Is there a reason my characters can't unlock crafting dailies? [solved]

TybaltKaine · May 4

I've got several established characters that I have never taken the time to unlock crafting dailies with, who for whatever reason, cannot start the quest to unlock them. Is this tied to the Gilded Glory event as a check to prevent abuse by bots or something? It's rather annoying that my characters are suddenly barred from participating in this event simply because they cannot even initiate the quest for crafting dailies.

Before it is asked, yes they are in the appropriate areas to unlock the quests. The boards are simply non interactable for them. Nor do the tutors exist in the game for them in the Guild locations that they should be found.

EDIT:

It seems that now you have to be level 6 to get certified. That's new to me.

For the love of cheese, why was there a level minimum introduced for this? This is asinine. Please lock this thread when you get a chance mods.

Dragonnord · May 4

TybaltKaine wrote: »

It seems that now you have to be level 6 to get certified. That's new to me.

It has been like this since... ever.

Tandor · May 4

They were lobbied to reduce the plethora of quest prompts that greeted new players, so a lot of things got pushed back in levels - sometime last year or possibly the year before, I think. Prior to that you could certify the original ones before you could certify Jewelry which didn't make a lot of sense.

TybaltKaine · May 4

The length of time it has been that way does not take away from the fact that it is asinine, or that it is new to me.

Dragonnord · May 4

TybaltKaine wrote: »

The length of time it has been that way does not take away from the fact that it is asinine, or that it is new to me.

It's not asinine, there's a valid reason ZOS does it that way.

And you said "NOW you have to be level 6" and it's not now, it has been like this since the day crafting writs were released.

TybaltKaine · May 4

Since you appear to be interested in only arguing semantics for the sake of doing so and not actively contributing any information to the conversation, I will no longer be interacting with you. Good day.

Dragonnord · May 4

TybaltKaine wrote: »

Since you appear to be interested in only arguing semantics for the sake of doing so and not actively contributing any information to the conversation, I will no longer be interacting with you. Good day.

My firt post clarified that it is not a now thing, it was informative, however, you decided to confront that information, that was just that, mere information, and now you blame me of arguing semantics.

Says the one that argues about a valid fact I provided as information on my very first post, so readers are not confused thinking the 6 levels requirements is a now thing.

TaSheen · May 4

It's been this way (level 6) since I started playing in 2017.... I had the crafts "unlocked" before then simply by using the stations for stuff, but as far as getting the quests, the boards were non-interactable until level 6.

code65536 · May 4

Dragonnord wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

It seems that now you have to be level 6 to get certified. That's new to me.

It has been like this since... ever.

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Dragonnord · May 4

code65536 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Nitpick response yours.

Yeah! And I remember when groups used to froze Bahsei in place to kill him from distance without taking any damage, or when groups used to kill vAS Olms with bows from outside the room entrance.

And know what? Since those were unintended ways, I can't say there was a time when you could kill Bahsei or Olms those ways because it was uninteded, and we're talking natural ways here, not unintended stuff, bugs of whatever.

There was also a time when players could drop infinite Meteors in PvP. So if someone now says "You can't drop more than one Meteor at a time in PvP", I can't responde saying "That's not entirely correct, because there was a time when..."

Unintended stuff doesn't count.

kringled_1 · May 4

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Nitpick response yours.

Yeah! And I remember when groups used to froze Bahsei in place to kill him from distance without taking any damage, or when groups used to kill vAS Olms with bows from outside the room entrance.

And know what? Since those were unintended ways, I can't say there was a time when you could kill Bahsei or Olms those ways because it was uninteded, and we're talking natural ways here, not unintended stuff, bugs of whatever.

There was also a time when players could drop infinite Meteors in PvP. So if someone now says "You can't drop more than one Meteor at a time in PvP", I can't responde saying "That's not entirely correct, because there was a time when..."

Unintended stuff doesn't count.

That's an astonishing leap to make.
Talking to an NPC to start a quest is not particularly an unintended way to get a quest.
The fact that the boards and the NPCs apparently had inconsistent requirements to get those quests was probably not intended, I agree, but there's no obvious reason why the level requirements have to be the same, and getting a one-time quest a couple of levels early has no real consequences for anyone. Comparing those to obvious exploits and the use of external software to cheat is so far past the line.

TaSheen · May 4

It never occurred to me to talk to the NPCs before picking up the quest from the board....

Dragonnord · May 4

kringled_1 wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Nitpick response yours.

Yeah! And I remember when groups used to froze Bahsei in place to kill him from distance without taking any damage, or when groups used to kill vAS Olms with bows from outside the room entrance.

And know what? Since those were unintended ways, I can't say there was a time when you could kill Bahsei or Olms those ways because it was uninteded, and we're talking natural ways here, not unintended stuff, bugs of whatever.

There was also a time when players could drop infinite Meteors in PvP. So if someone now says "You can't drop more than one Meteor at a time in PvP", I can't responde saying "That's not entirely correct, because there was a time when..."

Unintended stuff doesn't count.

That's an astonishing leap to make.
Talking to an NPC to start a quest is not particularly an unintended way to get a quest.
The fact that the boards and the NPCs apparently had inconsistent requirements to get those quests was probably not intended, I agree, but there's no obvious reason why the level requirements have to be the same, and getting a one-time quest a couple of levels early has no real consequences for anyone. Comparing those to obvious exploits and the use of external software to cheat is so far past the line.

Both are unintended ways. There's a reason why none are possible anymore.

Again, unintended, exploit, bug, ZOS mistake, etc., it's the same. It's not the way things are supposed to be, so it's invalid saying it was like that one time.

And that's why I make clear my examples wouldn't count either.

Btw, I like the "astonishing leap" phrase.

code65536 · May 4

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Nitpick response yours.

Yeah! And I remember when groups used to froze Bahsei in place to kill him from distance without taking any damage, or when groups used to kill vAS Olms with bows from outside the room entrance.

And know what? Since those were unintended ways, I can't say there was a time when you could kill Bahsei or Olms those ways because it was uninteded, and we're talking natural ways here, not unintended stuff, bugs of whatever.

There was also a time when players could drop infinite Meteors in PvP. So if someone now says "You can't drop more than one Meteor at a time in PvP", I can't responde saying "That's not entirely correct, because there was a time when..."

Unintended stuff doesn't count.

Unintended? Probably. But news flash, that's the way that it had worked for over 8 years. And it's not like those NPCs were hard to find. They're practically impossible to miss for someone who's grabbing the FG and MG starter quests to unlock those skill lines.

Dragonnord · May 4

Then you misinformed us or provided us with confused information, as you said:

"there used to be one crucial loophole..."

And also:

"You used to be able to pick up..."

You don't say "used to" if something is still ocurring today.

HatchetHaro · May 4

Dragonnord wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

That's not entirely correct.

You must be level 6 to do crafting writs.

You must be level 6 to pick up the certification quest from the writ boards.

You must be level 6 to pick up and do the jewelry certification quest.

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Nitpick response yours.

Yeah! And I remember when groups used to froze Bahsei in place to kill him from distance without taking any damage, or when groups used to kill vAS Olms with bows from outside the room entrance.

And know what? Since those were unintended ways, I can't say there was a time when you could kill Bahsei or Olms those ways because it was uninteded, and we're talking natural ways here, not unintended stuff, bugs of whatever.

There was also a time when players could drop infinite Meteors in PvP. So if someone now says "You can't drop more than one Meteor at a time in PvP", I can't responde saying "That's not entirely correct, because there was a time when..."

Unintended stuff doesn't count.

Imagine comparing easily-reachable quests that can be picked up in a character's starting zone that hasn't been changed in 8 years to high-profile exploits that got accounts banned and got fixed within a few weeks.

Besides, just because something is "unintended" does not mean it does not affect the game's history or a game studio's reputation; a buggy game is a buggy game, and if everyone dismissed all the bugs and exploits on the basis of things being "unintended", we'd have a lot more shoddily-made games on the market.

There are also many, many situations in gaming where bugs made such a massive impact on a game's gameplay that they became standard; "it's a feature, not a bug" is such a recognizable phrase to gamers and game developers.

So yes, there was a time when you could exploit Olms, and there was a time you could complete crafting certs before level 6, thereby rendering your original statement of "it's always been this way" moot.

Stop digging your hole deeper trying to force an argument riddled with holes. It's okay to be wrong with what you thought you knew, and it's okay to be corrected! Just take the new information and move on.

code65536 · May 4

Dragonnord wrote: »

Then you misinformed us or provided us with confused information, as you said:

"there used to be one crucial loophole..."

And also:

"You used to be able to pick up..."

You don't say "used to" if something is still ocurring today.

Alright, let's go back to the beginning here.

The entire reason you're in this thread is because you wanted to attack the OP for writing, "It seems that now you have to be level 6 to get certified. That's new to me."

Your claim is that the level 6 restriction has always been in place, so why is OP treating this like a new thing? The thing is, while ZOS may have wanted that level 6 restriction to be in place, the fact of the matter is, for over 8 years, that restriction, for practical intents and purposes, did not exist, because it was possible to start certification before level 6.

Most of my 80+ writ-certified characters (multiple accounts, both NA and EU) started certification before level 6 because certification very conveniently leveled the character to 6 so that they can immediately do writs right after certification.

And then you go on a wild tangent that somehow compares early certification to trial exploits.

The important thing here is that it has long been possible to certify before level 6, which is something that they closed off relatively recently, so this is effectively a new restriction for someone like the OP. So that statement from the OP that you were so eager to mock is a perfectly valid statement that reflects the reality of how certification has worked for many years.

Dragonnord · May 4

HatchetHaro wrote: »

There are also many, many situations in gaming where bugs made such a massive impact on a game's gameplay that they became standard; "it's a feature, not a bug" is such a recognizable phrase to gamers and game developers.

If they became a standard, like animation cancelling, then that's different.

Unintended that then become intended.

Agree on that one.

Dragonnord · May 4

code65536 wrote: »

The important thing here is that it has long been possible to certify before level 6, which is something that they closed off relatively recently, so this is effectively a new restriction for someone like the OP. So that statement from the OP that you were so eager to mock is a perfectly valid statement that reflects the reality of how certification has worked for many years.

Oh! So just now you decide to explain it clearly.

Fair enough.

Nerouyn · May 4

code65536 wrote: »

However, there used to be one crucial loophole: You used to be able to pick up the certification quest by talking directly to the two NPCs who are in charge of those quests, and you could do that at any level.

Since the certification quests grant a sizeable amount of XP, I would very often pick those quests up before reaching level 6, and the process of certification would push me to level 6, at which point I'll go do jewelry certification and do my first set of writs.

So while it was always intended that certification and the writs themselves are supposed to be gated at level 6, there was a gaping wide loophole that allowed you to certify before level 6.

Why gate it at level 6?

There's no reason players shouldn't be able to do them earlier.

I always assumed jewelry crafting being different was the bug.

By the time of Summerset which didn't launch with any new character classes, few players testing that content would have been low level and it likely went unnoticed.

oddbasket · May 4

This also confused me a bit when I made multiple characters on an alt account this year. Used to be I could get certified and pick up the undaunted quest to unlock the undaunted skill line despite not being able to complete it until level 10 right away.

VisitHammerfell · May 5

Dragonnord wrote: »

TybaltKaine wrote: »

It seems that now you have to be level 6 to get certified. That's new to me.

It has been like this since... ever.

It has not. You could get certified at level 3. I've done this at 3-4 on tons of characters. There's old videos of people doing this. Jewelry is the only one that required level 6

And yes OP I agree. For brand new players sure but for people making alts we shouldn't have to wait. I used to use writ certification to help my toons work up to level 10 as I don't quest on most of them. Plus as the other person said it would leave you at level 6 or 7 if you had an xp boost then you could do writs

By the way here is a video of somebody doing this. It had always worked before that update in Daggerfall/Vulkhel Guard/Davon's Watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I98GDAZX9SI&t=338s&pp=ygUJRXNvIHdyaXRz

ZOS_Bill · May 7

As this quest issue is now resolved, we are going to close the thread going forward.