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The new and last Survey about Vengeance is out

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  • CaiWenji
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    Done! Thanks for sharing this link. I didn't get it in my email even though I was active and played Greyhost during the Vengeance test(when it was finally available).
  • aetherix8
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    There are more tests to come (one or two) so that might not be the last survey, although it’s the last time the devs are comparing both campaigns. But thanks for reminding us about this one, there are indeed some important questions about GH and Vengeance.
    PC EU - V4hn1
  • JohnRingo
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    @fizzybeef Much thanks for this. I hope you don't mind that I forwarded this along to the PVP Activities forum as well with proper credit to you, of course.
  • fizzybeef
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    JohnRingo wrote: »
    @fizzybeef Much thanks for this. I hope you don't mind that I forwarded this along to the PVP Activities forum as well with proper credit to you, of course.

    Of cause thats fine and thank you for sharing it.
  • Sarannah
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    Had one myself, and just finished filling it in. Gave my honest opinion, that they should keep both vengeance and grey host as permanent campaigns.

    Also that I liked the loadouts and perks systems. Though loadouts did not meet my playstyle(single bar) but was easily adjustable, and that perks are good/balanced and should make their way into PvE as well as they are fun. Also stated that grey host should be made more fair and accessible in general, immortal players/1vsX/one shots/ball groups/etc should not be possible at all in fair PvP combat.
  • robwolf666
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    @fizzybeef If that's the email survey, I'm not sure you're supposed to share the link since it's only for people who were actually there.
  • JohnRingo
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    robwolf666 wrote: »
    @fizzybeef If that's the email survey, I'm not sure you're supposed to share the link since it's only for people who were actually there.

    Where do I surrender?
  • robwolf666
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    JohnRingo wrote: »
    robwolf666 wrote: »
    @fizzybeef If that's the email survey, I'm not sure you're supposed to share the link since it's only for people who were actually there.

    Where do I surrender?

    My point is I'm pretty sure people have been banned for doing this in the past.
    But hey... why not let people who didn't take part share their experience of playing it when they didn't, huh? I'm sure that will make a perfectly accurate survey result.

    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).
  • Four_Fingers
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    Sarannah wrote: »
    Had one myself, and just finished filling it in. Gave my honest opinion, that they should keep both vengeance and grey host as permanent campaigns.

    Also that I liked the loadouts and perks systems. Though loadouts did not meet my playstyle(single bar) but was easily adjustable, and that perks are good/balanced and should make their way into PvE as well as they are fun. Also stated that grey host should be made more fair and accessible in general, immortal players/1vsX/one shots/ball groups/etc should not be possible at all in fair PvP combat.

    That would make Grey Host as boring as Vengeance.
    Have your Vengeance mode but please stop trying to change GH.
  • MincMincMinc
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    The best you can answer is to call to keep GH and ask that they keep adding to vengeance to bring back sets, enchants, mundus, morphs, etc. The perk and loadout system should have just been a fake gear system.....UI can be made to look like anything.

    For GH to get fixed we need vengeance in a more comparable state with all the necessary build systems cleaned up for less effect calculations.

    Atleast get vengeance closer to a noproc situation. No proc sets, no proc passives, no weapon enchants, no poisons, no status effects. Avoid any possible calcs that can trickle off and bloat the game. Then we need game rule tests like no cross healing, or dot/hot stacking, or aoe cap rules.
    Edited by MincMincMinc on 17 December 2025 14:25
    Zos should hire pvp consultants
  • Sarannah
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    Four_Fingers wrote: »
    Sarannah wrote: »
    Had one myself, and just finished filling it in. Gave my honest opinion, that they should keep both vengeance and grey host as permanent campaigns.

    Also that I liked the loadouts and perks systems. Though loadouts did not meet my playstyle(single bar) but was easily adjustable, and that perks are good/balanced and should make their way into PvE as well as they are fun. Also stated that grey host should be made more fair and accessible in general, immortal players/1vsX/one shots/ball groups/etc should not be possible at all in fair PvP combat.

    That would make Grey Host as boring as Vengeance.
    Have your Vengeance mode but please stop trying to change GH.
    So, you are basically saying you don't want actual/real PvP to happen in your PvP zone(grey host). As all the things I mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with real PvP!

    That is not sustainable!
  • ShutUpitsRed
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    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.
  • Iriidius
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    CaiWenji wrote: »
    Done! Thanks for sharing this link. I didn't get it in my email even though I was active and played Greyhost during the Vengeance test(when it was finally available).
    You had to consent getting emails on account website.
    Probably you had to be active in Vengeance as most the question were about Vengeance. But players that were playing in Vengeance a lot and consented to email usually didn’t get email either.
    PC EU
  • Iriidius
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    xR3ACTORx wrote: »
    Can someone explain what's the difference about a small group of players, a large group of players and several large groups of players?

    This survey is so vague again.

    I understood it like this:

    Small group of players is probably smallscale
    group up to 4 players because if you try to add fifth player you get warning that you are now a large group that can’t enter dungeons.

    Large group should be a group of 5 to 12 players like ballgroups or pugs.

    Several large groups probably means a zerg consisting of several large groups or enaugh solo zergsurfer to form multiple such groups.

    PC EU
  • licenturion
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    These surveys are tracked and normally every email has a unique link.

    So, filling in a shared link is pretty pointless because every answer with the same link ID after first submission will probably be ignored when counting results.

    That is the whole point of focused mail surveys in the marketing world.
    Edited by licenturion on 17 December 2025 19:02
  • Vulkunne
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    Sent mine in as well. Thanks for the reminder!
    Today Victory is mines. Long Live the Imperial Empire. -Grand Admiral Vulkunne
  • ZOS_Kevin
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    ShutUpitsRed wrote: »
    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.

    We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.

    robwolf666 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).

    We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.

    Edited by ZOS_Kevin on 17 December 2025 19:13
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  • acastanza_ESO
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    ZOS_Kevin wrote: »
    ShutUpitsRed wrote: »
    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.

    We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.

    robwolf666 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).

    We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.

    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.
  • MincMincMinc
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    acastanza_ESO wrote: »
    ZOS_Kevin wrote: »
    ShutUpitsRed wrote: »
    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.

    We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.

    robwolf666 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).

    We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.

    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.

    Not to mention the actual vengeance data becomes invalid when the core pvp lag inducing playerbase is replaced by non pvp players. Do we really think a pve or new player will induce the same lag as a 10 pvp year vet ball group player?
    Zos should hire pvp consultants
  • Four_Fingers
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    MincMincMinc wrote: »
    acastanza_ESO wrote: »
    ZOS_Kevin wrote: »
    ShutUpitsRed wrote: »
    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.

    We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.

    robwolf666 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).

    We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.

    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.

    Not to mention the actual vengeance data becomes invalid when the core pvp lag inducing playerbase is replaced by non pvp players. Do we really think a pve or new player will induce the same lag as a 10 pvp year vet ball group player?

    Yes, they do.
  • MincMincMinc
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    Four_Fingers wrote: »
    MincMincMinc wrote: »
    acastanza_ESO wrote: »
    ZOS_Kevin wrote: »
    ShutUpitsRed wrote: »
    I wonder what determines who gets sent a survey vs who doesn't.

    We sent the survey to those who participated in Vengeance during the Vengeance timeframe. This also includes if you participated in Vengeance and Gray Host when they were both running. The goal of the survey is to gather feedback from those who either participated in Vengeance or both Vengeance and Gray Host during the test period.

    robwolf666 wrote: »
    Anyway, I'm sure if ZoS is able to track who took part to send out the survey, they also know who those links were sent to, and which replies are legitimate. (When I go there now it says I completed the survey, so it obviously tracks it somehow).

    We do. We've noted in the past that sharing the links skews data from users who have played and we would like to avoid that where possible. Since sharing links has happened a few times now with past surveys, we have taken additional steps to make sure the data does not get skewed and matches with those who are participated in the in-game tests. So if you did not get the link for some reason but participated in the tests, using the shared link will still allow your data will get recorded and matched.

    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.

    Not to mention the actual vengeance data becomes invalid when the core pvp lag inducing playerbase is replaced by non pvp players. Do we really think a pve or new player will induce the same lag as a 10 pvp year vet ball group player?

    Yes, they do.

    Wut? explain
    Zos should hire pvp consultants
  • ZOS_Kevin
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    acastanza_ESO wrote: »
    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.

    The survey is about the viability of this version of Vengeance for those who played. If someone did not play Vengeance in this test, you can't really speak to that. So it isn't skewing data based on the general theme of request.

    It's not about skewing Vengeance positively. Folks who participated in the campaign can still tell us that the did not like what they played. And if you participated in both Gray Host and Vengeance, that feedback is being captured as well.

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  • MincMincMinc
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    @ZOS_Kevin Has zos released a statement explaining how to get the survey links? I and many guildies have been answering them through other guildies or youtuber links that have passed around. Are people supposed to link their accounts and emails, pretty much all of my guildies I know just used other peoples links because they never saw emails.

    Actually looking through now pretty much every pvp youtuber has posted their link telling everyone to make sure they fill out the survey.
    Edited by MincMincMinc on 17 December 2025 20:34
    Zos should hire pvp consultants
  • Four_Fingers
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    To keep it short,
    Length of time played has nothing to do with lag, all players can wear the same gear if desired as well.
    Now what does matter is if a player is grouped or not as it has been known for years that there is a problem with the group net code.
  • ZOS_Kevin
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    MincMincMinc wrote: »
    @ZOS_Kevin Has zos released a statement explaining how to get the survey links? I and many guildies have been answering them through other guildies or youtuber links that have passed around. Are people supposed to link their accounts and emails, pretty much all of my guildies I know just used other peoples links because they never saw emails.

    We did outline this earlier in the year, but happy to outline again. You need to log into your account through the website and opt-in on marketing emails. That is the way we are able to see who has participated and send emails through that. Totally understand this is not idea to opt into marketing emails, but the team who builds and send surveys uses that information to see the connection between your accounts and what you participated in. It enables us to have surveys where we are asking for specific criteria. If we did not have specific criteria, we would just publicly post the survey with no issue.
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  • MincMincMinc
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    Four_Fingers wrote: »
    To keep it short,
    Length of time played has nothing to do with lag, all players can wear the same gear if desired as well.
    Now what does matter is if a player is grouped or not as it has been known for years that there is a problem with the group net code.

    If we have someone light attacking and casting snipe up on a keep wall each gcd are you trying to say that this is equal to someone wearing all group proc sets casting massive aoe dot/hot or group buff skills each gcd standing in the thick of breach seige and aoe?

    Even in vengeance with toned down skills comparing someone light attacking vs someone spamming only aoe and dots/hots

    Its not even close numerically how many ticks would happen after even 10s, 30s, or even a 30min seige.
    Edited by MincMincMinc on 17 December 2025 20:55
    Zos should hire pvp consultants
  • smallhammer
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    Been playing in GH for a couple of nights now. What a bore-fest that has become. Why? Ball groups all over the place, with no effecitve counters really. They're just running around, farming, almost all evening.

    On top of that; OP sets and immortal players.

    That may be fun for some. For me, not so.

    I'd like to have a choice to have Vengeance as well. I realise we all like different things and styles of play, of course. So therefor a choice would be fine.

  • spartaxoxo
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    The way to submit answers on mobile is somewhat confusing imo. The button doesn't say submit and is kinda small.

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    Also I used the shared link because I didn't see a link in my email at first but then I realized I was looking at the wrong one. Should I take it again on my own link or is it unnecessary since I used the shared one?

    A little off topic but when will mobile be able to add pictures to this forum without needing to view as desktop again?
  • ZOS_Kevin
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    The way to submit answers on mobile is somewhat confusing imo. The button doesn't say submit and is kinda small.

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    Also I used the shared link because I didn't see a link in my email at first but then I realized I was looking at the wrong one. Should I take it again on my own link or is it unnecessary since I used the shared one?

    A little off topic but when will mobile be able to add pictures to this forum without needing to view as desktop again?

    Thanks for the feedback on the button. We will pass that on to our teams. Both about the button and mobile view to add pictures.

    If you want to take it again on your designated link just to make sure, I think that is fine. But I'm sure you should be fine with the other link you used.
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  • Artisian0001
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    ZOS_Kevin wrote: »
    acastanza_ESO wrote: »
    Excluding those who rejected Vengeance but continued to play in Grey Host also skews your data towards those who view Vengeance positively. Kinda invalidating for the survey ngl.

    The survey is about the viability of this version of Vengeance for those who played. If someone did not play Vengeance in this test, you can't really speak to that. So it isn't skewing data based on the general theme of request.

    It's not about skewing Vengeance positively. Folks who participated in the campaign can still tell us that the did not like what they played. And if you participated in both Gray Host and Vengeance, that feedback is being captured as well.

    No it isn't? Did you even read the survey? There are options about choosing NOT to play vengeance at all, what are you talking about?
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