In my case the dungeon tool is only used to determine which random dungeon is played, not the group's composition.

Such a blanket change would adversely affect players like me who pre-form groups - and I did not buy extra character slots nor level characters not to be able to use them.

So, definitive no thanks on 1/day/account as per OP suggestion.

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

One thing that has irritated the ever loving **** out of me since I started playing ESO is getting into a random normal dungeon and having one or more players rush to the final boss as fast as they can skipping multiple bosses and other content because "they have so many characters that they just NEED to run dungeons on." In the overwhelming majority of cases it winds up taking longer to skip content than to just do everything with the possible exception of Fungal Grotto I. Fungal Grotto II is fastest when EVERYTHING is completed and NOTHING is skipped. Proven every single time someone tries to skip content only for everyone to be left waiting at the final boss because someone forgot to complete the triggering sequence for the final boss to spawn.

Anywho...I have a solution suggestion that should fix this issue: make the bonus XP account wide so that no mater what character we use to run our random daily dungeon the bonus is awarded just the one time. This way no one will feel the need to bother with running multiple daily dungeons to get the bonus on as many characters as they can. Given account wise achievements it just makes sense to make the daily dungeon bonus account wide, too. Same for the daily battleground. One and done. No more frantic selfish players scrambling to run daily dungeons on 150 characters across 50 accounts.

This should also leave more time for players to focus on their favorite character once subclassing goes live.

I love this idea. ZOS - please make it happen. Thank you.

Unfortunately, that would kill the queue for specific dungeons. The daily random dungeon incentives are there to help players seeking a specific dungeon find a party.

Playing the dungeon as intended is the exception, while speed-running is the rule. It should be the reverse.

At the very least, I would prefer they setup barriers (closed doors, magical barriers, invisible walls, etc) between areas when at least one member of the party is doing the quest, to allow time to do the quest.

tincanman wrote: »

zos have already provided solutions and implicit responses to this arguable problem:

• vote-to-kick or quit options once in a group a player finds unsuitable.
• guilds/friend lists with which to pre-group with like-minded players to remove the ambiguity of behaviour/objectives with randoms
• an improved group finder where group parameters can be set (objective, type speed etc). It's not perfect and needs a sub-50th level filter but seems otherwise utilitarian.
• an implementation of a 'join encounter in progress' which strongly implies zos favours groups clearing instances quickly, since the rate determining step is now always the lead (positionally in dungeon/furthest ahead) player.

No one uses the vote-to-kick option, especially not new players just getting into the game. This burden should not fall on new players, they should get to experience the content as it was designed, not have it forcibly skipped by speed runners.

I completely understand where the OP is coming from in their opinion. As a player who couldn't care less about loot and drops, I enjoy investigating and slowly, methodically, making my way through each area of the world where I find myself. I play ESO because it is first an Elder Scrolls experience and secondly an MMO. I thoathe traditional MMOs for the reasons the OP listed in their argument. MMOs feel like playing with a bunch of people who act in selfish and abusive ways simply to get a fictitious item that has no bearing on real life at all. These people often have a distorted sense of reality and somehow think what they accomplish in the game translates to their self-worth in the real simulation in which we get to exist without screens. It is quite the culture we find ourselves in when people spend hours chasing things for a home that they do not own or that even exists, when I walk by people who have no home each day in my community. Perhaps our gaming communities have a slight entitlement problem.

My solution to this problem is to play the game how I get the most joy and stays out of the way of the maniacs who have to chase their fix at the expense of casual gamers. Unfortunately, this also causes an elitist attitude within the community. Many who chase dragons will blame casual gamers for ruining their game and try to bully us back to tabletop or single-player games. I choose not to put myself in toxic environments such as bars, gyms, and random MMO groups, so I get what I can from the game in the way I enjoy playing the game and leave the things that have no impact on my life to others to stress over.

This is where ESO has succeeded in every way, in my opinion. They have created a multi-user game that is single-player friendly and does not leave out the casual gamer. That is where I say good job to the developers and way to look at the entire gaming community rather than those who treat gaming as though it were a job.

People are not running the dungeons for account experience. Random normal speedruns are for transmute. Thus, the reasonable thing to do is increase transmute rewards from dungeon pledges and trials.

10 transmute stones for helping a new player complete the dungeon quest.

Problem is, make the queue less attractive to people and we'll just be back here with complaints that the queue is too long.

randconfig wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

zos have already provided solutions and implicit responses to this arguable problem:

• vote-to-kick or quit options once in a group a player finds unsuitable.
• guilds/friend lists with which to pre-group with like-minded players to remove the ambiguity of behaviour/objectives with randoms
• an improved group finder where group parameters can be set (objective, type speed etc). It's not perfect and needs a sub-50th level filter but seems otherwise utilitarian.
• an implementation of a 'join encounter in progress' which strongly implies zos favours groups clearing instances quickly, since the rate determining step is now always the lead (positionally in dungeon/furthest ahead) player.

No one uses the vote-to-kick option, especially not new players just getting into the game. This burden should not fall on new players, they should get to experience the content as it was designed, not have it forcibly skipped by speed runners.

Zos would appear to disagree: their implementation of the 'join encounter in progress' implies they are leaning in favour of faster throughput and clearing of instances. This 'feature' favours speed-runners over all else who are massively and arguably disproportionately enabled by it.

I am not saying it is right, but it is what it is. I did mention other options available to any player, including new ones, so dungeon runs need not be so rushed, if that is not desired.

Best advice to any player: join a guild or five until you find one or more that suits your needs, generally and in the context of this thread. And don't be afraid to speak up and ask for help.

Advice for improvement to zos: add a sub-50th level filter option to the 'Group Finder' tool. And give players searching for guilds better tools to find them: the current search capability is practically useless.

honestly, especially when doing random normals or pledges as part of your dailies, at times its just kinda nice when you have a rusher that just beams you from boss to boss while you dont have to do anything and can just sit there drinking your morning coffee

DenverRalphy wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

randconfig wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

zos have already provided solutions and implicit responses to this arguable problem:

• vote-to-kick or quit options once in a group a player finds unsuitable.
• guilds/friend lists with which to pre-group with like-minded players to remove the ambiguity of behaviour/objectives with randoms
• an improved group finder where group parameters can be set (objective, type speed etc). It's not perfect and needs a sub-50th level filter but seems otherwise utilitarian.
• an implementation of a 'join encounter in progress' which strongly implies zos favours groups clearing instances quickly, since the rate determining step is now always the lead (positionally in dungeon/furthest ahead) player.

No one uses the vote-to-kick option, especially not new players just getting into the game. This burden should not fall on new players, they should get to experience the content as it was designed, not have it forcibly skipped by speed runners.

Zos would appear to disagree: their implementation of the 'join encounter in progress' implies they are leaning in favour of faster throughput and clearing of instances. This 'feature' favours speed-runners over all else who are massively and arguably disproportionately enabled by it.

The 'join encounter in proress' mechanic' was inserted to solve the problem of group members getting locked out of the fight if they weren't within the boss arena when Johny-Couldn't-Wait decides to aggro the boss. Not to encourage dragging players ahead against their will.

Source?

edit: In any event, they must have realised and recognised the effect of this feature implementation and how it would be (ab)used in/by randoms. The implication of faster throughput/instance clearance by design remains conspicuously self-evident, even if it was not initially marketed as such.

tincanman wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

randconfig wrote: »

tincanman wrote: »

zos have already provided solutions and implicit responses to this arguable problem:

• vote-to-kick or quit options once in a group a player finds unsuitable.
• guilds/friend lists with which to pre-group with like-minded players to remove the ambiguity of behaviour/objectives with randoms
• an improved group finder where group parameters can be set (objective, type speed etc). It's not perfect and needs a sub-50th level filter but seems otherwise utilitarian.
• an implementation of a 'join encounter in progress' which strongly implies zos favours groups clearing instances quickly, since the rate determining step is now always the lead (positionally in dungeon/furthest ahead) player.

No one uses the vote-to-kick option, especially not new players just getting into the game. This burden should not fall on new players, they should get to experience the content as it was designed, not have it forcibly skipped by speed runners.

Zos would appear to disagree: their implementation of the 'join encounter in progress' implies they are leaning in favour of faster throughput and clearing of instances. This 'feature' favours speed-runners over all else who are massively and arguably disproportionately enabled by it.

The 'join encounter in proress' mechanic' was inserted to solve the problem of group members getting locked out of the fight if they weren't within the boss arena when Johny-Couldn't-Wait decides to aggro the boss. Not to encourage dragging players ahead against their will.

Source?

edit: In any event, they must have realised and recognised the effect of this feature implementation and how it would be (ab)used in/by randoms. The implication of faster throughput/instance clearance by design remains conspicuously self-evident, even if it was not initially marketed as such.

I’ve been locked out of a fight in WGT before joining encounter was added. Wasn’t fun having to stare through the door longingly for the entire fight duration.

The players taking part in this bad behavior would do it whether they had one character of the full twenty. Saying they have multiple characters is just an excuse they give to try and justify what they were going to do anyway. I've tossed out the idea that to get the daily rewards all bosses and 98% of the fodder has to die. Players will still speed run but at least they will have to pause a few times to let the fodder catch up to them to be killed. Doing this will for the most part allow players doing the quest to get everything done but the dialog.
I've kind of kicked around the idea that the entire group could gain extra rewards if one in the group completes the quest. Players could still be pushed to just quick click the conversations though by impatient group members. And not sure how feasible it would be to put something like this in.
I story mode would be nice but I don't see how it can be in any way associated with part of a random group. The other option is to allow a solo mode that is easier to complete but no rewards are given for killing bosses or completing the dungeon. Just the reward for finishing the quest and even then it shouldn't be equal to going normal with a group. Would this create a problem for the server though with all those private instances being open? If so they would have to maybe put a time limit on the instance and maybe only allow characters that haven't done the quest access to the story mode.

Sarannah wrote: »

Make dungeon quests a daily repeatable(minus the skillpoint one off), and tie the transmutes to the first dungeonquest completion of the day.

That way everyone has to run dungeons at the same pace. They would still be fast, just not stupid skip everything fast.

If the transmutes are once per day then people will still rush for daily XP chunk. Make that once per day, people will rush for gear or for leads or whatever they are after. Anything that makes people repeat dungeons (and thus allowing other people to find a group) unfortunately benefits from rushing.

But if the quests are repeatable then more people will have a chance to catch up on whatever story they are missing.

Orbital78 wrote: »

they could allow us to use 3 companions to do solo random normals on our own and not need to do randoms with other players anymore. More ways to easily get transmutes at a 10-25 count rate that doesn't require PVP or ToT would be great.

that defeats the purpose of why random queues were created. They were created to help players that want to run specific dungeons fill their group.

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

Orbital78 wrote: »

they could allow us to use 3 companions to do solo random normals on our own and not need to do randoms with other players anymore. More ways to easily get transmutes at a 10-25 count rate that doesn't require PVP or ToT would be great.

That wouldn't work, companions stick with the boss and don't do mechs (and die a lot as a result). How are you and 3 companions going to do Unhallowed Grave at the litch boss, or the furnace room with those mechs?

I know, just spitballing as most of the topic here isn't viable either. Normal UG is soloable to begin with (I can't think of anything limiting off hand), the companions would just be fodder. But they would have to improve the companion AI or remove some of the limiting mechs.

More ways to get transmutes in general so people don't do random dungeons would be ideal, you'll have to wait longer but the behavior you don't want will go away some. Then again some people WANT this behavior too, so it is kind of depending on the player. Using the group finder or preforming is really the only option, as far as I can tell.