StaticWave wrote: »

When you remove Streak from melee StamSorc's bar space and compare it to Warden and NB in a group setting, it's clear how underwhelming StamSorc is compared to Warden and NB:

Sorc:



Warden:


NB:



The empty slot on all 3 classes are for Contingency. All 3 classes have some form of AoE burst combo:

Sorc: Whirling Blades + Curse + Contingency
Warden: Whirling Blades + Deep Fissure + Contingency
NB: Contingency + Powered Extraction

NB has less AoE burst but it excels at single target damage and can deal big burst to a chosen target. Both Warden and Sorc deal similar AoE damage, but Warden does it better because Deep Fissure applies Major + Minor Breach and can be casted before a fight starts, whereas Curse requires the Sorc to already be in a fight. The fact that Fissure applies Major + Minor Breach on a delayed burst ability means your team does not need another person to apply those debuffs, allowing for better group optimization.

Both Warden and NB have access to a stun. Warden gets it via Class Script, and NB gets it via Mass Hysteria. Meanwhile, Sorc cannot have a stun because there is simply no bar space. You can't drop Surge because it's one of your main HoTs. You can't drop Quick Cloak either because it gives you Major Evasion and Expedition, which are both required for group fights. You also can't drop RaT either because you need a snare cleanse to deal with the amount of snares applied to you. You also cannot drop Vibrant Shroud either because it's your only reliable burst heal and your only form of AoE heal. You could drop Contingency, but that also means your AoE burst will now be less than a Warden's and your single target burst is also less than a NB's lol.

Utility wise, you cannot compete with Warden or NB either. Warden provides AoE Major + Minor Breach, an AoE burst heal and AoE HoT (Budding Seeds), a pseudo AoE burst heal (Polar Wind), and a pseudo AoE HoT (Lotus). You can also apply an AoE snare and AoE Major Protection with Northern Storm, arguably the best AoE ultimate in the game. NB isn't lacking behind either. It provides an AoE HoT and AoE Expedition (Refreshing Path), AoE damage mitigation (Major + Minor Cowardice), pseudo AoE burst heal (Healthy Offering), and a decent AoE synergy (Soul Tether). Meanwhile, Sorc literally only has Vibrant Shroud and Negate lol. Yes, Vibrant Shroud can compete with Polar Wind or Refreshing Path in terms of group utility with AoE burst heal, AoE Major Maim, and AoE Minor Vitality, and Negate can facilitate a group wipe when used correctly. However, these skills aren't going to bring Sorc on par with Warden and NB. You'd have to clean up bar space issue for Sorc to truly be a competitive option in a group setting without Streak.

That is why competitive PvPers rarely include Sorc in the group as a required member because NB is just flat out better than Sorc in terms of utility. With hybridization, you don't need to stack both Minor Savagery and Minor Prophecy, you just need 1 of the 2. If Streak isn't in the equation, why even bother with Sorc at all when NB gives you more?

I would like to pick this apart, but I really can not be bothered to go over every point. You are conflating so many different setups and abilities to somehow justify Streaks power. You run redudant Major Exp. sources with Quick Cloak and RaT even though both Major Evasion and Snare Removal can be sourced from multiple different sources - prominently BoL comes to mind for the latter*, not even mentioning the plethora of options you would have to restructure your buff sources with an additional scribing skill. You somehow make this about a group scenario where AoE heal is required (reason for Vibrant) and still you say Surge is essential, as if you won't receive heal from your team mates/a scribing AoE shield wouldn't be much more group-effective and have the option to provide the same buff (not even talking about pots or actual team mates with buffs). You put Dark Deal there as 4th Healing/sustain abiltiy and didn't even afford NB Siphoning. You just come up with a suboptimal bar layout with arbitrary benchmarks for buffs, where it isn't clear if that is supposed to be a group oriented/solo or tradeoff-build between both and then you claim that Sorc has the worst options of the three compared classes.
It is absolutely OK to weigh the power of abilities against each other in a wider context, but you created such a needlessly complex scenario that it is almost impossible to make fair conclusions without writing a 50-page assay. These are examples of what someone can choose to run, but ultimately completely arbitrary. Basically comparing apples and oranges.
And why? Because you still feel that adjusting Streak means deleting Streak? This whole post proves nothing when it comes to the power of Streak and is at best obfuscating the debate.

*You don't need to explain what the advantages of RaT over BoL are, but it is a bit ironic that the ability that you defending would be so much more preferable over its other morph. Those Glyph ticks from the Cloak must be too juicy to get your bar space in order.

StaticWave wrote: »

Like, I'm a 1vX stamsorc main and my experience everyday using Streak is vastly different from what people claim it to be on the forums. It's almost like we aren't even playing the same game. Literally just yesterday me and @MincMincMinc were being zerged by 15 people who had chains, gap closers, built max speed, and it was borderline impossible to escape from them even with Streak.

If Streak is that powerful then why am I unable to escape from the people using those counters? It almost makes me think that the people opposing Streak are the same people being killed by magsorc 1vXers and are now complaining about Streak on the forums. It makes the most sense the more you think about it because from a 1vXer stand point, Streak is not a reliable form of escape at all.

sounds like a skill issue to me.

Tinkerhorn wrote: »

The answer to nerfing streak might be best served by just broadening CC immunity. I don't know how people would feel about extending CC immunity to 10 seconds as I appreciate often CC is a means of breaking stalemates and dragging down someones stam but CC in general just seems to be a problem at the moment or rather the many forms of aoe and unblockable CC. A well timed CC will be a well timed CC regardless of immunity time.
Was in a BG against 4 sorcs, 2 dks, a nb, and a warden running RoA and charmed and between the streak spam, frequent leaps, occassional fear and charmed and the odd RoA which struggled to pull often as everyone was living on CC immunity it was just a very unfun experience. Didn't even lose the BG but running in a game where you feel you have very little control of your character because of what felt like collatoral CC where you're not even being targetted specifically is just unenjoyable. A pot of immovability is little consolation especially when builds/classes have to depend on pots for other buffs. It's also another reason ranged>melee. Over the years it definitely feels like CC has bloated a lot.

This is certainly a greater issue with the modern game design. The combat team seems to have forgotten that hard counterplay mechanics need to be clearly shown. So many CCs currently either have no animation or telegraph, or have delayed animations that are unclear. Just to name a few:

• offbalance
• Immov poisons
• Warden charm
• Rush of agony

Honestly this probably heavily impacts the unresponsive nature of pvp combat. Combat will never feel responsive if your character seems to slump over without being hit by anything.

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Look at old dizzy swing. There was a clear 1.2-1.5s swing animation that was clear to see. If you failed to somehow counter it the swing carried upwards and threw your character into the air. This was so perfectly clear and telegraphed. Now adays with the offbalance terrible design:

• You dont know when you are offbalanced
• you dont know what or when the cooldown is
• you dont know when dizzy will snare you
• you dont know when the stun will happen because the stun is not tied to a gcd or animation
• you dont know who is doing the stun because anyone can do a medium attack.

Atleast vengeance seems to have made combat more clear and competitive by nature. Hopefully they bring back the old dizzy design because it was truly loved by 2h players.

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Tinkerhorn wrote: »

The answer to nerfing streak might be best served by just broadening CC immunity. I don't know how people would feel about extending CC immunity to 10 seconds as I appreciate often CC is a means of breaking stalemates and dragging down someones stam but CC in general just seems to be a problem at the moment or rather the many forms of aoe and unblockable CC. A well timed CC will be a well timed CC regardless of immunity time.
Was in a BG against 4 sorcs, 2 dks, a nb, and a warden running RoA and charmed and between the streak spam, frequent leaps, occassional fear and charmed and the odd RoA which struggled to pull often as everyone was living on CC immunity it was just a very unfun experience. Didn't even lose the BG but running in a game where you feel you have very little control of your character because of what felt like collatoral CC where you're not even being targetted specifically is just unenjoyable. A pot of immovability is little consolation especially when builds/classes have to depend on pots for other buffs. It's also another reason ranged>melee. Over the years it definitely feels like CC has bloated a lot.

This is certainly a greater issue with the modern game design. The combat team seems to have forgotten that hard counterplay mechanics need to be clearly shown. So many CCs currently either have no animation or telegraph, or have delayed animations that are unclear. Just to name a few:

• offbalance
• Immov poisons
• Warden charm
• Rush of agony

Honestly this probably heavily impacts the unresponsive nature of pvp combat. Combat will never feel responsive if your character seems to slump over without being hit by anything.

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Look at old dizzy swing. There was a clear 1.2-1.5s swing animation that was clear to see. If you failed to somehow counter it the swing carried upwards and threw your character into the air. This was so perfectly clear and telegraphed. Now adays with the offbalance terrible design:

• You dont know when you are offbalanced
• you dont know what or when the cooldown is
• you dont know when dizzy will snare you
• you dont know when the stun will happen because the stun is not tied to a gcd or animation
• you dont know who is doing the stun because anyone can do a medium attack.

Atleast vengeance seems to have made combat more clear and competitive by nature. Hopefully they bring back the old dizzy design because it was truly loved by 2h players.

The only "cc" I agree with you here is RoA, every other one does have a decent telegraph. The Warden Charm actually got visually updated 2-3 patches ago (the patch after Goldroad iirc, don´t quote me on that one tho) so it´s became way easier to see. But outside of RoA all of those cc´s/roots can be visualized by using a debuff tracker, either the in-game one or through addons (if you´re on PC), especially the ones that has to do with off-balance.The moment you see OB on your debuff bar you should be aware that a med-weave stun/snare can occur + it adds another layer of tactic with off-gcd stuns to setup certain combos etc, which isn´t bad for the game as a whole imo. There is also an in-game explanation in the "Help" section explaining what the off-balance effect does and how it works, so the information exists in game.

And I do find it kinda funny how you keep bringing up old dizzying swing as a good example, when that skill back in the day was probably the top 3 buggiest/clunkier stuns to break free from (due to hit having a knock-up many years ago, and you couldn´t break free until your character hit the floor). Only CC that was more abusive was reverb bash which could completely glitch your character out more often than not.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You are conflating so many different setups and abilities to somehow justify Streaks power.

I’m showing you group setups for each class

Yes and for what? Was my conclusion there wrong? Wasn't that the premise of the previous posts?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You run redudant Major Exp. sources with Quick Cloak and RaT even though both Major Evasion and Snare Removal can be sourced from multiple different sources - prominently BoL comes to mind for the latter*, not even mentioning the plethora of options you would have to restructure your buff sources with an additional scribing skill.

Those Glyph ticks from the Cloak must be too juicy to get your bar space in order.

- Major Expedition is redundant because you need Quick Cloak for Major Evasion, an AoE DoT for extra Surge proc chance, and RaT for a snare cleanse + immunity
- BoL is a selfish skill and does not provide group utility. You need an AoE stun, meaning you still need that 3rd slot for said stun. Quick Cloak + RaT + Streak is more effective than Quick Cloak + BoL + some stun. You are essentially wasting the same 3 slots by shuffling skills around and losing efficiency.
- I did restructure my buff with scribing. I am putting Major Prophecy on Contingency and have it deal AoE damage, essentially making it better than if I were to slot Camo Hunter

This is what drives me crazy with your style of argumentation. It is obvious why you choose to run those, you don't need to spell it out. The Pros and Cons are clear and even if you include streak in your setup you will have gains/losses. You are treating the evaluation of your build like a shopping list with buffs or effects that you want and that other classes may access more easily, while always completely brushing over the value you get from the things you have. Yes, some setups do certain things more effectively then others, big surprise. You say here "You need an AoE stun", but in your exact example above that is still the Dawnbreaker. You just shift the context of the discussion to make these trivial arguments to somehow fit your narrative. And the point about being selfish to discredit an abiltiy is laughable. Tell me about the great group benefits of DD and Surge.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You somehow make this about a group scenario where AoE heal is required (reason for Vibrant) and still you say Surge is essential, as if you won't receive heal from your team mates/a scribing AoE shield wouldn't be much more group-effective and have the option to provide the same buff (not even talking about pots or actual team mates with buffs).

- Nothing in the scribing skill line can replace Surge at the moment unfortunately. Surge is your Major Brutality buff, which is also your other main HoT. During a group fight you’re going to be proccing it non stop with Hurricane + Quick Cloak and it will often be top 2 HPS, just below Vigor. It is an ESSENTIAL skill lol.
- Just because I am receiving heals from teammates doesn’t mean I should drop my self heals and be completely dependent on my team. What happens when one of them dies and can’t provide off heals to me?

Again, trivial information. Everyone know what Surge does for you and what it does not. Same point as above about "selfish" abilities and group utility. Pick one. Do you feel entitled to have a build that does it all? Isn't Surge good enough at what it does to admit Sorc has a good thing there which isn't Streak?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You put Dark Deal there as 4th Healing/sustain abiltiy and didn't even afford NB Siphoning.

- NB doesn’t need Siphoning… Sustain is a joke on NB
- Dark Deal isn’t just a sustain skill. It’s also giving Minor Berserk and Minor Force. Siphoning doesn’t provide any dmg buffs. That is the main reason why you have Dark Deal on Sorc and not Siphoning on NB.

Yeah because without the very rare buff minor force that isn't already on RaT the entire build falls apart. Sure. You know the ability you can slot instead will also have effects, even minor Berserk? And funnily enough, wasn't there the most enormous uproar about the Siphoning changes? Confusing how things go on this forum sometimes. Is this the point where we are supposed to overanalyze these vaguely related abilities?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You just come up with a suboptimal bar layout with arbitrary benchmarks for buffs, where it isn't clear if that is supposed to be a group oriented/solo or tradeoff-build between both and then you claim that Sorc has the worst options of the three compared classes.

- These bar setups are used by top tier small scalers and GvGers. Are you saying their bar setups are subpar? Lol

If you try to twist my words at least make the effort to understand them before. I call your layout subpar, because you clearly seem to be unsatisfied with the volume of benefits you are getting, while there are choices you can make to cover the remaining needs more effectively (granted you are being honest with what you have and what you want).
People can run whatever they like, whatever works for them and their specific circumstances. Whether they are the self declared FotM kings of a 10 year old video game or just peasants trying to have fun.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

It is absolutely OK to weigh the power of abilities against each other in a wider context, but you created such a needlessly complex scenario that it is almost impossible to make fair conclusions without writing a 50-page assay. These are examples of what someone can choose to run, but ultimately completely arbitrary. Basically comparing apples and oranges.
And why? Because you still feel that adjusting Streak means deleting Streak? This whole post proves nothing when it comes to the power of Streak and is at best obfuscating the debate.

*You don't need to explain what the advantages of RaT over BoL are, but it is a bit ironic that the ability that you defending would be so much more preferable over its other morph.

- That would be true for casual PvP, but not sweaty PvP. There are meta builds and meta comps for a reason. I am simply giving you one of the meta bar setups for those 3 classes at the highest level. You don’t need a 50-page essay to come to a conclusion that Warden and NB are better than Sorc because they in fact are better. It’s like saying you need a 50-page essay to conclude that Rallying Cry is the best option for solo PvP. Just by looking at the 5th bonus everyone can see that it’s giving 2 sets worth of stats.
- I specifically stated that any negative adjustments made to Streak will make the class even more unfavorable in a group setting. Who cares if it excels at solo PvP? PvP at the highest level revolves around GvG, small scale, and organized ball groups. The only Sorc you’re going to find in those groups is a Negate bot, nothing more, nothing less.

That is exactly what I think. You can recognize the power of Rallying Cry at face value. You didn't have to make a 3-class build comparison to figure that out, opening up endless alleyways for needless arguments (as shown above). Somehow I can recognize the value of Streak the same way.

Who cares if something excels at Solo PvP? I do. Even if You do not seek it you deliberately, many situations devolve momentarily into 1v1 or other small scale scenarios, where it absolutely matters how good the 1v1 balancing is.
Is your choice of class so closely tied to the ranking of relative performance in a completely player driven group scenario? How many stuns are you trying to land on the same enemy? How many layers of of Major Cowardice and Major Maim does each target need? When does Negate become exponentially more valuable than other support contributions? How much more overheal do you need on your character until you can ditch one warden friend? These types of vague comparisons can be debated endlessly. Where does this lead? Is the bottom line that Sorc needs to be OP in Solo PvP so that it can join a cool ball group? Because I'd prefer if Sorc wasn't OP in Solo PvP, they can have some group utility as compensation instead. I also can not stress enough how much I do not care whether you are talking about "the highest level" of group PvP or plebs messing around. Balancing is measured by the potential, not by individual performances.

IncultaWolf wrote: »

rrbreezy wrote: »

It’s very telling that the “class balance” thread ended up being about a handful of abilities exclusive to two classes.

We know grave lord's sacrifice is the real strongest ability in the game

100% facts right here, thankfully everyone abides by the unspoken "gentleman's agreement" to never use it due to the sheer unfair power it grants

StaticWave wrote: »

Streak has never been a problem for years at the highest level of PvP... Can we stop arguing about Streak and focus on the actual problem which is Sorc being too tanky?

Two sides of the same coin. Streak wasn't a problem when Sorc DD was strictly a glass cannon. Now there's too much generic defensive power creep. They can fit all the heals and buffs they need regardless of what you do with Ward (though I agree the max stat pool passive is egregious). At high level, mistakes need to be punished, not trivially teleported away from. So you either delete huge chunks of the build system like Vengeance, or you give Streak the Cloak treatment.

You can't possibly tell me you wouldn't be still able to play at a high level if Streak only stunned at the end. My ability to close kills on StamSorc often depended entirely on landing one single endpoint Streak stun into a combo. The only thing you'd lose is the defensive stun escape, which is fine, you certainly have the skill to position yourself correctly. Cost increase would also be fine, you'd still have your offensive combo, just less capacity for instant reengage after defensive use.

So my conclusion is that a minor Streak nerf would accomplish making Sorc less obnoxiously survivable.

I personally don't think sorcerer/magsorc was an issue before the buff to ward and blood magic passive.

They should have just given them vibrant shroud and called it there. Sorcerers literally got the burst heal they asked for, but nobody is using it because of how overpowered hardened ward is.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Thou shalt not nerf what makes a class fun and unique

The hero we need in a heinous range spam meta: OLD DK WINGS

yeah removing population balance tools from kits was a mistake.
- dk wings reflect
- harness mag absorb
- ball of lightning ranged absorb
- Critsurge cooldown 0.25s
- sunshieldplars
- sap essence+siphoning attacks

With vengeance It'd be nice to have more unique simplified skills like we used to see. Id rather have a more impactful active skill instead of 10 weak active skills with 30x random buffs passively given by slotting them.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You are conflating so many different setups and abilities to somehow justify Streaks power.

I’m showing you group setups for each class

Yes and for what? Was my conclusion there wrong? Wasn't that the premise of the previous posts?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You run redudant Major Exp. sources with Quick Cloak and RaT even though both Major Evasion and Snare Removal can be sourced from multiple different sources - prominently BoL comes to mind for the latter*, not even mentioning the plethora of options you would have to restructure your buff sources with an additional scribing skill.

Those Glyph ticks from the Cloak must be too juicy to get your bar space in order.

- Major Expedition is redundant because you need Quick Cloak for Major Evasion, an AoE DoT for extra Surge proc chance, and RaT for a snare cleanse + immunity
- BoL is a selfish skill and does not provide group utility. You need an AoE stun, meaning you still need that 3rd slot for said stun. Quick Cloak + RaT + Streak is more effective than Quick Cloak + BoL + some stun. You are essentially wasting the same 3 slots by shuffling skills around and losing efficiency.
- I did restructure my buff with scribing. I am putting Major Prophecy on Contingency and have it deal AoE damage, essentially making it better than if I were to slot Camo Hunter

This is what drives me crazy with your style of argumentation. It is obvious why you choose to run those, you don't need to spell it out. The Pros and Cons are clear and even if you include streak in your setup you will have gains/losses. You are treating the evaluation of your build like a shopping list with buffs or effects that you want and that other classes may access more easily, while always completely brushing over the value you get from the things you have. Yes, some setups do certain things more effectively then others, big surprise. You say here "You need an AoE stun", but in your exact example above that is still the Dawnbreaker. You just shift the context of the discussion to make these trivial arguments to somehow fit your narrative. And the point about being selfish to discredit an abiltiy is laughable. Tell me about the great group benefits of DD and Surge.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You somehow make this about a group scenario where AoE heal is required (reason for Vibrant) and still you say Surge is essential, as if you won't receive heal from your team mates/a scribing AoE shield wouldn't be much more group-effective and have the option to provide the same buff (not even talking about pots or actual team mates with buffs).

- Nothing in the scribing skill line can replace Surge at the moment unfortunately. Surge is your Major Brutality buff, which is also your other main HoT. During a group fight you’re going to be proccing it non stop with Hurricane + Quick Cloak and it will often be top 2 HPS, just below Vigor. It is an ESSENTIAL skill lol.
- Just because I am receiving heals from teammates doesn’t mean I should drop my self heals and be completely dependent on my team. What happens when one of them dies and can’t provide off heals to me?

Again, trivial information. Everyone know what Surge does for you and what it does not. Same point as above about "selfish" abilities and group utility. Pick one. Do you feel entitled to have a build that does it all? Isn't Surge good enough at what it does to admit Sorc has a good thing there which isn't Streak?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You put Dark Deal there as 4th Healing/sustain abiltiy and didn't even afford NB Siphoning.

- NB doesn’t need Siphoning… Sustain is a joke on NB
- Dark Deal isn’t just a sustain skill. It’s also giving Minor Berserk and Minor Force. Siphoning doesn’t provide any dmg buffs. That is the main reason why you have Dark Deal on Sorc and not Siphoning on NB.

Yeah because without the very rare buff minor force that isn't already on RaT the entire build falls apart. Sure. You know the ability you can slot instead will also have effects, even minor Berserk? And funnily enough, wasn't there the most enormous uproar about the Siphoning changes? Confusing how things go on this forum sometimes. Is this the point where we are supposed to overanalyze these vaguely related abilities?

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

You just come up with a suboptimal bar layout with arbitrary benchmarks for buffs, where it isn't clear if that is supposed to be a group oriented/solo or tradeoff-build between both and then you claim that Sorc has the worst options of the three compared classes.

- These bar setups are used by top tier small scalers and GvGers. Are you saying their bar setups are subpar? Lol

If you try to twist my words at least make the effort to understand them before. I call your layout subpar, because you clearly seem to be unsatisfied with the volume of benefits you are getting, while there are choices you can make to cover the remaining needs more effectively (granted you are being honest with what you have and what you want).
People can run whatever they like, whatever works for them and their specific circumstances. Whether they are the self declared FotM kings of a 10 year old video game or just peasants trying to have fun.

StaticWave wrote: »

Vaqual wrote: »

It is absolutely OK to weigh the power of abilities against each other in a wider context, but you created such a needlessly complex scenario that it is almost impossible to make fair conclusions without writing a 50-page assay. These are examples of what someone can choose to run, but ultimately completely arbitrary. Basically comparing apples and oranges.
And why? Because you still feel that adjusting Streak means deleting Streak? This whole post proves nothing when it comes to the power of Streak and is at best obfuscating the debate.

*You don't need to explain what the advantages of RaT over BoL are, but it is a bit ironic that the ability that you defending would be so much more preferable over its other morph.

- That would be true for casual PvP, but not sweaty PvP. There are meta builds and meta comps for a reason. I am simply giving you one of the meta bar setups for those 3 classes at the highest level. You don’t need a 50-page essay to come to a conclusion that Warden and NB are better than Sorc because they in fact are better. It’s like saying you need a 50-page essay to conclude that Rallying Cry is the best option for solo PvP. Just by looking at the 5th bonus everyone can see that it’s giving 2 sets worth of stats.
- I specifically stated that any negative adjustments made to Streak will make the class even more unfavorable in a group setting. Who cares if it excels at solo PvP? PvP at the highest level revolves around GvG, small scale, and organized ball groups. The only Sorc you’re going to find in those groups is a Negate bot, nothing more, nothing less.

That is exactly what I think. You can recognize the power of Rallying Cry at face value. You didn't have to make a 3-class build comparison to figure that out, opening up endless alleyways for needless arguments (as shown above). Somehow I can recognize the value of Streak the same way.

Who cares if something excels at Solo PvP? I do. Even if You do not seek it you deliberately, many situations devolve momentarily into 1v1 or other small scale scenarios, where it absolutely matters how good the 1v1 balancing is.
Is your choice of class so closely tied to the ranking of relative performance in a completely player driven group scenario? How many stuns are you trying to land on the same enemy? How many layers of of Major Cowardice and Major Maim does each target need? When does Negate become exponentially more valuable than other support contributions? How much more overheal do you need on your character until you can ditch one warden friend? These types of vague comparisons can be debated endlessly. Where does this lead? Is the bottom line that Sorc needs to be OP in Solo PvP so that it can join a cool ball group? Because I'd prefer if Sorc wasn't OP in Solo PvP, they can have some group utility as compensation instead. I also can not stress enough how much I do not care whether you are talking about "the highest level" of group PvP or plebs messing around. Balancing is measured by the potential, not by individual performances.

- Builds are super important at the highest level and if my build was subpar I would have been punished, but I haven’t. I can guarantee you right now my build is no where near sub-par like you claimed because I actually tested it in multiple PvP environments and have been asked to share my build by other top tier players lol.
- Sorc isn’t as OP as you describe in 1v1s because I also happen to duel a lot and know several builds that stomp Sorcs.
- Sorc is supposed to be a strong solo PvP class. Why are you trying to nerf something it’s been good at for years?
- Top tier players demonstrate the most potential in a class. You don’t make balance changes based on casual players. You take opinion from people who are knowledgeable about the class. The class rep program existed for that sole reason until it was removed (because ZOS didn’t listen to their feedback).

I don’t get what you’re going at here. Streak has never been a problem for years at the highest level of PvP. Even when Sorc is a problem, it’s not Streak that’s causing it. It’s Ward and the 10% max mag buff, which I have already made a thread about. Can we stop arguing about Streak and focus on the actual problem which is Sorc being too tanky?

I give up. I feel you must be either misunderstanding what I say on purpose or there is no hope to communicate in written form.

My closing remarks would be that I disagree with your statement "Streak has never been a problem". The ability held disproportionate strength that was only justified when Sorcs defensive options where weaker. That isn't the same as "always being fine".
I agree that the tankiness is a major factor that changed. But Sorc didn't just get one new defensive option, it got better wards, Vibrant, Scribing heals (and all possible defensive buffs) and better bloodmagic. A strawman nerf to only one of those won't restore balance. That is why I think Streak needs a balance pass.