Stop adding more 5 piece sets
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Seriously. Enough is enough. There's such an astronomically large number of sets and with every patch more and more sets become decon fodder.
Instead of adding another useless 5 piece every patch, why not add more 3 piece sets like Trainee? Sets that have 3 bonuses and can be mix and matched give a lot more flexibility in building.
More 3 piece sets would also allow unused 5 piece sets to come back into favor; there's a plethora of 5 piece sets that are great on paper but rarely used because they need to be double barred. The monster/front bar/back bar/mythic/1pc always seems like a better option.
Take the new class sets - some of them are cool on paper but will never see use because it's not worth sacrificing an entire 5pc set for. Those sets would go a lot further if they were unique 3pc sets like Trainee; more players would be able to fit them onto their builds.
TL;DR: Stop bloating the game with 5pc sets that either go unused or cause countless other sets to go unused. Be creative and add more 3 piece sets for more build variety.
Edited by ZOS_Hadeostry on 10 November 2024 20:22 Instead of adding another useless 5 piece every patch, why not add more 3 piece sets like Trainee? Sets that have 3 bonuses and can be mix and matched give a lot more flexibility in building.
More 3 piece sets would also allow unused 5 piece sets to come back into favor; there's a plethora of 5 piece sets that are great on paper but rarely used because they need to be double barred. The monster/front bar/back bar/mythic/1pc always seems like a better option.
Take the new class sets - some of them are cool on paper but will never see use because it's not worth sacrificing an entire 5pc set for. Those sets would go a lot further if they were unique 3pc sets like Trainee; more players would be able to fit them onto their builds.
TL;DR: Stop bloating the game with 5pc sets that either go unused or cause countless other sets to go unused. Be creative and add more 3 piece sets for more build variety.
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✭✭✭✭more 3 piece sets would be nice
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RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭Yeah they gotta start changing the set dynamics, the standard 2x 5 piece sets gets dreary after a whileAdd a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.3 -
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✭1) Completely agree with OP
At worst, we will just have more dead sets that no one uses.
At best, we will have more build decisions. There is some really good design spaces with Mythics like Markyn Ring of Majesty.
2) Don't underestimate how easy it is for ZOS to balance 5 piece sets. I won't call it lazy... but it's incredibly safe to just make more of what came before with slight changes. In that way, ZOS can balance changes against what already exists and control the environment MUCH easier! It's a VERY safe design direction... but it's also a bit tedious and boring for players after a point.
And I would argue they are really just shooting themselves in the foot. They either release a new broken set that replaces BiS sets, or they release a meh set that no one cares about and the game needlessly bloats.Edited by Billium813 on 4 October 2023 15:131 -
Entaro✭✭✭More 3 Piece sets would be a cool idea. Could enable builds that would use 5+arena+mythic+monster+new 3pc
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✭I actually like the idea of three piece sets, not a bad idea. Would allow for more variety in builds.0 -
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✭I agree. Give us more 3-piece sets.
I love that there are so many choices, but I hate that 70% of them are never going to be used. It's just a bloat for the sake of bloat.- Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
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RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭Honestly they don't even need to be 3 piece sets. Literally anything less than 5 would be better than 5 pieceAdd a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.5 -
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✭✭The sets situation is pretty stagnant. I have ignored every single overland set after the Morrowind chapter since there's just no point in using any of them. They are all just deconstruction fodder, and I think the effort spent on coming up with new 5-piece sets could be spent on something more creative. Overland sets are obviously meant for starting players, but there's simply far too much redundancy in that area now when players can just grab one of the better ones or get something even better from a crafter. Plus there are a ton of starting zones for new players.
Meanwhile, with every chapter/zone they add even more skill points yet not a single combat skill line to use them on. It ends up feeling like all sense of character progression is left behind, and we are stuck in limbo making the same mundane build choices without any character growth. This is probably why ESO has a player retention problem. A new class might catch people's attention for a little while, until they realize they'll just end up 'building' it the same way you build any other class. Personally I haven't even bothered making an Arcanist yet despite owning Necrom now because I really am only interested in my main character and making them stronger. I'm not entirely convinced the class sets from Endless Archive are going to change much either.0 -
NuarBlack✭✭✭✭Yeah new five piece sets should be reserved for new trials. You could even make them slightly busted so long as their affects only apply to monsters. Would rather they revisit old junk 5 piece sets than add new ones.
More 3 piece and even 2 piece non-monster sets(read come in all slots) would add variety. Especially if new overland sets are meant to be useful as starter sets, making them 2 or 3 pieces is actually a lot more accessible. Plus, having more options to round out builds would be nice. I always want to use some of the 3 piece sets but in many cases they end up suboptimal if you are not using meta arena weapons. Would be nice to have some more 2 and 3 piece sets that you could essentially build your own sets out of.Edited by NuarBlack on 4 October 2023 23:430 -
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✭Eh, I don't really use the existing three piece set very much.
They tend to be a bit lacking in the power department/excitement and they tend to mess up the ability to use other things with them for me.
ESO also used to have more three piece item sets but, they stopped dropping long ago.0 -
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✭✭chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »Eh, I don't really use the existing three piece set very much.
They tend to be a bit lacking in the power department/excitement and they tend to mess up the ability to use other things with them for me.
ESO also used to have more three piece item sets but, they stopped dropping long ago.
Why 3-piece sets feel weaker is that they actually are, compared to running two 5s… both have nothing with the 1-piece bonus, so if you paired it with a 5-piece set, you were missing two lines of stats with a total of 6 lines out of the 8 slots used, which if you had two 5 piece sets you would land 8 lines out of the 10 slots you have filled...
It’s simple math that 8/10, equalling 80% is more than 6/8 at 75% efficiency.
Why you see Trainee used quite often is due to the fact that it, and Druid, are the only sets in the game with a 1-piece bonus outside of monster sets. It also helps that you get a massive value from it.Edited by Tyrant_Tim on 5 October 2023 00:561 -
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✭✭✭✭✭chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »Eh, I don't really use the existing three piece set very much.
They tend to be a bit lacking in the power department/excitement and they tend to mess up the ability to use other things with them for me.
ESO also used to have more three piece item sets but, they stopped dropping long ago.
The other big difference is the current 3 piece sets are only jewelry and weapons, barring Trainee. I'm proposing they add more sets like Trainee, where you can use as few pieces as 1, and the pieces drop in any slot.2 -
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✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »Eh, I don't really use the existing three piece set very much.
They tend to be a bit lacking in the power department/excitement and they tend to mess up the ability to use other things with them for me.
ESO also used to have more three piece item sets but, they stopped dropping long ago.
The other big difference is the current 3 piece sets are only jewelry and weapons, barring Trainee. I'm proposing they add more sets like Trainee, where you can use as few pieces as 1, and the pieces drop in any slot.
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✭I think they have to keep adding SOME new 5-piece sets. It'd just be too weird not too.
But I do agree with the overall sentiment. Some (or lots,) of new 3-piece sets would be absolutely amazing.1 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭also for 4 pieces sets for those mythics that conflict with monster sets would be useful. there should be a bit of a tradeoff between a 3 piece and a 5 piece bonus, otherwise it becomes a no-brainer to stack smaller sets0
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Lalothen✭✭✭✭They could do a pass on current sets and restructure some to 3-piece too. Some examples off the top of my head:
Queen's Elegance could be a 3-piece with:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
3 items: When you use a Light Attack you reduce the Health, Magicka, or Stamina cost of your next active ability cast within 2 seconds by 10%. When you use a fully charged Heavy Attack you gain Empower for 10 seconds, increasing the damage of your Heavy Attacks against monsters by 70%. Each of these effects can occur once every second.
Infallible Mage could be:
1 item: Adds 657 Critical Chance
2 items: Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon, Trial, and Arena Monsters by 5%.
3 items: Your Heavy Attacks deal an additional 900 damage to monsters. Enemies you damage with fully-charged Heavy Attacks are afflicted with Minor Vulnerability for 10 seconds, increasing their damage taken by 5%.
Ice Furnace could be:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 657 Critical Chance
3 items: When you deal Frost Damage, you deal an additional 238 Flame damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second and scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.1 -
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✭✭They could do a pass on current sets and restructure some to 3-piece too. Some examples off the top of my head:
Queen's Elegance could be a 3-piece with:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
3 items: When you use a Light Attack you reduce the Health, Magicka, or Stamina cost of your next active ability cast within 2 seconds by 10%. When you use a fully charged Heavy Attack you gain Empower for 10 seconds, increasing the damage of your Heavy Attacks against monsters by 70%. Each of these effects can occur once every second.
Infallible Mage could be:
1 item: Adds 657 Critical Chance
2 items: Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon, Trial, and Arena Monsters by 5%.
3 items: Your Heavy Attacks deal an additional 900 damage to monsters. Enemies you damage with fully-charged Heavy Attacks are afflicted with Minor Vulnerability for 10 seconds, increasing their damage taken by 5%.
Ice Furnace could be:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 657 Critical Chance
3 items: When you deal Frost Damage, you deal an additional 238 Flame damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second and scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.
100% agree in concept, though Ice Furnace is actually really good on Warden for PvP.
Some of the weakest sets could definitely be converted to either 2-piece, 3-piece or 4-piece sets based on the power of their current 5th. We could take it one step further in the other direction and make the best sets require more than 5.
This would be an incredible way to make sets that are not up-to-par comparable, as it’s a lot easier to justify using sets that are weaker than others when they require less to activate, and dealing with the meta sets would be less oppressive when they require more slots to activate, creating an opportunity cost.1 -
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✭Tyrant_Tim wrote: »They could do a pass on current sets and restructure some to 3-piece too. Some examples off the top of my head:
Queen's Elegance could be a 3-piece with:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
3 items: When you use a Light Attack you reduce the Health, Magicka, or Stamina cost of your next active ability cast within 2 seconds by 10%. When you use a fully charged Heavy Attack you gain Empower for 10 seconds, increasing the damage of your Heavy Attacks against monsters by 70%. Each of these effects can occur once every second.
Infallible Mage could be:
1 item: Adds 657 Critical Chance
2 items: Gain Minor Slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to Dungeon, Trial, and Arena Monsters by 5%.
3 items: Your Heavy Attacks deal an additional 900 damage to monsters. Enemies you damage with fully-charged Heavy Attacks are afflicted with Minor Vulnerability for 10 seconds, increasing their damage taken by 5%.
Ice Furnace could be:
1 item: Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
2 items: Adds 657 Critical Chance
3 items: When you deal Frost Damage, you deal an additional 238 Flame damage to all enemies within 8 meters around the initial target. This effect can occur once every 1 second and scales off the higher of your Weapon or Spell Damage.
100% agree in concept, though Ice Furnace is actually really good on Warden for PvP.
Some of the weakest sets could definitely be converted to either 2-piece, 3-piece or 4-piece sets based on the power of their current 5th. We could take it one step further in the other direction and make the best sets require more than 5.
This would be an incredible way to make sets that are not up-to-par comparable, as it’s a lot easier to justify using sets that are weaker than others when they require less to activate, and dealing with the meta sets would be less oppressive when they require more slots to activate, creating an opportunity cost.
The thing is though... Current 3 piece sets aren't weaker than 5-piece sets. They are stronger, line by line, only really falling short in that they're only stat-based and never get the big fancy 5-piece pay-off for all 5.
I'm not sure what my point is, lol, but it seemed worth thinking on. If there were suddenly a bunch of 3-piece sets to choose from, presumably procs and some maybe even being single-bar-able, I think this may result in stronger set-ups not weaker.
So I guess I'm trying to say while I like the idea of opening up some real creativity and build diversity by adding 3-piece sets,I would be hesitant to just start making existing sets be 3, 4, or 6 pieces... It'd take a lot of work to do correctly, and may result in less balance.
The gamer in me is excited by the proposition. The unemployed Dev who lives inside me thinks it might be a can of worms.
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ereboz✭✭✭✭✭I know I am late to this thread, but I couldn't agree more. More 3 piece sets would be great, even some sort of crafting update to allow us to change some 5 piece into 3 piece could add a lot of flavor to builds and give us more to do.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Just as we can expect threads that died ages ago to be resurrected, more 5-piece sets will be added to the game.
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ZOS_HadeostrymodGreetings,
We have closed this topic as it was originally created in October 2023. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.
Thank you for your understanding.0
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