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The new and last Survey about Vengeance is out
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Erickson9610✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »The way to submit answers on mobile is somewhat confusing imo. The button doesn't say submit and is kinda small.
Also I used the shared link because I didn't see a link in my email at first but then I realized I was looking at the wrong one. Should I take it again on my own link or is it unnecessary since I used the shared one?
A little off topic but when will mobile be able to add pictures to this forum without needing to view as desktop again?
Thanks for the feedback on the button. We will pass that on to our teams. Both about the button and mobile view to add pictures.
If you want to take it again on your designated link just to make sure, I think that is fine. But I'm sure you should be fine with the other link you used.
I took the survey on mobile, and I got to the end where I was thanked for taking the survey. There wasn't another button to continue or leave the screen, so I closed that browser window.
I assume that when I see that final message, my responses were recorded and I can safely close the window? I might take future surveys on desktop just in case there's some hidden "submit" button that I overlooked when taking the surveys on mobile.PC/NA — Lone Werewolf, the EP Templar Werewolf
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Poss✭✭✭✭✭I’d also like to point out that as soon as Greyhost was back, I participated in real Cyrodiil and it was popping, I enjoyed myself, plenty of peeps online and just thought you should know that
Please add this to your data, much appreciated because I didn’t get a survey to vent my frustration towards this abomination
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✭✭✭✭Yeah, now that @spartaxoxo has commented about mobile, I'm concerned that none of what I chose and typed was actually recorded. I took the survey on mobile, got the end where it thanked me (no further button to push to submit that I could see) but when I click the same link in my inbox again, it let's me start back over. Not sure if I need to submit again or not.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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Tra_Lalan✭✭✭✭✭Very good survey. Good questions. Hits the mark and doesn't avoid difficult topics.
Im sure it will give ZOS solid data for deciding the future of Cyrodill.
To all players who care about PvP, please check your email and do the survey. It doesnt take much time, and you will have the opportunity to give feedback that will get to ZOS.2 -
Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
That's data they can already discern anyway.0 -
Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Really hope players answer these surveys fairly and not to spite either vengeance or grey host, to get one of them removed because they like the other one. As we can see many players do on these forums already.2 -
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✭✭✭MincMincMinc wrote: »@ZOS_Kevin Has zos released a statement explaining how to get the survey links? I and many guildies have been answering them through other guildies or youtuber links that have passed around. Are people supposed to link their accounts and emails, pretty much all of my guildies I know just used other peoples links because they never saw emails.
We did outline this earlier in the year, but happy to outline again. You need to log into your account through the website and opt-in on marketing emails. That is the way we are able to see who has participated and send emails through that. Totally understand this is not idea to opt into marketing emails, but the team who builds and send surveys uses that information to see the connection between your accounts and what you participated in. It enables us to have surveys where we are asking for specific criteria. If we did not have specific criteria, we would just publicly post the survey with no issue.
@ZOS_Kevin
Is there any way this can be separated from marketing emails as an option? I'm not interested in crownstore offers or other marketing communication but I would like to receive surveys which could determine the outcome of crucial changes in areas of the game I enjoy playing.
If you are filtering based on people who played why not just publish these surveys publicly anyway since only the people who participated will be filtered anyway?@Solar_Breeze
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✭✭✭Having two clickable boxes - one for marketing, one for surveys and similar communication - would be nice, yes.
I will not agree to marketing emails. If I want spam, I buy it in the supermarket.
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Melivar✭✭✭While my preference is Vengeance as a PVP mode I did make sure to comment several times how I would prefer to have both options available for everyone to have options.
Even if it is rare in my case I would like to continue to have the option to go in a try a concept to see if it flops or not.1 -
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✭Just like all the others, I would have never gotten this survey, if not shared here. Thank you very much and yes, I do allow ZoS to send me Mails, weird how you still do not get such things.PC|EU0 -
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✭MincMincMinc wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »To keep it short,
Length of time played has nothing to do with lag, all players can wear the same gear if desired as well.
Now what does matter is if a player is grouped or not as it has been known for years that there is a problem with the group net code.
If we have someone light attacking and casting snipe up on a keep wall each gcd are you trying to say that this is equal to someone wearing all group proc sets casting massive aoe dot/hot or group buff skills each gcd standing in the thick of breach seige and aoe?
Even in vengeance with toned down skills comparing someone light attacking vs someone spamming only aoe and dots/hots
Its not even close numerically how many ticks would happen after even 10s, 30s, or even a 30min seige.
If people boycotted Vengeance then that's on them. As I said not so long ago: Venegance is coming, you can either participate and provide feedback that can make things better, or you can boycott it and get no say.PC EU
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✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
The survey is about the viability of this version of Vengeance for those who played. If someone did not play Vengeance in this test, you can't really speak to that. So it isn't skewing data based on the general theme of request.
It's not about skewing Vengeance positively. Folks who participated in the campaign can still tell us that the did not like what they played. And if you participated in both Gray Host and Vengeance, that feedback is being captured as well.
If the survey is about the viability of Vengeance then why were there so many questions about Greyhost? If I recall correctly, one question even asked what campaign did you participate in(?). Which from there if you answered Greyhost you’d think all the questions following would pertain to Greyhost. It’s very very hard to trust this is a genuine inquiry on the viability of Vengeance when it was tailored more around the specific campaign you played, which in most cases would be Greyhost.
Why is something as simple as a survey confusing and feel like a trick? Sheesh."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations3 -
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✭MincMincMinc wrote: »Four_Fingers wrote: »To keep it short,
Length of time played has nothing to do with lag, all players can wear the same gear if desired as well.
Now what does matter is if a player is grouped or not as it has been known for years that there is a problem with the group net code.
If we have someone light attacking and casting snipe up on a keep wall each gcd are you trying to say that this is equal to someone wearing all group proc sets casting massive aoe dot/hot or group buff skills each gcd standing in the thick of breach seige and aoe?
Even in vengeance with toned down skills comparing someone light attacking vs someone spamming only aoe and dots/hots
Its not even close numerically how many ticks would happen after even 10s, 30s, or even a 30min seige.
If people boycotted Vengeance then that's on them. As I said not so long ago: Venegance is coming, you can either participate and provide feedback that can make things better, or you can boycott it and get no say.
Oh i agree and think people should participate so they can give feedback as we have learned it sounds like zos is not accepting feedback from people who's accounts did not participate.
In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
Personally I think after the first veng baseline test they should have planned a test a year or two later where you would have a middleground test server. Where veng would have a handful of performative sets, mundus, enchants, gear, passives, morphs. So we could see how just a stripped version of live eso would perform. THEN you would do rule tests for things like crossheals, hot/dot stacking mechanics, aoe cap, group mechanics, hots self purging, etc. There are so many rules you can implement to cut fat off the game and save potential calculations from building up.Zos should hire pvp consultants0 -
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✭MincMincMinc wrote: »In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
I'd disagree it's bad data. Even the sweatiest PvPer isn't going to be putting the server under anywhere near the same strain as Live; that is after all the whole point of Vengeance.
Personally, I find the mode dull as dishwater. I understand why they have locked in on Vengeance, but I think they need to test other things - not being able to stack DoTs of the same type, making heals/shields into three types (similar to damage - say Light/Dark/Arcane) and only allowing one of the same tpye like DoTs. A new one simply replaces the old one.
A revised AoE system would also be worth a test. Test that @ZOS_Kevin - see what the performance is like.
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SneaK✭✭✭✭✭
✭MincMincMinc wrote: »In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
I'd disagree it's bad data. Even the sweatiest PvPer isn't going to be putting the server under anywhere near the same strain as Live; that is after all the whole point of Vengeance.
Personally, I find the mode dull as dishwater. I understand why they have locked in on Vengeance, but I think they need to test other things - not being able to stack DoTs of the same type, making heals/shields into three types (similar to damage - say Light/Dark/Arcane) and only allowing one of the same tpye like DoTs. A new one simply replaces the old one.
A revised AoE system would also be worth a test. Test that @ZOS_Kevin - see what the performance is like.
Was there one single question about performance? How many?"IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations0 -
MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭✭
✭MincMincMinc wrote: »In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
I'd disagree it's bad data. Even the sweatiest PvPer isn't going to be putting the server under anywhere near the same strain as Live; that is after all the whole point of Vengeance.
Personally, I find the mode dull as dishwater. I understand why they have locked in on Vengeance, but I think they need to test other things - not being able to stack DoTs of the same type, making heals/shields into three types (similar to damage - say Light/Dark/Arcane) and only allowing one of the same tpye like DoTs. A new one simply replaces the old one.
A revised AoE system would also be worth a test. Test that @ZOS_Kevin - see what the performance is like.
Well test wise youd use vengeance as your baseline instead of them trying to compare back to a 2010-2012 beta test. Mainly to test the servers, network, anticheat and other underlying systems to see if they can repeat what they did 10 years ago. If you wanted a more representative test to fix GH you would need to bring in all the game systems like I mentioned with mundus, gear, sets, passives, morphs in performative ways.
Why they had us do repeated tests with just the background things like achievements being turned on and off......ehh I dont see the point. The only noticeable thing the testing showed so far was that Test 1 had no issues once they locked in the pop cap. Test 2 was at pop cap and saw slight desync/rubberband issues after the addition of way more aoe spam and hots from the resto staff.
The following tests didnt fill enough pop to compare to the first baseline. So the result they probably came to was that players are not going to want to lose parts of their builds for performance. So the only way to perform was to cut the population in half using a new game mode because Cyrodil as a map is too big for 144 or 180 people.Zos should hire pvp consultants0 -
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✭MincMincMinc wrote: »In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
I'd disagree it's bad data. Even the sweatiest PvPer isn't going to be putting the server under anywhere near the same strain as Live; that is after all the whole point of Vengeance.
Personally, I find the mode dull as dishwater. I understand why they have locked in on Vengeance, but I think they need to test other things - not being able to stack DoTs of the same type, making heals/shields into three types (similar to damage - say Light/Dark/Arcane) and only allowing one of the same tpye like DoTs. A new one simply replaces the old one.
A revised AoE system would also be worth a test. Test that @ZOS_Kevin - see what the performance is like.
Was there one single question about performance? How many?
3 or 4 iirc. About 15 questions in total and several free-form answers.PC EU
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manukartofanu✭✭✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
Well, I played Vengeance as well and didn’t receive a survey link either. I guess it is selective anyways.0 -
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✭manukartofanu wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
Well, I played Vengeance as well and didn’t receive a survey link either. I guess it is selective anyways.
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manukartofanu✭✭✭✭✭manukartofanu wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
Well, I played Vengeance as well and didn’t receive a survey link either. I guess it is selective anyways.
So? I participated. A lot. 10+ hours definetely. Maybe even 20+ hours. Where is my link?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭manukartofanu wrote: »manukartofanu wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
Well, I played Vengeance as well and didn’t receive a survey link either. I guess it is selective anyways.
So? I participated. A lot. 10+ hours definetely. Maybe even 20+ hours. Where is my link?
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amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭Its just still shady that the survey isnt sent to everyone. Specially when ZOS plans to implement such a big ripped off system while taking away GH. Everyone should be asked. Not just the niche of the niche of the niche1 -
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xR3ACTORx✭✭✭✭Just a friendly reminder that punctuation marks like the usage of "—" can indicate that people didn't wrote their replies by themselves and is also known as something called "dash overuse".Edited by xR3ACTORx on 20 December 2025 15:240
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aetherix8✭✭✭✭manukartofanu wrote: »manukartofanu wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »ShutUpitsRed wrote: »I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.robwolf666 wrote: »Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.
Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
Well, I played Vengeance as well and didn’t receive a survey link either. I guess it is selective anyways.
So? I participated. A lot. 10+ hours definetely. Maybe even 20+ hours. Where is my link?
This is the first time I’ve received an email with a survey link. I participated in 3 tests out of 4, and I should have gotten at least one more survey for V3. I’m suspecting smth isn’t working correctly with those emails.PC EU - V4hn10 -
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✭MincMincMinc wrote: »In that previous conversation though someone was trying to say it doesn't matter who plays the test for data. I was pointing out that someone who isn't a pvp sweat simply will not put the same strain on the server. If zos fills vengeance or any test with pve players or new players they will dilute out their population. Its the exact reason why they were saying they couldn't use bots to do stress tests.......yet they did it anyways by getting people pissed enough they boycotted it. Bad PR and planning ruined any chance at good data.
I'd disagree it's bad data. Even the sweatiest PvPer isn't going to be putting the server under anywhere near the same strain as Live; that is after all the whole point of Vengeance.
Personally, I find the mode dull as dishwater. I understand why they have locked in on Vengeance, but I think they need to test other things - not being able to stack DoTs of the same type, making heals/shields into three types (similar to damage - say Light/Dark/Arcane) and only allowing one of the same tpye like DoTs. A new one simply replaces the old one.
A revised AoE system would also be worth a test. Test that @ZOS_Kevin - see what the performance is like.
Was there one single question about performance? How many?
There were questions about performance in both GH and vengeance on the quiz I filled out. I didn't see any performance increase in vengeance, so that's how I answered. No reason for vengeance if performance isn't better.0