Please stop adding achievements and leads to tales of tribute

imaslowlearner · October 2023

Tales of tribute is a bad game. Forcing people to play it with its horrible rng drops is a trash way to keep people engaged.

I don't want to debate if the game is bad on the tales of tribute forum as its probably an echo chamber of people that do enjoy the game, I just want to request zos stop trying to force people to play it by adding these things in future updates.

Also increase the drop rates for Card Conjurer and Spearhead items.

/rant

LukosCreyden · October 2023

I love tales of tribute. Really fun game.
Saying that, rewards should always relate to the game itself, or be more generic goodies.
AKA, having one of the leads you need for an antiquity being stuck behind the game is a poor decision. Either have all the leads for the antiquity in question be tied to the game, or none.

colossalvoids · October 2023

This one thing actually made me care less about achievement points, prioritising fun now to getting every single bit.

imaslowlearner · October 2023

There are so many options for other rewards too.

Gold tempers
Dragon Mats
even more transmutes
currency (gold, telvar, ap, writ vouchers)
good furnishing plans
housing mats
Motifs, even a unique one that can be tradeable

probably missed some other good options

spartaxoxo · October 2023

Leads are part of all content. Tales shouldn't be any different. I want more nice things in all forms of content and not just in the crown store.

imaslowlearner · October 2023

I'd argue new leads that come with new expansions/dlcs should not be locked behind tales of tribute which High Isle is required to access.

Imagine paying for new content, then being told you need to own the other content to fully enjoy the new content.

no reason to lock them behind ToT except they can't think where else to cram them at this point.

spartaxoxo · October 2023

imaslowlearner wrote: »

I'd argue new leads that come with new expansions/dlcs should not be locked behind tales of tribute which High Isle is required to access.

Imagine paying for new content, then being told you need to own the other content to fully enjoy the new content.

no reason to lock them behind ToT except they can't think where else to cram them at this point.

Leads have been behind dlc since before Tales was ever introduced.

Edit: Good example is Ring of the Pale Order requires Wrothgar, and that one actually effects gameplay. There's also others like the Anvil of Old Orsinium.

imaslowlearner · October 2023

yes, and I stand by what I said not just pertaining to ToT

spartaxoxo · October 2023

The music box lead that ToT has also requires Wrothgar, looking at the list of leads needed for it.

Leads are a Greymoor feature, so if that was the case, there wouldn't be any new leads at all for new zones.

imaslowlearner · October 2023

I still think if they release new leads they should be tied to the content that's being released.

I get the hypocrisy of not wanting any further achievements/leads involving ToT, and I am singling it out because it's drop rates and long matches make it quite un-enjoyable in my opinion.

Can't help that I dislike ToT, I'm not saying they shouldn't add better rewards to it. I would just prefer if they avoided adding achievements/leads for achievements in future updates.

AstroST · October 2023

colossalvoids wrote: »

This one thing actually made me care less about achievement points, prioritising fun now to getting every single bit.

This ^
I will never play ToT because I just hate card games. Since there achievments I will never get locked int it I now just don't care anymore for them in general.
This has made me realize how much dumb and boring grind I was doing instead of playing games for fun.

ToT has been my vaccine and I'm really gratefull for it.

KlauthWarthog · October 2023

I just ignore anything locked behind stuff I do not enjoy doing.
Doing stuff you dislike to afford stuff you need or want is called a "job", and I already have one of those.

Necrotech_Master · October 2023

imaslowlearner wrote: »

There are so many options for other rewards too.
Gold tempers

Dragon Mats

even more transmutes

currency (gold, telvar, ap, writ vouchers)

good furnishing plans

housing mats

Motifs, even a unique one that can be tradeable

probably missed some other good options

many of these things already come from tribute

i have gotten gold tempers (although they are rare)

i have also gotten dragon mats (and other alchemy mats), and housing mats (tribute is actually one of the best sources for housing mats)

it does have 1 unique style set too (pelins paragon)

every reward box gives gold, though i would not be opposed to other currencies either (if you play tribute as a match made game against another player, technically speaking that could count as pvp so it should be eligible for AP)

i do get furnishing plans on occasion too, but its mostly blue ones (though i have occasionally gotten a purple one, or at least one i still need to learn)

could the rewards be increased a bit? probably, but it can or does award a majority of the things that were listed

bulbousb16_ESO · October 2023

Please add gear sets that are uniquely available from ToT.

SilverBride · October 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The music box lead that ToT has also requires Wrothgar, looking at the list of leads needed for it.

The difference is that the Wrothgar lead is in a delve which all players are familiar with since delves have been around since launch and don't require a lot of practice and training to complete. But ToT does.

I realize they may have done this to encourage more players to participate in ToT but this is having the opposite effect.

ToT is such a specialized niche feature that any leads requiring it should be for ToT related rewards, not for new chapter features.

Necrotech_Master · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The music box lead that ToT has also requires Wrothgar, looking at the list of leads needed for it.

The difference is that the Wrothgar lead is in a delve which all players are familiar with since delves have been around since launch and don't require a lot of practice and training to complete. But ToT does.

I realize they may have done this to encourage more players to participate in ToT but this is having the opposite effect.

ToT is such a specialized niche feature that any leads requiring it should be for ToT related rewards, not for new chapter features.

if they wanted to encourage more participation they should have also increased the drop chance for the lead, then those people who dont like it are still participating, but not more than they have to instead of praying RNG favors them

instead we have several threads about people complaining about the drop rate of the lead, having to play ToT for the lead, or both lol

SilverBride · October 2023

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if they wanted to encourage more participation they should have also increased the drop chance for the lead, then those people who dont like it are still participating, but not more than they have to instead of praying RNG favors them

instead we have several threads about people complaining about the drop rate of the lead, having to play ToT for the lead, or both lol

I agree. The drop rate is abysmal. I played 42 games before I finally got it and I won't do it again.

Jaimeh · October 2023

I don't play ToT but I'm fine with having achievements and rewards drop there--rewards should be present in all areas of the game. Yes, it's a pain, when it's not an area you like or are good at, but that's why it's called an achievement--if you want to achieve it you have to go through the activity, and whether you like it or not is inconsequential, because every player will have different preferences, the game cannot cater to every single person. What ZOS should do for RNG related rewards imo is to improve the rates, and that is a reasonable ask, but removing rewards and achievements from a specific gameplay just because you don't enjoy it, is not the answer.

ESO_player123 · October 2023

I understand the frustration of people that dislike TOT that a lead is there. But how is this different from placing the leads to DLC dungeons ? 1)) not all people have access to them, 2) they are not related to Necrom 3) you need to rely on other people to get them (if you cannot solo them)

SilverBride · October 2023

I kept getting leads for this music box just from playing as I normally do. When I noticed I was only 3 leads away from completeing it I looked up where these last ones were and got 2 of them on the first try. Then I came to the ToT one that took a few days playing multiple ToT dailies on multiple characters, 42 games total, before I got this one. Something is wrong here.

And I know some players like ToT but MANY have no interest and have never played a single game of it, AND it is not an easy game to learn, AND they made the NPCs much more difficult to defeat than they were at the start.

Anything that only appeals to such a small section of the playerbase should NOT have a new furnishing in a new chapter locked in it.

Necrotech_Master · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

I kept getting leads for this music box just from playing as I normally do. When I noticed I was only 3 leads away from completeing it I looked up where these last ones were and got 2 of them on the first try. Then I came to the ToT one that took a few days playing multiple ToT dailies on multiple characters, 42 games total, before I got this one. Something is wrong here.

And I know some players like ToT but MANY have no interest and have never played a single game of it, AND it is not an easy game to learn, AND they made the NPCs much more difficult to defeat than they were at the start.

Anything that only appeals to such a small section of the playerbase should NOT have a new furnishing in a new chapter locked in it.

i always feel this game sometimes never drops what you want when you want it, only when your not actively looking for it lol

i actually got really lucky on my first music box lead and got it out of my first purple box after necrom released lol

i dont think ive gotten the lead a 2nd time, but im not actively trying to farm for it, i usually do 1 3-win npc tribute daily on a day that im working from home since i can play that without needing to really focus on it

spartaxoxo · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

I kept getting leads for this music box just from playing as I normally do. When I noticed I was only 3 leads away from completeing it I looked up where these last ones were and got 2 of them on the first try. Then I came to the ToT one that took a few days playing multiple ToT dailies on multiple characters, 42 games total, before I got this one. Something is wrong here.

And I know some players like ToT but MANY have no interest and have never played a single game of it, AND it is not an easy game to learn, AND they made the NPCs much more difficult to defeat than they were at the start.

Anything that only appeals to such a small section of the playerbase should NOT have a new furnishing in a new chapter locked in it.

I had the exact opposite RNG. I had the music box lead from ToT before I even knew the music box existed. It's other leads that have been stubborn. I also killed way over a thousand different big vampire dudes when I wanted the lead from the Reach. Poor RNG is not exclusive to ToT.

The niche activities are the ones that need leads the most, because that's how you get people to try content they hadn't tried before. Some of them will dislike it, but some will find that they actually enjoy it.

Mat picking, Housing, ToT, PvP, and group activities would all be excluded from achievements and leads if was based off size of the activity. But, I doubt people don't want furniture as a lead.

At the end of the day, there has only been a single lead source that people didn't complain about in a sizable number. A lead costing a small amount of currency from an NPC.

SilverBride · October 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I had the exact opposite RNG. I had the music box lead from ToT before I even knew the music box existed.

But you actively play ToT. Most players do not and MANY have never even tried it.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The niche activities are the ones that need leads the most, because that's how you get people to try content they hadn't tried before. Some of them will dislike it, but some will find that they actually enjoy it.

I think it will have the opposite effect. ToT is not easy to learn and experienced players will annihilate someone new to the game. And the NPCs are a LOT more difficult than they used to be. Struggling and constant defeat will will push me away from something, not toward it.

spartaxoxo · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I had the exact opposite RNG. I had the music box lead from ToT before I even knew the music box existed.

But you actively play ToT. Most players do not and MANY have never even tried it.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The niche activities are the ones that need leads the most, because that's how you get people to try content they hadn't tried before. Some of them will dislike it, but some will find that they actually enjoy it.

I think it will have the opposite effect. ToT is not easy to learn and experienced players will annihilate someone new to the game. And the NPCs are a LOT more difficult than they used to be. Struggling and constant defeat will will push me away from something, not toward it.

Many have never tried it, but the music box gives them a reason to do so. I actually have guild mates that actually ended up enjoying ToT because of this lead. And others that now despise it.

Some people will learn they liked it. Others will hate it.

I do think the people who don't like it shouldn't have to play it as extensively. Which is why I support an increase to the drop rate of leads. But I should be able to enjoy achievement and rewards when I play ToT, just like any other piece of the game.

SilverBride · October 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

But I should be able to enjoy achievement and rewards when I play ToT, just like any other piece of the game.

I agree, but rewards that are related to ToT and make sense.

ESO_player123 · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

But I should be able to enjoy achievement and rewards when I play ToT, just like any other piece of the game.

I agree, but rewards that are related to ToT and make sense.

Dungeons also drop leads that are not related to them.

freespirit · October 2023

I have said before and will say it again, I like ToT, I am not so keen on DLC dungeons nor Trials.....

Consequently I have way, way more than one lead locked behind content I find painful to do, everyone has their own playstyle, I find the constant griping about ToT and ONE lead very odd!

spartaxoxo · October 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

But I should be able to enjoy achievement and rewards when I play ToT, just like any other piece of the game.

I agree, but rewards that are related to ToT and make sense.

All content drops rewards that are not related to them. It makes sense for leads to come from anywhere and for all content types to be treated equally.

SilverBride · October 2023

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Groterdan · October 2023

Tot is rubbish . Worst thing they ever added .

Braffin · October 2023

Personally I don't play ToT, but of course do the players enjoying it have every right to be rewarded with rewards comparable to any other content in this game. This include leads.

Players, which don't enjoy or even despise this content aren't forced to do it after all. [Snip].

[Edited for minor bait]