adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Any fight where you can leave and come back in 5 levels is already trivialized.

I disagree.

I think leaving and coming back at a higher level is one of the ways you make a game fun for all skill levels.

Skilled players will do it at level for the challenge and the reward will be useful to them.

Less skilled players have the option of over leveling tough content and coming back later. But at that point the reward is less useful.

Its balance.

This comic very much summarizes the stance of the 'we need moar challenge' crowd vs the stance of the 'we just wanna enjoy the game' people.

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/09/12/what-its-like-to-play-online-games-as-an-adult-comic/

NordJitsu wrote: »

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Any fight where you can leave and come back in 5 levels is already trivialized.

I disagree.

I think leaving and coming back at a higher level is one of the ways you make a game fun for all skill levels.

Skilled players will do it at level for the challenge and the reward will be useful to them.

Less skilled players have the option of over leveling tough content and coming back later. But at that point the reward is less useful.

Its balance.

Until Manni can be facerolled while standing in bad hes going to be unkillable by some people.

Unacceptable for mandatory content.

Lanatireb17_ESO wrote: »

This comic very much summarizes the stance of the 'we need moar challenge' crowd vs the stance of the 'we just wanna enjoy the game' people.

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/09/12/what-its-like-to-play-online-games-as-an-adult-comic/

Yeah, my wife has interrupted my gameplay with ... other things before.

I was glad to leave keyboard and mouse for a bit.

I agree 100% with the OP.

I also should mention that I consider myself a mediocre player, don't do heroic raids in those other games, only play a couple hours a day, am 35, am disabled, and play a Nightblade.

So, there are people who will leave if the game isn't nerfed to suit them? I'll leave if it is, plus ESO will have to compete with all the other dumbed-down games on the market.

@Chryos‌

Then thank you.

So tell me how youre supposed to outlevel Mannimarco enough to facetank him or outlevel Molag Bal at *all*, if thats just how the less skilled players get to do it? Hm?

Or did you forget this is a mandatory skillgate?

Sakiri wrote: »

So tell me how youre supposed to outlevel Mannimarco enough to facetank him or outlevel Molag Bal at *all*, if thats just how the less skilled players get to do it? Hm?

Or did you forget this is a mandatory skillgate?

You could of course "grind" in order to outlevel mannimarco. Another option "could" be to participate at pvp since the XP gained for killing other players either allready is doubled or will be with patch 1.1, iam not sure bout that atm sorry so please check the latest patch notes.
Also you have the opportunity do solve pve quests while beeing in cyrodiil, though i would suggest to use the least populated campaign as guest campain in order to do pve quests at cyrodiil. In many cases another option would be to just move on to the next territory in order to do quests there before going back to Mannimarco.

But i guess the most important thing is to know manni's or molag's mechanics. Once you have figured out what skill he is using after wich attack things tend to become much easier regardless of beeing a hardcore or casual player.

Personally, hence i encountered manni during the beta, i think it's a shame how they nerfed him.

On the other hand i have to admit that molag bals titans granted me something like 10 deaths before i learned how to deal with them despite beeing a vamp with 50% + fire dmg, lowered healt reg and a totally bugged block ability that didnt keep any of the fire dmg away from me. Not to speak about the fact that my weapon swap was bugged and therefore i was limited to 6 instead of 12 skills.

But well yes, there are options to outlevel both of them.