Show support here for separate dedicated open world pvp/hardcore oldschool rules server

torplin · May 2014

Not going to happen.

A common sense approach for these game developers would be to make the standard "pve" or "pvp" servers with different rulesets. In pve servers, you have the option to toggle a switch that makes your character open for combat, if its not toggled, you don't have to worry about fights. In pvp servers, there is no toggle switch, its permanently "activated" and you can be attacked anywhere at anytime.

Sounds like a simple solution, right? Wrong. Look what happened with UO (open pvp at all times) and other mmorpg games that had open pvp, idiots play the game knowing full well what the pvp rules are, get rolled a bunch of times, cry and whine, and wind up having the rulesets fundamentally changed for everyone. Anyone who played UO in the old days will remember how drastically things changed with the introduction of Trammel. Now it seems like mmorpg that have pvp are shying away altogether from these kinds of rulesets, are simply deploying large battlegrounds, and totally removing the element of mixing PVE and PVP together.

You want pvp? Here's a gigantic & barren battleground peppered with a few trees, oh with mechanics that encourage zerging (AOE caps). Have fun.

Chryos · May 2014

torplin wrote: »

Not going to happen.

A common sense approach for these game developers would be to make the standard "pve" or "pvp" servers with different rulesets. In pve servers, you have the option to toggle a switch that makes your character open for combat, if its not toggled, you don't have to worry about fights. In pvp servers, there is no toggle switch, its permanently "activated" and you can be attacked anywhere at anytime.

Sounds like a simple solution, right? Wrong. Look what happened with UO (open pvp at all times) and other mmorpg games that had open pvp, idiots play the game knowing full well what the pvp rules are, get rolled a bunch of times, cry and whine, and wind up having the rulesets fundamentally changed for everyone. Anyone who played UO in the old days will remember how drastically things changed with the introduction of Trammel. Now it seems like mmorpg that have pvp are shying away altogether from these kinds of rulesets, are simply deploying large battlegrounds, and totally removing the element of mixing PVE and PVP together.

You want pvp? Here's a gigantic & barren battleground peppered with a few trees, oh with mechanics that encourage zerging (AOE caps). Have fun.

See above comment. Your on the wrong thread, and your opinion is not welcome here.

Chryos · May 2014

Theron75 wrote in another forum:

"WoW brought MMOs into the "mainstream". Online gaming was no longer for just the hardcore gamers. Stay-at-home moms, executives, neckbeards and basement dwellers, even 12 year old kids played WoW.

In the post-WoW era of online gaming, we have a bunch of whining crybabies who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. Get your ass kicked in PvP? Whine on the forums about class balance and "broken" abilities. Max level take too long? Whine. Not enough content to breeze through? Whine some more. Most of you will never know what a real grind is.

This is one of the biggest reasons why EvE Online has lasted as long as it has, and has a die hard following. It's the last real MMO left. The stuff these game factories churn out now are just multi-player console games or glorified chat programs."

This is exactly what I am talking about and campaign for a place where we actually have to claw our way to the top to get a sense of true accomplishment.

Ghenra · May 2014

All my support fort the first post. I want an owpvp server with oldschool rule set, I know that it is impossoble how is estructured the game and the new generations of cryplayers but dream is free.

Nazon_Katts · May 2014

When I first heard ZOS talking about the phasing system and mega server technology, I actually thought they'd be able to actually offer different rule sets through it, you could switch by setting up your preferences accordingly. And even though they apparently ran into a couple of problems with this tech, I believe that's still what they are aiming for. So later down the road, there might be a chance one could just flag for owpvp. Here's hoping.

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

Chryos wrote: »

For those of us who want a harder game with more consequence (since I cant get xp loss upon death).

Some of us want to play the old school hardcore way. Either we want a harsher xp loss penalty or we want a dedicated PvP server for our own. I would like protection against guild friendly fire and perhaps safe towns (all open to debate).

Alot of us older EQ1 and UO players miss the days when MMOs were a bit harder. We miss that open sandbox feel too. This is the place to show your support and discuss what you want in a harder server ruleset.

((If you dont wish to comment, hit agree please tho, so I can at least see a number count, thanks! If you comment tho, I'll hook you back up with a reaction too!))

(EDIT: This is a thread to show support and to discuss how we could make this work. It is not a thread to give reasons on why you think this idea should not happen, that's not the intent of this thread. The Intent is that ZOE might read this and make a decision on whether or not to give us a harder ruleset server so those like minded people can have a place to play ESO like they want to.)

(ADD: I can agree to no xp loss since pvp would be hard enough, and the griefing (perhaps to a degree) would be allowed, so that would make up for it)

If you like old school rules why not go back to an old school game? If this isnt your cup of tea then move on.

scy22b14_ESO · May 2014

The best part about DAOC was the dred servers. I'm all for open world, no forced faction PVP.

There are of course a lot of issues that come with it. Zone camping, player farming for easy points, etc. There would need to be a lot of effort in balancing the issues along with it. But if done right, there's no better gaming experience in my opinion.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO · May 2014

An open world pvp server would not work well. Every zone except cyrodiil would be reduced to constant stealth attacks by night blades, zergs that take over entire towns, and people getting shanked while taking to NPC'S for a quest. Open world pvp is a *** of rage-inducing assaults on my personal sanity.

Chryos · May 2014

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

An open world pvp server would not work well. Every zone except cyrodiil would be reduced to constant stealth attacks by night blades, zergs that take over entire towns, and people getting shanked while taking to NPC'S for a quest. Open world pvp is a *** of rage-inducing assaults on my personal sanity.

And that's exactly why are you here. Embrace it. It wants you.

No one said it would be easy.

Xsorus · May 2014

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

An open world pvp server would not work well. Every zone except cyrodiil would be reduced to constant stealth attacks by night blades, zergs that take over entire towns, and people getting shanked while taking to NPC'S for a quest. Open world pvp is a *** of rage-inducing assaults on my personal sanity.

This is untrue, after 1 month it'd be like the Dred servers in DAOC, 3 dudes sitting around drinking tea.

to the OP, go play Darkfall, you can't really make this type of game into a Dred Server type game.

Gisgo · May 2014

Yeah open pvp servers on Daoc were so cool... so cool... so cool nobody played there and they have been closed.

Good idea, im sure the DEVs are listening.

Chiefwilliams · May 2014

I would love that, my best mmo experience I ever had was on DAoC's motored server. Was free for all pvp, could kill your own faction and everything anywhere outside major cities. Couldn't attack guild mates tho but if you were in a group and someone pissed you off, you could leave group and kill them lol

darthbelanb14_ESO · May 2014

Chryos wrote: »

"Seeings as this is an open forum, and in all fairness both sides should be presented in a single thread, and not skewed to look like everyone agrees with this, I shall give my answer to this."

And you are just as free to make your own thread with your own rules. This is my thread. There is no debate on pros and cons of whether or not it's a good idea or not. You make your own, and lay out your intend. I can promise that if you make your own thread with your own rules, I wont come and try to throw it off track.

What you seem like you want to do is to throw your opinion into a thread that is unrelated to the message you are trying to convey. This is a discussion thread for pro-pvp server.

I am not trying to be rude but you insist on giving your opinion, which in this thread is not welcome. You either did not read my OP or chose to ignore it and/or defy it.

You will not convince anybody here that this is not something we (or at least I, even if I am the only one) do not want for ourselves.

That is the clearest way I can break it down. If you wish to discuss anything pro-pvp/hardcore ruleset and how we could make it work, then by all means discuss.

We specifically want what we want, but like I said, my intent is clearly stated. I have read your say and it is noted. This thread isnt skewed because I clearly state what the rules for discussion are. So this is indeed a biased thread.

You have good points for sure, but mainly this thread is for those that are "all in".

Very Respectfully,
Me.

Again, as this is a public forum, of which I am apart of, I can express my opinion in any thread as long as it abides by ZOS's terms, not yours. Also, why make a separate thread on the same subject and clutter the forums even further? My opinions on this subject are completely on-topic, and as you said won't sway anyone, so what's the harm?

Chryos · May 2014

True it is an open forum but the title is "Show your support" not a pros and cons or a debate. This is intended for like minded people to discuss ideas and the like in our little corner of the forum world. The clutter I am trying to keep out is those that don't bring anything positive to this thread. There is no rule that states I can not have a one sided or biased thread. It's just a matter of respect. If you had your own thread, with your guidelines, then I would respect that. Likewise, it would be nice if people did the same for my thread.

The problems come from people who are just hell bent on arguing their point. I know it's a personalty type that does this, they argue everything, all the time, to everyone. I am just saying thats not what this is. You can write or say whatever you want and all I can say is that it's not related to what we are talking about.

It's just like someone showing up at your party and ruining it for others just because you do not like parties.

(Theres no clutter to forums anyway, unless you have one channel that everyone posts everything on, other than that they are organized into threads, by subject title)

Chryos · May 2014

You guys know I am talking about them making a special hardcore rules server. If you arent down for that, then you would play on the regular server. The ones on the hardcore server would be the ones that are ok with the chaos. Hence, why a separate server.

There would be alot to iron out, none of which, would affect regular players because they wouldnt be in that game world.

Chryos · May 2014

@torplin Well thats your opinion, what works for me, may not work for you. But you cant say it wont work, just because it doesent work for you. It works for some of us, however many that might be.

Thechemicals · May 2014

So you can grief the people who came here as rpg players? No thx, even i, as a pvper, am not interested in ruining rpgers experience...that would make me a griefer. Are you a griefer?

Chryos · May 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

So you can grief the people who came here as rpg players? No thx, even i, as a pvper, am not interested in ruining rpgers experience...that would make me a griefer. Are you a griefer?

If your reffering to me (if u are this applies, if ur not reffering to me, disregard), have you even read what I'm talking about? A separate server? Read the whole conversation. A SEPARATE server, apart, from the PvE server. People are just glancing at forums and filling in the rest in their minds, instead of taking the time to read.

lao · May 2014

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

Chryos wrote: »

No and maybe. There is no need to segregate the community by adding another server. I actually believe that their shouldn't be a separate EU server either. There's plenty of room in Cyrodil that it feels like open world PvP. I've been caught with my pants down on more than one occasion solo questing in Cyrodil.

sure u can delete NA server and move EU server to europe. i dont mind that at all.

Chryos · May 2014

@darthbelanb14_ESO‌ That is not my quote, thats someones else quote.

lao · May 2014

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

The best part about DAOC was the dred servers. I'm all for open world, no forced faction PVP.

There are of course a lot of issues that come with it. Zone camping, player farming for easy points, etc. There would need to be a lot of effort in balancing the issues along with it. But if done right, there's no better gaming experience in my opinion.

DAoC was hands down the best and most competitive mmo ever made. the pvp servers however were bad and soon abandoned by anyone remotely good at the game. it fast became home for all the dropouts that couldnt make the cut in the competitive aspect of the game. i love open world pvp games but it simply doesnt work in a game with levels and classes. it will always end up with some trash tiers camping lowbies all day effectively making the lowbies quit out of boredom. this stop any influx of new players and therefor the server dies.

if u want open world pvp u need to have a system that allows new players to compete with the highest developed chars on the server after a very short time. UO/DFUW come to mind.

this is only archievable due to the game actually beeing playerskill based. playerskill based games arent usually made anymore due to the fact that todays generation of mmo players mainly consists of kids, housewifes, ppl with down syndrome, casuals, crybabies, casual crybabies, casual crybabies with down syndrome and worse.

again, thanks for opening up the genre to those lesser forms of gamers, blizzard. i hope u burn in hell for eternety for that.

Chryos · May 2014

I bought DAoC when it first came out, then had to quit due to deploying so I missed out on a great game before it became really great. Theres got to be something out there that makes me feel like I've accomplished something by clawing my way to the top, just like I felt in EQ1, doesent have to be pvp, it could be pve. It'd be nice to play a game where everyone just can get a magic or epic weapon get on day one. I remember standing in awe at those holding epics in the freeport tunnel in EQ. I was level 6 before I even got a crappy magic sword. Those were the days. Is there anything out there like that nowdays?

Chryos · May 2014

EQ1 was my first MMORPG and it will always be the game i judge all others by.

Kewljag_66_ESO · May 2014

I am oldschool PVP... But I actually really like this Cyrodiil PVP. making passes on the towns and catching enemy players and waiting along the paths where enemies go to get to the keep siges is quite fun. I ambush all day long and I am actually contributing to the war effort for my side.

Thechemicals · May 2014

Chryos wrote: »

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

An open world pvp server would not work well. Every zone except cyrodiil would be reduced to constant stealth attacks by night blades, zergs that take over entire towns, and people getting shanked while taking to NPC'S for a quest. Open world pvp is a *** of rage-inducing assaults on my personal sanity.

And that's exactly why are you here. Embrace it. It wants you.

No one said it would be easy.

You are correct, i misread and apologize. The confusion came when the title said "hardcore" and "old school" which i immediately thought of Ultima Online where everyone is subject to openworld pvp, no such thing as non-pvp servers. I guess they dont make pvpers like they used to.

Chryos · May 2014

I give you an awesome for that Thechemicals.

unlimitedwarriorb14_ESO · May 2014

well if you want it make your own game and play in your little world, sorry wont happen here.