the game. PVP is bad enough without players running 2 full time 5 piece sets, a monster set AND a mythic. Give these people the opportunity to do all of the above and things are really going to be out of hand. And in PVE, the power creep has already been pushed to a ridiculous level. This is not really something that is necessary for the enjoyment of the game, its just one of those "wouldn't it be cool" things.

Like, wouldn't it be cool if you could use 2 5 piece sets, a monster set, a mythic, AND arena sets?

It’s hard meta to already run a mythic and a monster set in PvP, this change won’t change PvP how do you not know that? The back bar sets are up 100 of the time, and I don’t want more power creep I want less I want them to give everything more health anyway

His point was with a mythic slot, you could run all three: mythic, monster, and an arena weapon, on top of two 5 piece sets. Which would be ridiculous in PVP.

They get to run an arena weapon if they want it’s not that op, none of them are that good for PvP, you might see someone running the asylum 2h after 10 years of it never getting used, not a big deal

ImPoStier wrote: »

They get to run an arena weapon if they want it’s not that op, none of them are that good for PvP, you might see someone running the asylum 2h after 10 years of it never getting used, not a big deal

Arena weapons on their own still pack a bit of a punch in certain builds. They don’t get used as often because it’s harder to justify giving up something in exchange for them.

However, if there were a Mythic slot, letting people run literally everything, everyone would slot arena weapons just for the little bit extra on top. And suddenly, power creep becomes power sprint, PvE gets a lot easier (to the game’s detriment), and PvP becomes a far worse place (to the players’ detriment).

You’ve got the following options when it comes to builds:

- 2 five-piece sets
- a mythic
- a two-piece monster set
- arena weapons.

The game is balanced for you to fully run only three of those at a time for a reason.

ImPoStier wrote: »

I think dds never getting to use a monster set again is kinda sad, because I think monster sets are really cool, in PvP you get a mythic and a monster set but in pve you have to choose one or the other, and mythics are just so much stronger, I feel like the game needs a rebalancing anyway with all the power creep, what about giving us a mythic slot so we can use a monster set and a mythic and buff all the health pools with this extra power in mind, it needs to be done anyway

You know what would be even cooler? What if they made a wepon that could one hit everything, wouldnt that be awesome? Or what about just no

ImPoStier wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

Honestly, right now I would be in the "no" department unless they toned down some of the power in the game. PVP is bad enough without players running 2 full time 5 piece sets, a monster set AND a mythic. Give these people the opportunity to do all of the above and things are really going to be out of hand. And in PVE, the power creep has already been pushed to a ridiculous level. This is not really something that is necessary for the enjoyment of the game, its just one of those "wouldn't it be cool" things.

Like, wouldn't it be cool if you could use 2 5 piece sets, a monster set, a mythic, AND arena sets?

It’s hard meta to already run a mythic and a monster set in PvP, this change won’t change PvP how do you not know that? The back bar sets are up 100 of the time, and I don’t want more power creep I want less I want them to give everything more health anyway

Dude, I already know this, you're preaching to the choire. The setup allows you to have more HP because you can run 1 piece trainee. That wasn't the point of my post. I was saying that power creep is out of control right now (IMO, largely due to subclassing being a dumpsterfire with the way they implemented it) and just creating a dedicated mythic slot would just make the problem worse.

ImPoStier wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

Honestly, right now I would be in the "no" department unless they toned down some of the power in the game. PVP is bad enough without players running 2 full time 5 piece sets, a monster set AND a mythic. Give these people the opportunity to do all of the above and things are really going to be out of hand. And in PVE, the power creep has already been pushed to a ridiculous level. This is not really something that is necessary for the enjoyment of the game, its just one of those "wouldn't it be cool" things.

Like, wouldn't it be cool if you could use 2 5 piece sets, a monster set, a mythic, AND arena sets?

It’s hard meta to already run a mythic and a monster set in PvP, this change won’t change PvP how do you not know that? The back bar sets are up 100 of the time, and I don’t want more power creep I want less I want them to give everything more health anyway

His point was with a mythic slot, you could run all three: mythic, monster, and an arena weapon, on top of two 5 piece sets. Which would be ridiculous in PVP.

They get to run an arena weapon if they want it’s not that op, none of them are that good for PvP, you might see someone running the asylum 2h after 10 years of it never getting used, not a big deal

I love when people say something is not OP today so nothing would ever go wrong by allowing this suggestion. While forgetting about the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes n the past over BRP daggers, Master's DW, Malestrom 2H,etc. I remember when the Master's Bow was OP once upon a time. Just wait a while and things will change

Something I've periodically wished for is not a mythic slot but the ability to change where a mythic can go.

The choices are usually: mythic, monster, and/or arena weapons, but not all three. So I haven't really seen it be a problem where I can't have a mythic and a monster set if desired (unless it is a head/shoulder mythic). It's just not always BIS to do so.

However, at times, I might not have the right drop to make the build work, but I could make it work if I could move things around.

What I don't know is if slot selection for the mythic is balanced based, lore based, or random. For example, did the devs really want us to choose between a monster set and Spaulder of Ruin? Would Oakensoul be too OP if it was a belt instead of a ring? If Pearls of Ehlnofey was a ring instead of a necklace, would it effect anything? I haven't put too much analysis into it, because it's not an option, but once or twice I've wished that the mythics could be reconstructed as other slots when I've been missing a drop.

El_Borracho wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Kalthea wrote: »

ImPoStier wrote: »

Monster sets are always worse than mythics, and you can’t really front bar back bar a dps setup to fit in both like you can on supports and PvP setups, I like trying to fit on both too, but is that little thing worth dps not getting to have both ever?

It's not really a "never have both", it's more of a "only certain combos work". And to be clear, I'm not saying no to the idea, just that build craft is fun and I would hope that adding in a mythic slot wouldn't take away from the experience.

Honestly, right now I would be in the "no" department unless they toned down some of the power in the game. PVP is bad enough without players running 2 full time 5 piece sets, a monster set AND a mythic. Give these people the opportunity to do all of the above and things are really going to be out of hand. And in PVE, the power creep has already been pushed to a ridiculous level. This is not really something that is necessary for the enjoyment of the game, its just one of those "wouldn't it be cool" things.

Like, wouldn't it be cool if you could use 2 5 piece sets, a monster set, a mythic, AND arena sets?

It’s hard meta to already run a mythic and a monster set in PvP, this change won’t change PvP how do you not know that? The back bar sets are up 100 of the time, and I don’t want more power creep I want less I want them to give everything more health anyway

His point was with a mythic slot, you could run all three: mythic, monster, and an arena weapon, on top of two 5 piece sets. Which would be ridiculous in PVP.

They get to run an arena weapon if they want it’s not that op, none of them are that good for PvP, you might see someone running the asylum 2h after 10 years of it never getting used, not a big deal

I love when people say something is not OP today so nothing would ever go wrong by allowing this suggestion. While forgetting about the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes n the past over BRP daggers, Master's DW, Malestrom 2H,etc. I remember when the Master's Bow was OP once upon a time. Just wait a while and things will change

With the power they are making class skills an arena weapon with a weapon skill is still less powerful than a dk skill, the only one you will see get used is wrath of elements only because ele sus is a meta skill, if it’s actually too strong just nerf, but I actually think it would be cool to see some of these weapons get used again, wrath of elements is the only one that could be problematic because it’s attached to a strong meta skill

I would love to see arena weapons and more monster sets come back to power. But mythics have basically blocked that from happening. Mythics are why monster sets have almost been relegated to niche status.

I just can't get on board with allowing all 3 at the same time. Not that it would not be fun, it would, but the way things are implemented in this game on the PVP side normally leads to mass nerfing once players start dying en masse.

I actually have faith in zenimax now to actually do a good job that’s why I’m on here recommending stuff, before they would just nerf everything into absolutely uselessness that was their solution to everything, but this new leadership seem to know what they are doing, that’s what I want more fun without making the game worse in the process, I think a mythic slot could be done right and I think it’s worth trying

I would get a team to go on pure classes now run every dungeon and time it, and then after the mastery classes come out give us a mythic slot at the same time then run the dungeons again and keep adding more health to everything until the dungeon is taking the same amount of time as before so we get to use a monster set, mythic, and an arena weapon but there’s no actual power creep