Xarc wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

If it rolled back to Veteran levels, we'd be missing a ton of quality of life improvements and fun systems. The classic version of this game was DOA. It had to have a relaunch. Rolling back to vet levels removes everything in the game from Dark Brotherhood onwards.

This would mean....

No DLC dungeons except Imperial City
No Transmute Station
No Battle Grounds
No Jewelry Crafting
No curated drops
No Armory station
No sticker book
No group finder
No guild store improvements
No marking unknown collectibles
No Warden
No Arcanist
No Antiquities


Etc etc

No, thank you

I never said anything about removing all of that. It's simply about CP, AwA, subclassing, and scribing.
Why are you going off on a paranoid tangent just to scare people?

The only other thing I haven't mentioned, but which could be considered in ESO Classic, is Tamriel Unlimited, meaning that from the start all faction zones are accessible to everyone. Personally, I find this anti-RP and absurd, but never mind, I didn't mention it.
You start with a red character, you can't go to the blue team until you've finished the main quest, just like it was at the game's launch.

It's not a paranoid tangent. What "Classic" means in most MMO spaces is going backwards to an earlier build of the game. It purposefully excludes modern patches.

You mentioned you didn't want CP included because Vet Levels are what you consider to be the classic state of the game. Vet Levels were removed with the introduction of the Dark Brotherhood DLC. So that would be the cutoff patch on a classic server with other games.

If your idea isn't ESO classic, maybe you should restart the thread with a different explanation. Because when many people hear ESO classic, they are thinking about servers that go back to classic patches.

Xarc wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You mentioned you didn't want CP included because Vet Levels are what you consider to be the classic state of the game. Vet Levels were removed with the introduction of the Dark Brotherhood DLC. So that would be the cutoff patch on a classic server with other games.

I never mentioned the Veteran system, you must have mistaken me for someone else.
The CP system may be better, but that's no reason to forget that other changes are problematic and that many people don't like them.

Prior to CP, it was Vet Levels. So NO CP = Vet Levels. At least if we're going by classic standards.

What is your vision of the game if you don't want either of those things?

I think there are enough people out there who aren't playing ESO anymore that would come back to play a separate Classic version of ESO.

The game is barely managed now, what number of fresh tribulations would having two for the devs to track create?

- CP is fine.

- AWA - have a toggle for players who want to turn it off but not remove altogether it for others who do use it. I sincerely dislike AWA, others' opinions and play styles differ.

- Sub-classing/multi-classing - balance it, though I (as a non-coder) have no idea how. Several have mentioned a damage penalty for each class line added which sounds reasonable and seems to be feasible. That's similar to how such things are handled in other games including table top.

- Scribing - meh. It's ok but to be honest doesn't really add a whole lot for me. For others, it may contribute quite a bit.

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Also, I don't understand the people voting no? How would other players getting a modded server of the game affect your life? It's not a zero-sum game.

Thing is, the poll question wasn't "would it affect your life if eso classic was released." It was "would you be interested in...". So people who are not interested would generally... vote no in response to such a question.

And I mean beyond that, people tend to have different opinions and tend to favor development time and resources being put toward features and changes to the game that are of interest to them, rather than things that are not.

Renato90085 wrote: »

The game doesn't have enough players can to split.
it not one of other successful MMOs

Guild wards is getting Guild wars Reforged, Rift Prime and etc... other smaller MMOs have done it. I honestly would love to go back and play Veteran Rank ESO.

Having a second version of the game running would have an impact on the main game and therefore affect people who don't want to play classic because unless they get enough funding to set up a seperate team to run it ZOS staff will need to split their time and attention between the two.

Maybe it would only be the server admins, juggling updates to two sets of servers, but that would still impact changes to the existing game. But I assume even people who want to return to a genuine earlier version of the game would still want the bugs that were in that version to get fixed, as well as any new bugs which emerge. If the OP gets their way and instead of classic mode it's some weird hybrid of some, but not all, changes (but presumably all the current zones, quests etc.) that will introduce entirely new bugs that would need to be fixed.

One option might be to say classic mode is the entire package - returning to the original version of the game also means it requires a subscription to play and only the money from those subscriptions is used to maintain it. But considering that wasn't a viable business model when it was the only version of ESO I doubt it would attract enough people to keep it running.

Anilahation wrote: »

Renato90085 wrote: »

The game doesn't have enough players can to split.
it not one of other successful MMOs

Guild wards is getting Guild wars Reforged, Rift Prime and etc... other smaller MMOs have done it. I honestly would love to go back and play Veteran Rank ESO.

Guild Wars Reforged isn't 'classic mode' it's an update to the existing game which will be played on the same servers, with all the existing content and systems. It's like Tamriel Unlimited where they gave a tagline to an update to highlight the changes.

Or in this case simply highlight that they're making changes. It's an update to Guild Wars 1 - the original game, which has been in maintenance mode since 2012. (Actual maintenance mode where it only gets essential updates to stay online, not "I don't like this expansion so clearly the devs have abandoned the game" "maintenance mode".) It's had maybe 1-2 updates a year, just enough to keep it running, and now they're actually doing something with it, although so far only controller support and graphics updates.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

Another big MMO created a classic version of itself and was and still is a smashing success

That was because one of their expansions literally changed the entire game world. That same MMO then released the same expansion for their Classic version and it did not go down well.

I wondered about that when WoW Classic was first announced and they said they'd gradually add updates into it. I've never played WoW but I heard a big part of the appeal of Classic was that one expansion completely changed large parts of the world so entire zones and towns were gone or redesigned and whole storylines were no longer playable and Classic was a way to go back and play all that removed content. I assumed they'd stop updating it before that point, or maybe set up a 3rd version. I'm not surprised that pushing the same update into Classic mode (and therefore removing a big part of it's appeal) hasn't gone over well.

Depends. If you mean an older version that also removes the (admittedly limited) bugfixes and qol improvements that happened past that version, no. If you mean a current version of the game with CP, awa, scribing and slopclassing removed, yes.