Torc of the Last Ayleid King DROP CHANCE TOO LOW???

BXR_Lonestar · July 22

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

katanagirl1 · July 22

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

Vulkunne · July 22

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Hi all,

Been trying to farm the new mythic on live - 8 hours in so far. It has not gone well to say the least. I've done every side room that has appeared, killed multiple loot goblins and earned in the process over 46,000 Archival Fortunes. With that said, I have only 1 lead for the mythic which came from a quest reward within there. My friend has also joined for at least have that time and too has issues - not got a single lead in that entire time.

Are other people having issues with these leads and if so what solutions, if any, are there?

Thanks,
Dan

Hi OP,

Yeah, this was a tough one. I'm not saying you don't but my experience here was this has to be something you want and you're not going to find it from one day out looking for it.

Witha that said, yeah it took me a considerable amount of time to find all (5) leads (this was prior to the IA revamp) so by now I have no radar on how hard it might be to find these now and also never found another one again. Those side portals can really make you or break you, especially not winning them. Cause if you lose its like, "well what could have been".

BXR_Lonestar · July 23

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

That one is not that bad. I'd think the Daedric Octopus would be worse tbh.

Do you play alone? I know that having a decent partner really makes a difference in these stages.

Desiato · July 23

At the end of vMA/vDSA/vVH grinds and especially Dungeons, I am DONE with the content. I am so sick of it and need a LONG time out before I could possibly enjoy them again, which is unlikely. And I liked that content.. at first.

I can only deal with so much repetition.

Well, for IA that happened after the first playthrough. And I did well. It is inherently repetitious. So it's unrealistic they have gated SO much behind it thinking that randomizing elements of it would make it infinitely enjoyable to all players.

On top of that, it grates me because another thing I _hate_ in ESO is easy combat. It is pure tedium. The challenge for me when I ride my mount through overland areas is avoiding painful tedium by agroing something. I can't understand why IA has to ramp up and why there aren't vet and normal versions.

Actually, I do understand it, and it has nothing to do with gameplay. It's because it was designed to be a big time sink accessible to all.

It's actually painful for me to play it. Not because it's hard, but because it's easy, repetitious and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Just a looooooong, boring tunnel.

Nemesis7884 · July 23

You can always have bad or good luck with these drop rates why I would - for items with very low drop rates - work with a system where the drop rates increases every time you dont get a drop until you do and then it resets. This way at least you know your working towards something...

allochthons · July 23

I hate to say it, but it's just bad RNG. I have something like 5 Torcs on my main account. The torc leads drop like water for me on that account. But on my alt account, I went 18 (a full eighteen!) arcs before getting a book for Restoring the Resurrected, which is needed for one of the achievements. While I was making those runs, my IA partners were getting books every few stages.

RNG really, really needs to be weighted.

katanagirl1 · July 24

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

That one is not that bad. I'd think the Daedric Octopus would be worse tbh.

Do you play alone? I know that having a decent partner really makes a difference in these stages.

Yeah the hubby is not great at situational awareness, I tasked him with just interrupting her but it still didn’t work. She does the portal thing right before and he can’t find her in time. He’s a casual player and was just trying to help me out. He got burned out on ESO so I’m just skipping those.

Point is, any player can get stuck on any of them and not be able to get drops from side rooms.

DenverRalphy · July 24

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

That one is not that bad. I'd think the Daedric Octopus would be worse tbh.

Do you play alone? I know that having a decent partner really makes a difference in these stages.

Yeah the hubby is not great at situational awareness, I tasked him with just interrupting her but it still didn’t work. She does the portal thing right before and he can’t find her in time. He’s a casual player and was just trying to help me out. He got burned out on ESO so I’m just skipping those.

Point is, any player can get stuck on any of them and not be able to get drops from side rooms.

Aramril isn't so bad with an Oakensorc HA build. Azandar as tank, and keep Hardened Ward 100% uptime. When crystal pops drop an Ulti on it then immediately go and bash/interrupt Aramril, back to crystal and destroy it (easy with ulti already on it). Then it's easy to control the battlefield while you wail on her (I let splash damage from HA's work on the adds) until the 2nd crystal pops, then repeat. Maybe bring a self heal if Critical Surge isn't keeping you topped off.

Thumbless_Bot · July 24

I think it's fine. Too much solo content in this game is too easy. IA is not too tough but takes practice to get used to the side games including the duel. But once you get the mechanics it is fairly straightforward.

Get to a point where you can get through two arcs, rinse and repeat. Do this every day and you'll have all the leads in a month or two. Yes, it takes time to achieve, but that's what achievements are. You can't buy them with a credit card, you have to earn them.

Koshka · July 24

I sometimes feel like Eso is sentient and enjoys trolling us. I've gotten this mythic in 2 runs I think?..and meanwhile, I only have 1 copy of that fancy stained glass window despite killing countless dragons.
Must be because I don't need this necklace . I really wish I could sell leads lol.

Desiato · July 24

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I think it's fine. Too much solo content in this game is too easy. IA is not too tough but takes practice to get used to the side games including the duel. But once you get the mechanics it is fairly straightforward.

Get to a point where you can get through two arcs, rinse and repeat. Do this every day and you'll have all the leads in a month or two. Yes, it takes time to achieve, but that's what achievements are. You can't buy them with a credit card, you have to earn them.

Sorry, that's just not reasonable to me. Grinding the same generic content every day for two months -- !!! -- even if it is somewhat randomized.

Like seriously, after one run when it was a month or two old, I was done with it. and I did well, with a decent leaderboard ranking in a general overland dps build I used to solo dlc worldbosses. It was just super uninteresting. Two months of it would be actual pain for me.

Keep in mind, I did the arena grinds, vet trials, dungeons, etc... I'm not entirely opposed to grinding, but IA is over the top. First because of the sheer number of items that drop there, and secondly it is repetitious by design. At least other arenas had interesting, diverse themes I could appreciate. I think the artwork is well done in a technical sense, but it is pain to my brain to process because it is so generic by design.

For the record, I also couldn't play the original diablo for the same reason.

ZOS went too far with this.

Thumbless_Bot · July 24

Desiato wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

I think it's fine. Too much solo content in this game is too easy. IA is not too tough but takes practice to get used to the side games including the duel. But once you get the mechanics it is fairly straightforward.

Get to a point where you can get through two arcs, rinse and repeat. Do this every day and you'll have all the leads in a month or two. Yes, it takes time to achieve, but that's what achievements are. You can't buy them with a credit card, you have to earn them.

Sorry, that's just not reasonable to me. Grinding the same generic content every day for two months -- !!! -- even if it is somewhat randomized.

Like seriously, after one run when it was a month or two old, I was done with it. and I did well, with a decent leaderboard ranking in a general overland dps build I used to solo dlc worldbosses. It was just super uninteresting. Two months of it would be actual pain for me.

Keep in mind, I did the arena grinds, vet trials, dungeons, etc... I'm not entirely opposed to grinding, but IA is over the top. First because of the sheer number of items that drop there, and secondly it is repetitious by design. At least other arenas had interesting, diverse themes I could appreciate. I think the artwork is well done in a technical sense, but it is pain to my brain to process because it is so generic by design.

For the record, I also couldn't play the original diablo for the same reason.

ZOS went too far with this.

Then dont do it. Move on to things you enjoy.

When I got my ebony wolf mount or whatever it's called i had to do volenfell over 30 times to get the lead there... one single lead. That wasn't fun but I did it because I wanted it.

Desiato · July 25

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Then dont do it. Move on to things you enjoy.

When I got my ebony wolf mount or whatever it's called i had to do volenfell over 30 times to get the lead there... one single lead. That wasn't fun but I did it because I wanted it.

That's exactly what I do.

Yet, it was clearly positioned in part for 'end game' players because of what drops there, and I think it fails at that, at least for part of the audience.

I'm not trying to ruin your fun or asking for any encounter to be made less difficult. I hope the infinite version continues to exist for players like you who seem to enjoy grinding it every day.

So I'm going to leave my feedback hoping they one day implement a more challenging finite version in which the combat oriented items drop within a more reasonable time span than months of daily grinding.

I would love a "vet" version that eliminates the easy arcs in which combat oriented drops can be collected within a timeframe similar to that of other arenas. That seems like a fair request to me.

I don't care about anything cosmetic that may drop there. I don't even know what it might be. But I do care about combat parity and I don't think the grind is appropriate for combat focused players.

React · July 25

Just wanna add my experience since this thread came up again.

I have probably done around 30 hours or so of infinite archive since this mythic was introduced. Mostly arcs 1-3 while farming for gear, so opening quite a few chests. I have never once received a single lead for this mythic.

Idk if it's bugged or just bad RNG, pretty insane though.

BretonMage · July 25

I did manage to get the Torc during the period where I did IA daily, but I have never managed to get the second (nevermind third) copy of the Infinite Tome.

The grinding for leads in West Weald is also absolutely bonkers. It really puts me off playing, since I feel like nothing I do makes a difference anymore.

Djennku · July 25

Tip: hold onto any leads you get to drop from there so it thins to pool of potential drops. Digging anything up puts it back into the pool of potential lead drops. Some people will argue this as hearsay, but I have 100% confirmed it multiple times in more than one place (ie. Treasure chest leads and IA itself), and it's how I got all IA leads fairly quickly myself, granted, I needed to go farm them again one new stuff got added.

If you are on PC (don't know about cosole right now), you can get the addon Display Leads, and it'll list all the leads you need.

Good luck hunting!!

EDIT: Keep in mind, RNG is still RNG, but holding onto unneeded leads guarantees the next drop is one you do not have, and the important part: there is no such thing as having too many leads. The only thing in the game preventing you from getting a lead is if you have ovtained it but haven't dug it up or conpleted the set in the case of mythics.

BXR_Lonestar · July 25

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

That one is not that bad. I'd think the Daedric Octopus would be worse tbh.

Do you play alone? I know that having a decent partner really makes a difference in these stages.

Yeah the hubby is not great at situational awareness, I tasked him with just interrupting her but it still didn’t work. She does the portal thing right before and he can’t find her in time. He’s a casual player and was just trying to help me out. He got burned out on ESO so I’m just skipping those.

Point is, any player can get stuck on any of them and not be able to get drops from side rooms.

If you are on XBOX NA I can help you out. I'll PM you my GT. Otherwise, you might have to lease hubby on the sidelines and get a more capable partner to get you over the hump on that one. I don't find her to be that difficult unless you are later in a run, but you do need to have one party stay on her and the other party keeping watch for crystals.

I know a lot of people hate the archive, but I actually really like running it.

katanagirl1 · July 25

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I personally love IA, but yeah, if anyone is grinding out to get the Torc after they added the Daedric Jewelry Station and other leads into IA, then be prepared to be grinding for a couple of months.

I got my leads all in one run when I ran with a guildmate all the way to Arc 9+. But since they added in a ton of other leads and other things that can drop in IA, it will literally take you MONTHS of grinding to get the Torc now.

At the very least, they should make Torc leads (and only torc leads) drop only from the little side-event portals that happen in IA, so people know where to focus their efforts and it would limit the drop pool for the targeted event. That would be a huge help. And it will still be difficult to get because if you have finished buying all the extra IA buffs, you are permanently at the most difficult levels for all of the side events (looking at you Daedric Octopus), so you won't complete them every time.

This would be very bad for players like me who are stuck at the Theater of War level 5 and can’t get past it. That one comes up about 19/20 times for me now. I have the others completed.

EDIT: typo

That one is not that bad. I'd think the Daedric Octopus would be worse tbh.

Do you play alone? I know that having a decent partner really makes a difference in these stages.

Yeah the hubby is not great at situational awareness, I tasked him with just interrupting her but it still didn’t work. She does the portal thing right before and he can’t find her in time. He’s a casual player and was just trying to help me out. He got burned out on ESO so I’m just skipping those.

Point is, any player can get stuck on any of them and not be able to get drops from side rooms.

If you are on XBOX NA I can help you out. I'll PM you my GT. Otherwise, you might have to lease hubby on the sidelines and get a more capable partner to get you over the hump on that one. I don't find her to be that difficult unless you are later in a run, but you do need to have one party stay on her and the other party keeping watch for crystals.

I know a lot of people hate the archive, but I actually really like running it.

Thanks for the offer but I’m on PS NA. I was just lending some support to OP and agreeing that it is a difficult fight, especially if you don’t have a tanky build for IA. Something about those giant mosquitoes is getting me killed.

Djennku · July 25

That 'secret' is definitely a dance that tkes time to learn, which requires practice.

My advice would be to pace yourself so you aren't overwhelmed with too many mechs at once.

Crystals are at 90% and 50% health. The minis spawn at 75%, 50-45%, and 30% iirc.

The 'flame shaping' mechanic happens in 30 second intervals.

She usually teleports across the room, and I have found the initial port can sometimes be directed if you face her butt where you want her to go, but I'm not 100% sure if that is part of her mechs, just basing it off observation.

(There are a few bosses with similar mechs like the harpy from Dreadsail, where she will retreat in the direction behind her, and you can use that to tactfully position her, although that boss sometimes turns around to hit players and if the timing is off run off in the wrong direction because she's facing the wrong way when the mech goes off)

The tactic I use is to get her to 90, wait for her to port/channel, then immediately go hit the crystal dead before damaging her again. Then pace her until she spawns the first mini at 75%, and while keeping an eye on her for interrupts (try to stay near her so you can reach), focus the mini until it too is dead.

If you are watching the mini closely, get in the practice of blocking when it throws its head up, and you can prevent the stun/pull from hitting you. I personally don't bring it too close to her so when she puts up her shield, the mini isn't affected.

Rinse and repeat for the second crystal and mini, as there's a very narrow window and they can spawn on top of each other. Crystal takes priority, but if you have some aoe, you can damage them both together.

After that, pace yourself until the third mini spawns. Kill it like the others.

Keeping on top of the interrupts is the only other thing you want to pay attention for. If you watch her she will very obviously hold her arm down then raise it in the air. When you see her going for the 'yush!' pose, that's your queue.

Hope this helps and best of luck! It will take practice to get it into muscle memory, but you got this!