chokehold wrote: »

Frankly, I would probably quit and not look back if subclassing was removed now.

You dont need to lie here they are not gonna chanhe it back anyway. And even IF, you would accept it like the good customers we all are and accept all the stuff being done to us 😘

johnjetau wrote: »

Besides PVP sub-classing isn't a issue for any other aspect of this game.
If you still want a "pure" class you can still have one and it won't effect your game play.
Just say what this is really about and that's PVP.

wont effect your gameplay except that pure classes are weaker 😂

I would say temporarily roll it back and rework it through pts cycles then reintroduce it to live when it’s actually ready, instead of “testing in prod” as it were.

CoronHR wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

CoronHR wrote: »

i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.

that said, i hate the idea that we'll never get a new class, because with subclassing, that idea seems dead. so, if we had to do it all over again, i'd say no to subclassing and yes to a new class, but i just think it's too late

What exactly is the logic that subclassing means no new classes? That doesn't add up.

well, idk, it just seems unlikely now. maybe in a couple of years we'll have a new class? but i'm thinking -- why would zos release a new class? how would that work? a class that would immediately be subclassed? a class that would be a pure class that we'd play for a while, but would struggle to perform similarly as a subclass build? i feel like there are a lot of sticky points now to having a new class. they could release a new class, idk. but it immediately brings a lot of questions to my mind about how it would mix with subclassing. anyway, i'm sure there's an argument to be made that they'll of course release a new class, i just don't see it as being likely.

I totally agree with your comment here. What would a new class mean anymore? Just a shell to subclass with no identity.
New classes have always been strong at the start but it would not be fair on all other pure classes that have been nerfed to have a new pure class suddenly be the strongest.

Recent wrote: »

CoronHR wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

CoronHR wrote: »

i think the cat's out of the bag and there's no going back.

that said, i hate the idea that we'll never get a new class, because with subclassing, that idea seems dead. so, if we had to do it all over again, i'd say no to subclassing and yes to a new class, but i just think it's too late

What exactly is the logic that subclassing means no new classes? That doesn't add up.

well, idk, it just seems unlikely now. maybe in a couple of years we'll have a new class? but i'm thinking -- why would zos release a new class? how would that work? a class that would immediately be subclassed? a class that would be a pure class that we'd play for a while, but would struggle to perform similarly as a subclass build? i feel like there are a lot of sticky points now to having a new class. they could release a new class, idk. but it immediately brings a lot of questions to my mind about how it would mix with subclassing. anyway, i'm sure there's an argument to be made that they'll of course release a new class, i just don't see it as being likely.

I totally agree with your comment here. What would a new class mean anymore? Just a shell to subclass with no identity.
New classes have always been strong at the start but it would not be fair on all other pure classes that have been nerfed to have a new pure class suddenly be the strongest.

I will say that Subclassing does open one fun door for a new Class: each Class can now be considered as a set of three skill lines, so a new Class is essentially adding three interchangeable lines players could use. The biggest complaint we had before was that a new Class meant needing to start a new character, but now you totally could take those lines on an existing character (or build a new one if you’re me and totally want to make a new character for it). This also means that they wouldn’t need to add new character slots if they don’t have the data space for it, even though I do think they should.

There are a lot of fun ideas, but I do like the idea of a Dwemer Artificer with lines for summoning automata, traps and grenades, and tonal magic. It’d fit very nicely in the lore, offer tantalizing hints to the greatest series mystery without solving a thing, and also would allow players to further play with their builds. One of the most common requests from players is a “Bard” class like in D&D, except that’s not really a thing in the TES series, and a Class requires three lines and the capability to do all roles… but taking a single line of Tonal Magic to Subclass in might be exactly what people have in mind…

I’ll admit - I want a new Class more than anything. 2025 was a year of disappointment, and really only a new Class that I could explore would get me excited enough to throw down money for next year.

My big issue though is the fact that the current game balance is so appallingly bad, that adding anything new would just be adding gasoline to the fire. But I also don’t think the game could afford another year of nothing new while they balance things, considering how this year was received.

ESO_player123 wrote: »

JaxontheUnfortunate wrote: »

I would say temporarily roll it back and rework it through pts cycles then reintroduce it to live when it’s actually ready, instead of “testing in prod” as it were.

That would be terrible. People spent time leveling skill lines.

People also spent time playing this game the way its been before subclassing for over a decade. This is a poor argument.

Yes. After thousands of hours in this game, almost all achievements and cp 3600 I stopped playing the game. All my chars with different classes feel useless now.

Honestly, I think you can enjoy subclassing and still understand how it - in its current condition - is bad for the game such that you can take the position that it should be rolled back. The further narrowing of metas, the lack of combat balance in both PVE and PVP, the fact that it renders alternative characters pretty much useless unless you want a character of a different race. These are all things players typically DON'T like in the long run.

Yes, it is fun to be overpowered - for a time. But when there is no challenge left in the game, the devs will need to take a hard look at how they make content. Without some severe balancing choices, you can expect to see bosses with frequent health gating mechanics, or insane healing mechanics, or disgusting amounts of health so that the encounter is not over in 30 seconds, increased use of one-hit-kill mechanics to further simulate difficulty, Teleporting bosses that are difficult to hit, or bosses with phases that feature a massive amount of hard to kill minions. Nobody really enjoys these kinds of mechanics, but with unchecked powercreep, you can expect these kinds of changes - and that is just in the PVE realm.

The alternative is to bring subclassing more into balance, which is going to make all of the fun builds you guys are enjoying right now much weaker. Will you still enjoy subclassing then?