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How do you pronounce it?
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistisadoraisacat wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »I'm not sure the linked page is the best guide, it concerns ceramics. In any case, the pronunciation would probably also vary by country: the USA pronunciation would no doubt be very different to the European, UK or Australian (for example).
I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”
So am I lol but I still say Ar ka nist lol, and I’m southern to boot
Even Zos calls it that. The early example where someone used Lorkhan doesn’t work because the emphasis comes from the kh. There isn’t any in arcanist. There’s no e, and the word isn’t arcane. It’s clearly pronounced Ar can ist. Sound it out y’all.
I’m northern too boot. And the dictionary even says ar-cane-ist the root word is arcane not arcan that’s not a word. I did sound it out you all.
Thats not how pronunciation works. Example, profane- profanity. Its pro fan ity, not pro fane ity. Root words don't dictate pronunciation.Edited by BardokRedSnow on 21 April 2023 21:31Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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isadoraisacat✭✭✭✭✭are cane istBardokRedSnow wrote: »I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”isadoraisacat wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »I'm not sure the linked page is the best guide, it concerns ceramics. In any case, the pronunciation would probably also vary by country: the USA pronunciation would no doubt be very different to the European, UK or Australian (for example).
I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”
So am I lol but I still say Ar ka nist lol, and I’m southern to boot
Even Zos calls it that. The early example where someone used Lorkhan doesn’t work because the emphasis comes from the kh. There isn’t any in arcanist. There’s no e, and the word isn’t arcane. It’s clearly pronounced Ar can ist. Sound it out y’all.
I’m northern too boot. And the dictionary even says ar-cane-ist the root word is arcane not arcan that’s not a word. I did sound it out you all.
Thats not how pronunciation works. Example, profane- profanity. Its pro fan ity, not pro fane ity. Root words don't dictate pronunciation. [/quote]
I don’t known I don’t like how arka-nist sounds here it takes away from the root word here which is ARCANE aka magic. Arkanist sounds like someone from Arkansas who is running into politics or something3 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistxD To each their ownEdited by BardokRedSnow on 21 April 2023 21:30Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭✭Are ka nistAn arcanist in other fantasy settings, like Dungeons and Dragons, is pronounced Ark-a-nist. Or Are-ka-nist since that's pronounced the same. Which is how I also pronounce it.
If ya want the pronunciation to be different phonetically, then it should be Are-Kay-Nist, which is the first option, or Are-Kah-Nist. If you meant Are-Kah-nist, then no absolutely not.Edited by merpins on 22 April 2023 00:270 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistReally, it doesn't matter how anyone pronounces it. Some people might be saying it aloud in Discord.... but at least I won't be doing so. Nor likely many others.
It's not a major issue.______________________________________________________
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistJust as a point of "pronunciantion is what happens when you grow up somewhere"....
I offer this fact: husband is from southern Utah. He hasn't lived there since he was 18 - but he still pronounces the word "hurricane" as "harrickan" - which is the local (to southern Utah) pronounciation (and Hurricane - pronounced "harrickan" - is a town not too far from the major pop center in SoUT).
The US is full of colloquial dialects. I was born in Missouri, was moved to California, then Texas, then Kentucky, then back to Texas, then back to California - all before I was 10. And then I was moved to Vegas, where I lived until I was in my 40s.
I don't have much of an "accent" - people tell me my voice sounds "flat". Probably because there were too many influences over the years we moved around. And the bottom line? Every one of us is an individual, with innumerable pressures on our vocal expressions depending on birth and culture.
So y;know? There's not a "RIGHT" pronunciation here. Because each of us is different, and we all approach words and names in the ESO fantasy setting from individual angles. Don't sweat it folks. It's not a win-lose proposition - the only people who hear you say it are going to be on voice chat or discord....
Thankfully, I don't do either.Edited by TaSheen on 22 April 2023 02:24______________________________________________________
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English pronunciation is irretrievably broken. Here, have a laugh at this: http://www.ojohaven.com/fun/crazy.htmlBardokRedSnow wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »I'm not sure the linked page is the best guide, it concerns ceramics. In any case, the pronunciation would probably also vary by country: the USA pronunciation would no doubt be very different to the European, UK or Australian (for example).
I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”
So am I lol but I still say Ar ka nist lol, and I’m southern to boot
Even Zos calls it that. The early example where someone used Lorkhan doesn’t work because the emphasis comes from the kh. There isn’t any in arcanist. There’s no e, and the word isn’t arcane. It’s clearly pronounced Ar can ist. Sound it out y’all.
I’m northern too boot. And the dictionary even says ar-cane-ist the root word is arcane not arcan that’s not a word. I did sound it out you all.
Thats not how pronunciation works. Example, profane- profanity. Its pro fan ity, not pro fane ity. Root words don't dictate pronunciation.
There are exceptions to just about every rule in English, including for pronunciation, because it's a mix of who knows how many other languages. Give me French any day, it makes far more sense (and sounds gorgeous).PC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3900 -
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✭✭are cane istACamaroGuy wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »
I’m Italian American from the east coast and I say “ar-cane-ist”Kiralyn2000 wrote: »American north-east, but not New Yawk or Bahstan.
I’m not from either of those places but the place most gavone stereotypes come from on tv.
I'm also an American Italian from the east coast and I say it the same way.
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Too bad they do not have the only correct way to pronounce Arcanist, at least yet.2 -
isadoraisacat✭✭✭✭✭are cane istFeedbackOnly wrote: »ACamaroGuy wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »
I’m Italian American from the east coast and I say “ar-cane-ist”Kiralyn2000 wrote: »American north-east, but not New Yawk or Bahstan.
I’m not from either of those places but the place most gavone stereotypes come from on tv.
I'm also an American Italian from the east coast and I say it the same way.
I am from the West saying it the same way
I think it comes down to focusing on the root word which is arcane. To me arcane is a magical word.
To me ARCANE-ist makes the most emphasis on the most important part of the word.
Some letters are silent in the English language for whatever silly reason so I don’t even think about the lack of e because an arcan isn’t a thing.1 -
isadoraisacat✭✭✭✭✭are cane isthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31jRIhtvqo
Too bad they do not have the only correct way to pronounce Arcanist, at least yet.
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✭✭✭✭✭I pronounce it Tem-plarALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2 -
Anumaril✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistI feel like the first two options are the same, but I pronounce it like
Ar - kah - nist1 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Is it..
Pianoist or Pianist?
Alchemyist or Alchemist?
Anarchyist or Anarchist?
Bicycleist or Bicyclist?
Typeist or Typist?
Therapyist or Therapist?
Aquariumist or Aquarist?
You don't just add letters to the words pronunciation because it may have existed in its root word, or this language would be even more confusing and weird than it already is. So it is not Arcane-ist, its Arcanist.. or else the word would still have an e in it.Edited by Caligamy_ESO on 24 April 2023 08:16love is love4 -
FlyLeaf30✭✭✭are cane istToe-may-toe
Ta-ma-toe
It's all about how "you" want to pronounce it.
People from the UK might say it like,
-Ark-ka-nist-
Whereas people from the US might say it like,
-Ar-cane-ist-
It's your preference darling.Guildmaster of Aldmeri Elite (PVE) and Tamriel Trade Center (Trading)Master Adventurer (main) Kilara Delecour0 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Are ka nistKiralyn2000 wrote: »
My sister. Who also pronounces "Skyrim" as "Skirr-im". Don't ask me.... I don't know why.______________________________________________________
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Cin_Vhetin✭✭✭I don't feel the need to have a "correct" pronunciation for this. I like to imagine a new class that is Arcanist but can be called Arkie. Like Arkansians may at times be called, in a companionable way of course. But if I had to choose, it would be with a a modified vowel and emphasis; as in AR-kan-ist, with the emphasis on AR. Ar-CAYN-ist just doesn't feel right.Better a warrior in the garden than a gardener at war. - Japanese proverb
You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing things with logic. True power is restraint. If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass. - Warren Buffet1 -
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✭✭If arch-anist is not correct, aRRRR-ka-nist or that-migraine-inducing-class. (The little I've tried in PTS, the bright green Sci-Fi effects actually do get bit uncomfortable for me.)0 -
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✭✭✭Are ka nistisadoraisacat wrote: »I think it comes down to focusing on the root word which is arcane. To me arcane is a magical word.
To me ARCANE-ist makes the most emphasis on the most important part of the word.
Some letters are silent in the English language for whatever silly reason so I don’t even think about the lack of e because an arcan isn’t a thing.
As others have pointed out (esp. with that profane - profanity example), that's not how English pronunciation works. (Assuming English pronunciation works at all, which I'm not too sure of.) Then there's also "arcana" ( https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arcanum ).
Now, does that "prove" a certain pronunciation? Certainly not, we're talking about English after all.* But it means that a pronunciation closely following "arcane" doesn't automatically follow.
* If "Arcanist" were some random place in England, it would probably be pronounced "knayst".
P.S. In "arcane", the E may be silent, but it has a function. The E that suggests that the previous syllable (-can-) is a long glide, so pronounced like "cane". Notice how you differentiate between "can" and "cane" by adding a silent E.
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isadoraisacat✭✭✭✭✭are cane istKiralyn2000 wrote: »
My sister. Who also pronounces "Skyrim" as "Skirr-im". Don't ask me.... I don't know why.isadoraisacat wrote: »I think it comes down to focusing on the root word which is arcane. To me arcane is a magical word.
To me ARCANE-ist makes the most emphasis on the most important part of the word.
Some letters are silent in the English language for whatever silly reason so I don’t even think about the lack of e because an arcan isn’t a thing.
As others have pointed out (esp. with that profane - profanity example), that's not how English pronunciation works. (Assuming English pronunciation works at all, which I'm not too sure of.) Then there's also "arcana" ( https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arcanum ).
Now, does that "prove" a certain pronunciation? Certainly not, we're talking about English after all.* But it means that a pronunciation closely following "arcane" doesn't automatically follow.
* If "Arcanist" were some random place in England, it would probably be pronounced "knayst".
P.S. In "arcane", the E may be silent, but it has a function. The E that suggests that the previous syllable (-can-) is a long glide, so pronounced like "cane". Notice how you differentiate between "can" and "cane" by adding a silent E.
This sounds like your riding only on British English. In my state alone (and even with my different parts of my stare we differ greatly ) we speak different than the rest of the country. You compare America all the different regions the uk to Australia and than Canada and you get very different ways to say things. But the way a Brit says something ain’t gonna be the same as someone from the USA says it and even different among each region.Edited by isadoraisacat on 25 April 2023 22:291 -
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✭Are ka nistisadoraisacat wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”isadoraisacat wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »isadoraisacat wrote: »I'm not sure the linked page is the best guide, it concerns ceramics. In any case, the pronunciation would probably also vary by country: the USA pronunciation would no doubt be very different to the European, UK or Australian (for example).
I’m American born and raised and I say “ar-cane-ist”
So am I lol but I still say Ar ka nist lol, and I’m southern to boot
Even Zos calls it that. The early example where someone used Lorkhan doesn’t work because the emphasis comes from the kh. There isn’t any in arcanist. There’s no e, and the word isn’t arcane. It’s clearly pronounced Ar can ist. Sound it out y’all.
I’m northern too boot. And the dictionary even says ar-cane-ist the root word is arcane not arcan that’s not a word. I did sound it out you all.
Thats not how pronunciation works. Example, profane- profanity. Its pro fan ity, not pro fane ity. Root words don't dictate pronunciation.
I don’t known I don’t like how arka-nist sounds here it takes away from the root word here which is ARCANE aka magic. Arkanist sounds like someone from Arkansas who is running into politics or something [/quote]
On the topic of magical, the major and minor Ar-can-as of the tarot exist, which also comes from the root word ArcaneEdited by Ishtarknows on 26 April 2023 09:211
