Do you like subclassing? Simple Yes or No poll.

robwolf666

I haven't tried it yet tbh... By the time I get to the level you can do it (50 right?), I'm already invested in the build I have and see no reason to change anything.

Mesite

No I don't

On my PC account I don't own the Arcanist so I'm immediately at a disadvantage for subclassing (or so I hear, I have done no testing). I have started subclassing with my existing classes. Maybe my opinion will change over time. Is it too soon to make a decision as important as this one?

YandereGirlfriend

Yes I like it

Subclassing was one of the most unexpected and refreshing changes that they've made in ages.

However, dropping it without any real attempt at striking balance between the "have" and "have-not" skill lines was a clear mistake. The feature likely could have been delayed by a patch or two until a more fully baked balance pass was available.

Here is hoping to BUFFS NOT NERFS in the next patch to help bring the underachiever lines (e.g. Shadow, Dark Magic, Draconic Power, etc.) up to par with the other skill lines.

Gabriel_H

cyclonus11 wrote: »

"Does majority hate it or does the minority."

Perhaps it's the secret third option

There are a lot of caveats by those voting yes, but not so much with those voting no. Nuance is lost in simple polls.

AvalonRanger

Yes I like it

AvalonRanger wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Yes...but. After Subclass grinding, every my mag DPS looks like same.
Lost personality. This is not good as RPG.

I want something cosmetic effect to maintain original class theme for subclass skills.

I want to keep original class theme image, even after the SubClass build.
Like this.(I did speed painting)


Just don't make everything like "Green Lantern movie".

Erickson9610

Yes I like it

AvalonRanger wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Yes...but. After Subclass grinding, every my mag DPS looks like same.
Lost personality. This is not good as RPG.

I want something cosmetic effect to maintain original class theme for subclass skills.

I want to keep original class theme image, even after the SubClass build.
Like this.(I did speed painting)


Just don't make everything like "Green Lantern movie".

I'd like this as a Skill Style, which would almost certainly be sourced from the Crown Store. I want to be able to choose how my abilities look, rather than having the theme of my class stuck to every ability I try to use.

fizzybeef

No I don't

Great how the community is ripped apart by subclassing (sarcasm)

BasP

Even though it’s a straightforward question, I still find it difficult to answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” I’m not against Subclassing and I've spend dozens of hours experimenting with different combinations, which was pretty fun. These days, however, I'm playing the game less than I did before Subclassing was introduced. I'm just not a fan of:

• The current balance
• The loss of class identity

The first point bothers me the most. I genuinely don’t understand why we still haven’t seen any meaningful balance adjustments, and it sours the whole system for me.

ZOS has access to far more data than we do, so the developers should be able to see which skill lines and abilities are underperforming in the current meta. I mean, even players can scrape data from public logs to create graphs like these:



How hard would it have been to at least buff skill lines that almost nobody uses, like Shadow, Draconic Power, and Dark Magic, in U48? Doing so could’ve added a bit more build diversity, and it would’ve been a small buff for “pure” builds that are currently stuck with those weaker class lines as well.

Gabriel_H

BasP wrote: »

Even though it’s a straightforward question, I still find it difficult to answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” I’m not against Subclassing and I've spend dozens of hours experimenting with different combinations, which was pretty fun. These days, however, I'm playing the game less than I did before Subclassing was introduced. I'm just not a fan of:

• The current balance
• The loss of class identity

The first point bothers me the most. I genuinely don’t understand why we still haven’t seen any meaningful balance adjustments, and it sours the whole system for me.

ZOS has access to far more data than we do, so the developers should be able to see which skill lines and abilities are underperforming in the current meta. I mean, even players can scrape data from public logs to create graphs like these:



How hard would it have been to at least buff skill lines that almost nobody uses, like Shadow, Draconic Power, and Dark Magic, in U48? Doing so could’ve added a bit more build diversity, and it would’ve been a small buff for “pure” builds that are currently stuck with those weaker class lines as well.

The numbers are somewhat misleading. There are two problems:

1) Base class lines synergize well together and are mixed. Whereas DLC class lines are distinct.
2) Damage lines will have 4 x the number of picks compared to tank/heal lines, but this is skewed by 1).

The breakdown would be less misleading if it was done by role as well. And also PvE/PvP. Oh and original class so as to compare per capita.

BasP

Gabriel_H wrote: »

BasP wrote: »

Even though it’s a straightforward question, I still find it difficult to answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” I’m not against Subclassing and I've spend dozens of hours experimenting with different combinations, which was pretty fun. These days, however, I'm playing the game less than I did before Subclassing was introduced. I'm just not a fan of:

• The current balance
• The loss of class identity

The first point bothers me the most. I genuinely don’t understand why we still haven’t seen any meaningful balance adjustments, and it sours the whole system for me.

ZOS has access to far more data than we do, so the developers should be able to see which skill lines and abilities are underperforming in the current meta. I mean, even players can scrape data from public logs to create graphs like these:



How hard would it have been to at least buff skill lines that almost nobody uses, like Shadow, Draconic Power, and Dark Magic, in U48? Doing so could’ve added a bit more build diversity, and it would’ve been a small buff for “pure” builds that are currently stuck with those weaker class lines as well.

The numbers are somewhat misleading. There are two problems:

1) Base class lines synergize well together and are mixed. Whereas DLC class lines are distinct.
2) Damage lines will have 4 x the number of picks compared to tank/heal lines, but this is skewed by 1).

The breakdown would be less misleading if it was done by role as well. And also PvE/PvP. Oh and original class so as to compare per capita.

While the players who created the graphs didn't add the original classes, they do have separate graphs for the different roles:

But it's true that these numbers don't paint a complete picture because PvP isn't taken into account, among other things.

Recent

Yes I like it

YES

Once i got over my refusal to accept it and i gave it a good try, i now love it so much. I would find pure classes boring to play now. Still wish beam was not the meta though

licenturion

Yes I like it

One thing is clear already when you look at the results: whatever the devs do a lot of people will be angry no matter what side you are on.

Your poll inspired that hyperioxes guy to make a whole video about this topic.

JinKC98

Yes I like it

Can't imagine DPS-ing without beams now. No going back for me personally... Have to LIKE it

MISTFORMBZZZ

No I don't

Hell no

opethmaniac

No I don't

From a PvP perspective, subclassing has severely limited class diversity instead of expanding it as promised.

Ultimately, only 4-5 skill lines are chosen because all the others are far too weak in the current meta.

Furthermore, you only see clones (mostly Warden as a base) running around in PvP, usually all with the same cheesy build and the same sets (Null Arca, Monomyth, Rallying Cry, etc.).

Faltasë

No I don't

I don't like it because it removes class identity(in terms of being effective in a group, even if not meta, subclasses are often relied on to clear content) and some skills just dont get good love and care because of the focus on subclassing, and not the individual classes themselves.

Also makes combat stale. But combat in this game has never been particularly good anyways.

old_scopie1945

To tell the truth, personally I don't care one way or the other. I was happy without it and I am happy with it. I wouldn't lose any sleep if it went away tomorrow. What I do care about is how those that don't like the change are punished. Yet again the whole system was badly implemented with no thought on how unbalanced the game became, and the heavy use of the nerf hammer.