On my PC account I don't own the Arcanist so I'm immediately at a disadvantage for subclassing (or so I hear, I have done no testing). I have started subclassing with my existing classes. Maybe my opinion will change over time. Is it too soon to make a decision as important as this one?

cyclonus11 wrote: »

"Does majority hate it or does the minority."

Perhaps it's the secret third option

There are a lot of caveats by those voting yes, but not so much with those voting no. Nuance is lost in simple polls.

AvalonRanger wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Yes...but. After Subclass grinding, every my mag DPS looks like same.
Lost personality. This is not good as RPG.

I want something cosmetic effect to maintain original class theme for subclass skills.

I want to keep original class theme image, even after the SubClass build.
Like this.(I did speed painting)


Just don't make everything like "Green Lantern movie".

I'd like this as a Skill Style, which would almost certainly be sourced from the Crown Store. I want to be able to choose how my abilities look, rather than having the theme of my class stuck to every ability I try to use.

Even though it’s a straightforward question, I still find it difficult to answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” I’m not against Subclassing and I've spend dozens of hours experimenting with different combinations, which was pretty fun. These days, however, I'm playing the game less than I did before Subclassing was introduced. I'm just not a fan of:

• The current balance
• The loss of class identity

The first point bothers me the most. I genuinely don’t understand why we still haven’t seen any meaningful balance adjustments, and it sours the whole system for me.

ZOS has access to far more data than we do, so the developers should be able to see which skill lines and abilities are underperforming in the current meta. I mean, even players can scrape data from public logs to create graphs like these:



How hard would it have been to at least buff skill lines that almost nobody uses, like Shadow, Draconic Power, and Dark Magic, in U48? Doing so could’ve added a bit more build diversity, and it would’ve been a small buff for “pure” builds that are currently stuck with those weaker class lines as well.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

BasP wrote: »

Even though it’s a straightforward question, I still find it difficult to answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” I’m not against Subclassing and I've spend dozens of hours experimenting with different combinations, which was pretty fun. These days, however, I'm playing the game less than I did before Subclassing was introduced. I'm just not a fan of:

• The current balance
• The loss of class identity

The first point bothers me the most. I genuinely don’t understand why we still haven’t seen any meaningful balance adjustments, and it sours the whole system for me.

ZOS has access to far more data than we do, so the developers should be able to see which skill lines and abilities are underperforming in the current meta. I mean, even players can scrape data from public logs to create graphs like these:



How hard would it have been to at least buff skill lines that almost nobody uses, like Shadow, Draconic Power, and Dark Magic, in U48? Doing so could’ve added a bit more build diversity, and it would’ve been a small buff for “pure” builds that are currently stuck with those weaker class lines as well.

The numbers are somewhat misleading. There are two problems:

1) Base class lines synergize well together and are mixed. Whereas DLC class lines are distinct.
2) Damage lines will have 4 x the number of picks compared to tank/heal lines, but this is skewed by 1).

The breakdown would be less misleading if it was done by role as well. And also PvE/PvP. Oh and original class so as to compare per capita.

While the players who created the graphs didn't add the original classes, they do have separate graphs for the different roles:
But it's true that these numbers don't paint a complete picture because PvP isn't taken into account, among other things.

One thing is clear already when you look at the results: whatever the devs do a lot of people will be angry no matter what side you are on.

Your poll inspired that hyperioxes guy to make a whole video about this topic.

I don't like it because it removes class identity(in terms of being effective in a group, even if not meta, subclasses are often relied on to clear content) and some skills just dont get good love and care because of the focus on subclassing, and not the individual classes themselves.

Also makes combat stale. But combat in this game has never been particularly good anyways.