Writhing Wall Event – Consolidated Messaging Thread

Ashnarug · October 28

PC/NA still showing 79% in the web page

PC/Eu is correctly showing 90%

Bethgael · October 28

WolfStark1 wrote: »

Bethgael wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

Willythehippie wrote: »

Are the wormwrithe outfit style pages guaranteed one a day?

Yes, though I have had them take many many chests to get them. They can also drop from the defense chests at the camps, the same as the Stirk motif.

And yet, throughout the whole event so far, I have had two (2) drop. In 14 days. I do have pet fragments coming out of my tuchus though.

SAME! We are in the same RNG Boat of HELL
Praying this patch was the breaker of our chains LOL

Not yet, I'm afraid. /bows Go with Aren Gee, dear friend. May he ever bless you from now on.

Or show his face in person so I can slap him silly.

This is the thing, see, back to the devs. RNG is not a Good Thing for this sort of event, where FOMO is supposed to play a part, because for every person who "got the drop on day 1!" there's a lot more frustrated players who may never see that sort of luck. Read the studies on learned helplessness, because this applies to MMO and dropbox-gambling style gaming. A percentage of people will always keep opening the box/grinding until they drop (especially if they are new players), but what more often happens is the less happens when expectations are high (as you raised them here), the more likely it is someone will go "eh. Nah. No point" especially if they have paid money to play, have been overhyped, or experience a huge run of bad luck when they hadn't already had good luck, or are long-term players. This low concept is great for mobile games, which people don't often play long-term, but does not do well in a decade-long MMO with SP tendencies.

You're literally hobbling your own game with this nonsense (and I'd say the same even if my RNG this time around was good, for the principle remains the same and I don't have the "I'm all right so I don't care about what others experience" mentality).

wolfie1.0. · October 28

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I feel I have to point out that yet again, there are a bunch of minor issues that popped up with this event. Sure, none are gamebreaking… but the fact that so many things are ending up going this way make the entire wall event as a whole look sloppily done.

On PTS, we never tested every stage of the event: U47 dropped already at phase 2, and U48 at phase 3. We never tested U47 without the event active, U47 on phase 1 only, U48 on phase 1 only, or U48 on phase 2 only. As such, a lot of these issues (like Ghish spawning early) could not have been caught.

The PTS volunteers also do not have the time or resources to test everything, particularly when RNG is involved. There was no way we could have reasonably tested that the invaded Jode’s Light delve was dropping its lead properly or that we would have thought to test the Bolgrul undaunted dailies. It seems like a strange choice that the team chose to set up invasions in the delves that were important for dailies and recent leads instead of invading some of the other delves in those zones that are not used at all to prevent conflicts. “Just wait a month!” should not be a solution to a quest or antiquity that cannot be completed.

And again, this is assuming that any bugs or issues reported on PTS are addressed… which is more often than not not the case. So many bugs reported on PTS go live, and then it’s a scramble to fix them for incremental 1 or 2. Why not have the devs follow the reports on PTS and address those issues?! We already saw that barely anyone tested U48 because we have been burned so often by not having our feedback read at all (despite the patch notes always saying “we’re reading your feedback!”) and now U48 came with basically no changes save for two week-long events.

We understand morale is probably low thanks to [gestures vaguely at everything], but the seeming carelessness of how this entire event has come out has really affected how players feel about the future of the game, and will definitely color the playerbase’s intentions to continue spending money for the next season or their continuing subscriptions. Please keep that in mind as you plan for how to reveal, test, and release Update 49 and beyond.

To be fair here, we know they read the feedback for the PTS. Its probably more that they dont have time to read all of it, and even less time to respond and make changes before release.

But the lack of response or changes makes it feel like its not read.

Destai · October 28

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

To be fair here, we know they read the feedback for the PTS. Its probably more that they dont have time to read all of it, and even less time to respond and make changes before release.

But the lack of response or changes makes it feel like its not read.

Ultimately, it's the same outcome. Whether they're reading it or not, they're not responding. And if they can't find the time to respond to things, then perhaps the PTS process needs more time baked in.

Their audience is giving them the advice for how to better communicate with us. And largely, it feels ignored. They don't want people lambasting their QA and Devs, but then haven't made many changes based on the issues people have outlined for years. It's pretty obvious they're setting themselves up for toxic outcomes.

That's on them, and there's some adjustments to be made. They need to be transparent about what our feedback actually changes; tell us what kind of feedback is needed and give us a format to follow.

Emeratis · October 28

I've seen this asked elsewhere but I have yet to see an official response from ZOS yet about it so putting it here in hopes of getting an answer. I have seen every miniboss for siege camps except for Watcher Zvarbin and Scamp Champion Doov. Many other friends and guildies are also missing these two and a quick search says almost everyone else is. I have one friend who has them and she was doing the event in the first few hours on PC NA and has yet to see them since. I think these two spawns are bugged and while the achievement doesn't need them all to complete, I know a lot of us were hoping to get all the boss spawns anyway. Can we get some sort of answer on this?

spartaxoxo · October 28

I also have yet to see Watcher Zvarbin and Scamp Champ Doov. I don't think those two are spawning at least in PSNA.

blktauna · October 28

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

laniakea_0 wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom looks like maintenance broke the writhing wall progress tracker on the website. it currently indicates that PC-EU is already in phase 2 even though we hadn't even reached 90% yet earlier.

Yep, we saw that too. Something happened during the Update 48 PC launch maintenance and we're investigating. We'll keep everyone updated.

Would this have something to do with the two monomyth antiquity sites I can not get to because they are behind the writhing wall. Thats a real wrench in my plans.

Rkindaleft · October 28

Destai wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

To be fair here, we know they read the feedback for the PTS. Its probably more that they dont have time to read all of it, and even less time to respond and make changes before release.

But the lack of response or changes makes it feel like its not read.

Ultimately, it's the same outcome. Whether they're reading it or not, they're not responding. And if they can't find the time to respond to things, then perhaps the PTS process needs more time baked in.

Their audience is giving them the advice for how to better communicate with us. And largely, it feels ignored. They don't want people lambasting their QA and Devs, but then haven't made many changes based on the issues people have outlined for years. It's pretty obvious they're setting themselves up for toxic outcomes.

That's on them, and there's some adjustments to be made. They need to be transparent about what our feedback actually changes; tell us what kind of feedback is needed and give us a format to follow.

I made a post about this a couple weeks ago in the PTS section specifically asking what kind of feedback ZOS either want to get or can actually action, and unsurprising to no one, nobody from ZOS responded to it.

I don't know why they're acting like it's some kind of trade secret, either just be transparent about what feedback you can actually use, what kind of feedback you don't want, or if we're just wasting our time providing anything feedback related at all - because all ZOS is doing with the avoidance of specifics and not actioning/even acknowledging 99% of feedback is just breeding discontent and annoyance. Eventually people get fed up and stop providing feedback completely because they feel like no matter what they say, nothing ever gets actioned. The PTS community is probably the deadest it's been since launch.

shadoza · October 28

Rkindaleft wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

To be fair here, we know they read the feedback for the PTS. Its probably more that they dont have time to read all of it, and even less time to respond and make changes before release.

But the lack of response or changes makes it feel like its not read.

Ultimately, it's the same outcome. Whether they're reading it or not, they're not responding. And if they can't find the time to respond to things, then perhaps the PTS process needs more time baked in.

Their audience is giving them the advice for how to better communicate with us. And largely, it feels ignored. They don't want people lambasting their QA and Devs, but then haven't made many changes based on the issues people have outlined for years. It's pretty obvious they're setting themselves up for toxic outcomes.

That's on them, and there's some adjustments to be made. They need to be transparent about what our feedback actually changes; tell us what kind of feedback is needed and give us a format to follow.

I made a post about this a couple weeks ago in the PTS section specifically asking what kind of feedback ZOS either want to get or can actually action, and unsurprising to no one, nobody from ZOS responded to it.

I don't know why they're acting like it's some kind of trade secret, either just be transparent about what feedback you can actually use, what kind of feedback you don't want, or if we're just wasting our time providing anything feedback related at all - because all ZOS is doing with the avoidance of specifics and not actioning/even acknowledging 99% of feedback is just breeding discontent and annoyance. Eventually people get fed up and stop providing feedback completely because they feel like no matter what they say, nothing ever gets actioned. The PTS community is probably the deadest it's been since launch.

Yes. I dropped the PTS because I felt like I was not being heard.

WolfStark1 · October 29

RNG Hates me LOL

Sincerely,
BURNT OUT

twisttop138 · October 29

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hey good morning!! I'm curious about something we're seeing with field marshals. In our previous conversation earlier in this thread, you let us know that you guys hotfixed the drop rates of work cult furnishings. We very much confirmed this in guild that day and a few days after. People were able to get the furnishings they wanted. But starting this weekend we're seeing a downturn. We're back to getting maybe 1 green furnishing every 10 to 12 drops. (Drops meaning when you actually get drops, not every 30 seconds when the marshal respawns) Are the inclusion of plunder skulls in the drop table hindering the furnishings from dropping? The increased drop rate of these were the Zos mia culpa for the dreadful blue boxes that you say you won't fix due to hot fix limits (even tho we all have maintenance this week hmmmmm)

Can we have a look at this please? Thank you for your help and communication in this thread!

Hello! We looked into this today and confirmed that the increased drop rates for the Field Marshals are still set to the higher rate. We also confirmed that there is zero overlap between their drops and Plunder Skulls drops, timers, drop tables, etc. We don't have an explanation for why things may seem different than before Witches Festival, unfortunately. All the numbers and settings are correct on the back-end.

Must be that damn RNG. While disappointing, thank you for looking into it.

dcrush · October 29

Speaking of RNG, since the hotfix I’ve gotten gold coffers from the wall event and witches festival that only had a single piece of gear… is that intentional or yet another bug?

DeathStalker · October 29

Please consider increasing the drop odds for the rarer items. I've been grinding on PC-EU for the house from almost sunup to sun down and it will not drop. I would have given up by now, most likely, if it didn't drop for me on NA so quickly. It feels very frustrating to be participating in this event so heavily and not feel like you're being rewarded for it.

Syldras · October 29

twisttop138 wrote: »

Must be that damn RNG. While disappointing, thank you for looking into it.

I have exactly the same problem, though. Okay drop rates for a few days, then nothing.

DenverRalphy · October 29

Did today's hotfix inadvertantly revert the previous fix to the Vitrified Souls drop chance? Today on PSNA I'm back to only getting 1 or 2 vitrified souls from an entire Siege Camp incursion not being an uncommon occurance.

spartaxoxo · October 29

Are the missing bosses for the Writhing Wall event ever going to be addressed? It is not even in the known issues post. It's pretty time sensitive.

Aylish · October 29

Something definitely messed with the drop of souls again!

LootAllTheStuff · 1:34AM

Aylish wrote: »

Something definitely messed with the drop of souls again!

What platform? They do seem to run alternately hot and cold: yesterday was bad for me, but today at the Worm Cult camp just before the PD in the The Rift, vitrified souls were dropping like candy on Halloween.

dcrush · 2:30AM

PC NA - took me 73 kills to get 15 RNGified souls and 38 kills to get 8 animal fats.

I’m guessing it’s some management decision to flat out refuse to make these things guaranteed drops. They’re quest items, you can’t sell them, there’s no profit or anything to be made from them. It seems that when ZOS runs out of ways to keep people playing the game for fun they use these methods to inflate in-game time.

scrappy1342 · 2:46AM

Aylish wrote: »

Something definitely messed with the drop of souls again!

did not get a single one from dolmens today. 2 different accounts. gave up and ported to coldharbour and had better luck there.

mattaeus01b16_ESO · 6:53AM

Not sure why PC/NA is sucking so bad at this event. At this rate, we will not see part 2 until early November.

5 hours farming dailies every day is not fun. Not that I had anything else to do. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
(the 5 hours is taking into account me spacing out at staring at the walls for what seems like... forever)

Any insight on why? Because it seems like the zone is full of questers, judging by my lag.

shadyjane62 · 8:12AM

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Not sure why PC/NA is sucking so bad at this event. At this rate, we will not see part 2 until early November.

5 hours farming dailies every day is not fun. Not that I had anything else to do. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
(the 5 hours is taking into account me spacing out at staring at the walls for what seems like... forever)

Any insight on why? Because it seems like the zone is full of questers, judging by my lag.

I'm 11 years a sub and I stopped "questing" (grinding boring fetch quests) when they started fudging the numbers.

colossalvoids · 8:45AM

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Not sure why PC/NA is sucking so bad at this event. At this rate, we will not see part 2 until early November.

5 hours farming dailies every day is not fun. Not that I had anything else to do. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
(the 5 hours is taking into account me spacing out at staring at the walls for what seems like... forever)

Any insight on why? Because it seems like the zone is full of questers, judging by my lag.

People generally don't believe in a meter and doing stuff just getting a box, 3 of them or for alts exp. I honestly don't know a soul who is "doing their part", maybe some were the first day but after numbers started jumping around it's definitely affected people's perception, no matter if it's all fake or not.

Also the very idea of running for a carrot that's already there, fully implemented, fully payed by you already, being gated for at least some weeks can be borderline insulting for some to even consider participation in this.

Aylish · 8:56AM

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Aylish wrote: »

Something definitely messed with the drop of souls again!

What platform? They do seem to run alternately hot and cold: yesterday was bad for me, but today at the Worm Cult camp just before the PD in the The Rift, vitrified souls were dropping like candy on Halloween.

PC EU. Between U48 and Wednesday‘s hotfix maintenance, I got a decent amount of souls from the camps. After the hotfix I got only one soul quest done with six camps…

twisttop138 · 1:36PM

Syldras wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Must be that damn RNG. While disappointing, thank you for looking into it.

I have exactly the same problem, though. Okay drop rates for a few days, then nothing.

I feel you. I'm not the only one. We organized guild groups to go after these furnishings when they upped the drop rate. It was good for a couple days then poof. Nothing. Not the only weird thing to happen this event. Really I'd love to just see a real Mea Culpa. Hey we see you guys didn't like this one. We're making you fight over who gets the content they paid for already first. Wink.
But we hear you. Walls down. Here's a box with the rewards, here's the house that should've been the capstone reward for this event until they figured we could charge you 100 bucks for it. We'll do better.

spartaxoxo · 2:13PM

Ghishzor is not spawning on PSNA even though we hit phase 2

wolfie1.0. · 2:16PM

colossalvoids wrote: »

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Not sure why PC/NA is sucking so bad at this event. At this rate, we will not see part 2 until early November.

5 hours farming dailies every day is not fun. Not that I had anything else to do. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
(the 5 hours is taking into account me spacing out at staring at the walls for what seems like... forever)

Any insight on why? Because it seems like the zone is full of questers, judging by my lag.

People generally don't believe in a meter and doing stuff just getting a box, 3 of them or for alts exp. I honestly don't know a soul who is "doing their part", maybe some were the first day but after numbers started jumping around it's definitely affected people's perception, no matter if it's all fake or not.

Also the very idea of running for a carrot that's already there, fully implemented, fully payed by you already, being gated for at least some weeks can be borderline insulting for some to even consider participation in this.

Its not just the grind, its the grind with no incentive. The best rewards are paywalled and the pay walled rewards are lacking. Expectations, I feel were set high for PC-NA by both players and ZOS. It looks like everyone all around is disappointed.

tomofhyrule · 2:16PM

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Ghishzor is not spawning on PSNA even though we hit phase 2

The Ghish hotfix from a few weeks ago made it so his new spawn condition is phase 2 AND U48.

UrQuan · 2:18PM

mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »

Not sure why PC/NA is sucking so bad at this event. At this rate, we will not see part 2 until early November.

5 hours farming dailies every day is not fun. Not that I had anything else to do. BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
(the 5 hours is taking into account me spacing out at staring at the walls for what seems like... forever)

Any insight on why? Because it seems like the zone is full of questers, judging by my lag.

It's because the event is so underwhelming that we don't care.

UrQuan · 2:24PM

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Did today's hotfix inadvertantly revert the previous fix to the Vitrified Souls drop chance? Today on PSNA I'm back to only getting 1 or 2 vitrified souls from an entire Siege Camp incursion not being an uncommon occurance.

There wasn't a previous fix to the drop chance. They increased the drop rate, but there's a bug they found where the drop chance is inconsistent, and they can't fix it before the event ends:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We have also identified a technical bug resulting in some inconsistencies with quest item drops from monsters. While we are working on a fix, it will require more time and testing to fix than we can accomplish during this event.

This is why, since the beginning of the event, some people are reporting having the souls drop super fast from groups of mobs, sometimes being able to complete the 15 souls in 1 or 2 trash pulls, and sometimes you have to kill 10-20 mobs to have a single soul drop. Nothing changed with the other day's hotfix.