ZOS when are we going to get to Inspect Player” and see everything they have slotted?

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

Or is this wishful thinking? Many other games have this function so was just curious.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

Wanted to add, it would be so much easier than whispering them and asking “hey what style is that?” Or “hey what sets you running?”

Braffin · November 2023

I don't think we need that tbh.

And no, I don't have a problem with sharing my builds when playing in a team. I've done far too much vet trials for nonsense like that.

I simply think it's not too much effort to talk to each other, if we want know. Communications are essential for that sort of content anyways.

And why the heck should we inspect each other, if we don't play together?

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

Is this your first MMO? Fashion is true endgame man.

Braffin · November 2023

No, it's not my first MMO, lol. 😆

Good communication were important in all of them. That's why I recommend you to ask the respective player if you want to know something.

Especially if it's about fashion, people like sharing their ideas and styles anyways.

Interacting with each other keeps a game's community healthy. A stealthy "inspect" isn't interacting tho, but, sorry for saying it blunt, rather poor imo.

DarcyMardin · November 2023

Never. This subject of whether there should be an “inspect gear” option has come up lots of times over the years. It was not in the original release and has never been added. Many of us prefer to keep our builds private.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

I bring this up bc the person was in offline mode and had ported away as I was typing. But yeah having an inspect option would be great.

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

Let me also add for the pvp portion I get that. In bg or cyro sure. No inspect.

colossalvoids · November 2023

Guess esologs was a subtle answer to that one, minus fashion part.

boi_anachronism_ · November 2023

Absolutely not. Pc has logs, id be fine if i was personally able to see mine but Im not interested in the toxic nonsense that comes with the ability to see other people gear and skills. Pugs would become a cesspit.

Soarora · November 2023

Eventually you'll get a handle on what motifs are what and be able to figure it out on your own. Or can take a photo and ask someone who does know, assuming the person is offline or doesn't respond.

As for gear, deffo not. Whilst I'm in the same boat as Braffin (actually I even have some of my builds linked in my signature...

) it just seems like recipe for harassment by random toxic players.

LunaFlora · November 2023

i really don't want whispers from people that tell me how they hate my sets or give me unsolicited advice on what sets i, according to them, should wear instead.

so no, please no.

if it is just for outfit styles, then i am totally for it.

Aislinna · November 2023

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I bring this up bc the person was in offline mode and had ported away as I was typing. But yeah having an inspect option would be great.

Send a mail?

DUTCH_REAPER · November 2023

Aislinna wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I bring this up bc the person was in offline mode and had ported away as I was typing. But yeah having an inspect option would be great.

Send a mail?

I did. It was a Chiton style chest.

Elsonso · November 2023

Hopefully, never.

Not needed.

SilverBride · November 2023

I hope they never do. It would have many negative uses and nothing positive could come from it.

Ingenon · November 2023

Meh, I'm not concerned about this. You can tell that my tank alts are wearing what Tank Club recommends, my healer alts are wearing what Healers Haven recommends, and my DPS are wearing whatever online build I am following. Because I reconstruct the gear at the transmute station and put it on. I only use the Outfit Station to hide head and shoulder armor. So, one of my healers looks like Spell Power Cure, one of my tanks looks like Pearlescent Ward, and so on.

YffresTrill · November 2023

I completely fail to see the point of this.

If you ask them and they tell you, excellent. If they choose not to, that is their prerogative. No one sane is going around checking the tags on people's clothing out in meatspace.

Personally I am happy to share what I am wearing if asked, but I completely understand why someone would prefer this to remain private. Harassment over build choices is not a new thing.

El_Borracho · November 2023

I'd be fine if it was confined to the outfit/motif choices I have gone with. But to be able to see what sets someone is wearing will only lead to negativity in PVE. And PVP? Forget about it

While I don't care now about the gear I have, I do recall being a newer player years ago first starting out in trials when it could get very toxic when someone didn't have the "approved" gear in the raid leader's eye. Even worse if the person wearing the "unapproved" gear was doing better than someone with the correct gear.

Tommy_The_Gun · November 2023

Neat feature, but I think that it might cause to many malicious behaviours and will be used in an non-intended ways. It could be the sources of way too many toxic situations. For example: Getting kicked as a DPS/Tank/Healer because you are not wearing X set. Or Trying to form a group in Craglorn to do the trial, but you don't have the Y set equiped, so no one will take you into group. There is also PvP and same problem would apply: You are not wearing X set or you have wrong trait here or there - Sorry, nope. No place for you in our group. There is also a possibility it could be used to see what players are wearing before the duel, so you would not fight vs proc set users or something like that. Or, if it worked in Cyro/IC on enemy players so you could see in advance what they are wearing and then plan you actions with that taken into account. It seems nothing good will come out of it, so it is kinda bad idea.

DinoZavr · November 2023

Bad suggestion, in my humble opinion.
Many players would be kicked of groups just because the don't have the meta gear.
i'd prefer NOT to have the "inspect others" in ESO ever.

AcadianPaladin · November 2023

Some folks are happy to share their builds or fashions. Others are not. And there is nothing wrong with either view.

My elf falls into the latter category; a girl's entitled to her secrets after all. If such a feature were to be implemented with an opt in or opt out feature, that would be fine.

TheImperfect · November 2023

Never hopefully.

Jaimeh · November 2023

Soarora wrote: »

Eventually you'll get a handle on what motifs are what and be able to figure it out on your own. Or can take a photo and ask someone who does know, assuming the person is offline or doesn't respond.

As for gear, deffo not. Whilst I'm in the same boat as Braffin (actually I even have some of my builds linked in my signature... ) it just seems like recipe for harassment by random toxic players.

Yup, a screenshot and then asking around in the forums or discord is the current way to go about it. As for an inspection function, some players already dislike things like lootlog and esologs (though I personally think for organized raids the latter is a must), so I don't see it happening, nor do I think is super necessary.

Vynera · November 2023

I would love to see this feature at least in the group finder when an application is required, so I as a leader know who is joining. Did some pug trials today and if I knew what sets players wear, I would have never accepted them in the first place.

It's just tedious to ask them to link their gear or kick / replace them during the trial run. And with livelogs you see the sets/skills/dps anyways, but only during the content and not when forming the group..
Sorry, but when doing < 10k dps and running arround with 15k more health than a tank, your not supposed to join as a DD in a vet. trial with exp. Also had a DD with no full armor set at all, just some random pieces and purchased weapon from a npc.

Elsonso · November 2023

Vynera wrote: »

I would love to see this feature at least in the group finder when an application is required, so I as a leader know who is joining. Did some pug trials today and if I knew what sets players wear, I would have never accepted them in the first place.

The point I always make in situations like this is that gear does not define how good the player is. All it means is that they can read what someone posts on the internet and collect necessary pieces.

Sure, wearing thing over another can make things easier, but just because they pick that gear doesn't mean that they are any good at using it.

Wearing the gear is no indication of how well they will perform.

Amottica · November 2023

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Is this your first MMO? Fashion is true endgame man.

Far from my first MMORPG. I have been fairly serious about my raiding in MMORPGs for years and am accustomed to inspecting players' gear. Heck, even in other MMORPGs where we could inspect I tended to talk with the more serious players about how we play and so forth.

The point is, I do not miss it in ESO and have seen how little it is needed. Heck, gear is only a part of what makes a player good, and I could not care less about their style or costume.

CrazyKitty · November 2023

Even online and in games people are deserving of some degree of privacy. If you want to know what build someone is running, ask them. They may or may not tell you, but if you ask nicely most people will tell you. You can also check your death recap if in Cyrodiil.

Amottica wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Is this your first MMO? Fashion is true endgame man.

Far from my first MMORPG. I have been fairly serious about my raiding in MMORPGs for years and am accustomed to inspecting players' gear. Heck, even in other MMORPGs where we could inspect I tended to talk with the more serious players about how we play and so forth.

The point is, I do not miss it in ESO and have seen how little it is needed. Heck, gear is only a part of what makes a player good, and I could not care less about their style or costume.

No, gear IS NOT the only part of what makes a player good. (although in ESO sets do play way too strong a role in the "skill gap")

Vynera · November 2023

Elsonso wrote: »

Wearing the gear is no indication of how well they will perform.

Thats absolutly correct, but wearing at least the correct gear for your role (doesnt have to be meta) is at least an indication that they might know what they are doing.
You have no idea how many apply or join groups with no completed set, with heavy armor (tank/solo/survival whatever setup) as DD, with pvp gear, wrong traits, or even a healing staff on a DD role.

Amottica · November 2023

CrazyKitty wrote: »

Even online and in games people are deserving of some degree of privacy. If you want to know what build someone is running, ask them. They may or may not tell you, but if you ask nicely most people will tell you. You can also check your death recap if in Cyrodiil.

Amottica wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Is this your first MMO? Fashion is true endgame man.

Far from my first MMORPG. I have been fairly serious about my raiding in MMORPGs for years and am accustomed to inspecting players' gear. Heck, even in other MMORPGs where we could inspect I tended to talk with the more serious players about how we play and so forth.

The point is, I do not miss it in ESO and have seen how little it is needed. Heck, gear is only a part of what makes a player good, and I could not care less about their style or costume.

No, gear IS NOT the only part of what makes a player good. (although in ESO sets do play way too strong a role in the "skill gap")

I can't entirely agree.

Yes, gear does play a role and that it is not the only role. Players can choose sets that are extremely wrong and a build that works in one type of content does not work as well in other types of content.

However, player skill level plays an outsized role in ESO due to the greater action-based play and the less ridged GCD since basic attacks are not on the GCD. It is why players can copy a meta build and not come even close to the DPS that top players can put out.

peacenote · November 2023

I see both sides to this, and have a couple of things to point out.

1-- Especially for ESO, the way we have costumes, dyeing, and style motifs, I would think that for anyone wanting to re-create a look or to know what style they have would be a completely different feature than an interest in someone's specs/build. I honestly can't think of any reason why an "inspect style" functionality would cause problems. The ability to see someone's look likely doesn't require permission, but if you were the type of player that took significant pride in your look and didn't want it to be copied, a toggle to turn it off could work.

2-- For "inspect gear," which I will use to mean build and specs... I think we need to really challenge ourselves to ask if this is truly a harassment issue at this point, or more of an imbalance between PC and console. Besides esologs, we have both combat metrics and superstar as mods, and between those three things it's fairly trivial to share your build if you desire with someone else in the PC world. And there are many scenarios where I want to share my build, normally to ask for feedback on how I can be a better player with my guild mates.

If ZOS made a feature, where one's build could be viewed by someone if the toggle was on, and if the individuals are grouped and permission is granted... would that be such a problem? I don't feel that this is much different than what we do today on the PC side, except it is a bit more convenient because it can be done in game. I know I also would love a "share build" link that I could put in chat, similar to how you can link achievements, because usually if someone is asking about my build it is due to a conversation I'm having, and I want to share what I'm doing.

I am 100% against an "inspect gear" functionality where you could go up to anyone anonymously and evaluate what they are wearing. There is zero need for that. But I'm not sure why everyone is imagining that the functionality would have to work like that. When you consider the interface we have today with ESO, an option to interact with player and "share build" like the trading screen could work well. Yes, some group leaders might not let you in if you have the feature turned off... but that's no different than a group leader requiring a build screenshot before hand. And on the PC side, by entering any group content you are taking the risk that someone could be logging and see your build. Yes, you might be "anonymous" but it is not that hard to figure out who is who in most cases.

Not sure how difficult either feature would be to implement but I don't think, since we now have esologs, it is as much of a stretch of an idea as it felt like it was years ago.