Werewolf needs a crossheal ability, a heal which doesn't scale off of Max Health, and a heal over time. A skill like Vigor would be ideal for this, but I don't think Werewolf should be able to slot non-Werewolf skills.

Rather, Werewolf needs a skill like this within their own toolkit. Whether that be added via a new Scribing ability for Werewolf, or an adjustment to Hircine's Bounty/Rage/Fortitude, whatever means to allow these kinds of healing while transformed should be unique to werewolves only.


I personally think Hircine's Rage should scale off Weapon and Spell Damage, while Hircine's Fortitude should regain the heal over time it used to have. Both morphs should heal an additional target.

Or, maybe a Werewolf Grimoire that allows you to heal allies in an area, and can be adjusted to heal over time as well. That way you could slot both Hircine's Bounty/Rage/Fortitude and this Scribed Skill to have two healing abilities on your Werewolf bar.

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Has there been any discussions related to this aspect of healing internally?

We've been suffering with Claws of Life for a long time and some Quality-of-Life adjustments would greatly enhance build diversity for werewolf players.

Separating out the heal on Claws of Life to be a per second heal unrelated to the damage portion of this ability would go a long way toward opening up more play styles for werewolf players / alternative builds etc.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Werewolf needs a crossheal ability, a heal which doesn't scale off of Max Health, and a heal over time. A skill like Vigor would be ideal for this, but I don't think Werewolf should be able to slot non-Werewolf skills.

Rather, Werewolf needs a skill like this within their own toolkit. Whether that be added via a new Scribing ability for Werewolf, or an adjustment to Hircine's Bounty/Rage/Fortitude, whatever means to allow these kinds of healing while transformed should be unique to werewolves only.


I personally think Hircine's Rage should scale off Weapon and Spell Damage, while Hircine's Fortitude should regain the heal over time it used to have. Both morphs should heal an additional target.

Or, maybe a Werewolf Grimoire that allows you to heal allies in an area, and can be adjusted to heal over time as well. That way you could slot both Hircine's Bounty/Rage/Fortitude and this Scribed Skill to have two healing abilities on your Werewolf bar.

the devs are probably going to keep the "one bar compress every potential tool into 5 skills" design philosophy. Honestly if they revert the nerf to claws of life and perhaps tweak hircine's rage (the one that scales off offensive stats im pretty sure) and add another conditional element ie add a HoT when you arent at max HP then get the major berserk +5% nerf when you are at max hp that could be neat. Issue is the skill is still really expensive so the HoT would have to be strong to make it worth keeping up, but not too strong or everyone will complain werewolves need to be gutted some more. There's like that one HoT component that comes with corpse consuming that I would totally be willing to trade for an actual heal over time, but I guess that comes down to whether the devs consider that too much.

Maybe when transformed a significant amount of health regen could be added.

For instance, for the Blood Rage passive: When you deal damage, the duration of your Werewolf Transformation is increased by 4 seconds and for 4 seconds your health regeneration is (doubled or increased by X000). This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

Artim_X wrote: »

Maybe when transformed a significant amount of health regen could be added.

For instance, for the Blood Rage passive: When you deal damage, the duration of your Werewolf Transformation is increased by 4 seconds and for 4 seconds your health regeneration is (doubled or increased by X000). This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

I've always thought werewolves could use a buff to health recovery. That's one of the common werewolf tropes in media — their supernatural regeneration meant you'd need a special counter to defeat them.


Though, that's not exactly a trope that TES werewolves share. Skyrim's werewolf outright disables health regeneration, like ESO's stage 4 vampire does. Though I think the purpose of disabling the health recovery in that game was to encourage the player to feed on enemies to heal.


As a final note, health recovery would not be a desirable replacement for a suitable heal over time in PvP, as health recovery is significantly nerfed by Battle Spirit.

Wuuffyy wrote: »

I would be fine if they felt the need to remove the claws of life heal entirely if they would just give us a better HoT.

Someone suggested double health recovery tied into the passives or something as an option- but honestly, I don't want to be FORCED to build health recov any more than the next person (plus the playstyle is incredibly toxic).

Just tie an echoing vigor level HoT to one of the morphs (pref fortitude), make hircine's rage scale nicely off of wep and spell damage (maybe similar to a ST 'wield soul' heal), and then make rage's threshold for the berserk proc 80% or higher health (and drop the increased damage taken).

Once again though, and this is the biggest part- I have lost all faith that any of the feedback here will be utilized in any capacity. Very frustrating and a thought, I thought, I should relay again.

Werewolf definitely needs Vigor.
Werewolf haters complained that Hircines Fortitude was the strongest burst heal in the game and overperforming ignoring that in absence of a HoT working in werewolve form it had to also be used as a HoT and compared to a HoT its healing per cast and cost is rather underperforming. Also it does not get buffed by many class passives nor by any werewolve healing passives.
Werewolf also needs unique 10k resistance back it had before update 29. It had higher resistance than most mortals/vampires but also could not use block cost/dmg reduction from shield or froststaff passive and now mortals/vampires have higher resistance as they have defending (potentate) backbar and minor resolve from resolving vigor.

Hircines rage should scale with wpn/spell dmg + max mag/stam as it used to scale with max mag + spell dmg before they made it scale with health because werewolf other skills scaled with max stamina and wpn dmg before hybridization and the major berserk is not worth it.
25% more dmg done from prenerf major berserk and 20% more dmg taken could be useful for some dmg bursts but casting such an expensive skill for 10% more dmg for only 6 seconds is not worth it even without the dmg penalty that only got reduced to 5% insteat of removing it. Other skills like momentum or healing soul give major buffs for 20 seconds in addition to a burst heal.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8182034

+1 for requesting werewolf vigor. Or for a scribing equivalent skill that adds some customization to werewolf.