MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

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PrincessOfThieves wrote: »

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

If every DoT and every light attack is standardised, then only the overpowered will hate the changes.

everyone is becoming equal, it is "Our" damage now comrade, no longer will the powerful gatekeep trials with demands of "Link achievement" of this corporate meritocracy........

Or you can change up your bar set up and have "fun" in the "game".

Oh, the "gatekeeping" will be way worse if this goes live. They aren't changing the content, they're nerfing players... Which means that less players will be able to do it. Less people will be able to carry unexperienced players.
And if you're pugging, queue times are about to get worse. Tanks and healers are already discouraged from using group finder because average dps is very low, and it's much lower in this pts patch. Some people reported their damage dropping to 15k.

25k*. They added Major Slayer to the trial dummy, so early parses usually don't take into consideration that their damage is 10% higher than normal despite being 25% lower. Also my stam sorc went down by 40k damage, and my stamden went down by 30k damage. Some classes got it better than others, but sorc and warden really got big hits. And though Templar faired well in comparison, their two best skills now feel like garbage to use, so even a 20k dps loss feels more like a 40k dps loss or more when I don't even want to play my templar anymore since ZoS made the skills feel like hot garbage to use (looking at you, new jabs).

Oh, I know. I mean literally 15k. On 3 mil dummy, but still.
And I don't like how they buffed the dummy while nerfing players... It really looks like they wanted to make it look less impactful.

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

If every DoT and every light attack is standardised, then only the overpowered will hate the changes.

everyone is becoming equal, it is "Our" damage now comrade, no longer will the powerful gatekeep trials with demands of "Link achievement" of this corporate meritocracy........

Or you can change up your bar set up and have "fun" in the "game".

if you were bad at the game before, you are still gonne be bad 100%

As a templar main since beta, YES! Actually I do, the new burning light, the longer buffs/dots AND finally Radiant aura will be more viable than ever.

Regarding the new jabs animation I love the new "spear" look cause it's more like a lance wich makes it more "paladin like" to me and it feels GREAT to use. The only thing is the very first move feels off compared to the second and third since the character is almost pulling it down from above. I would change that just a bit.

I mean it's really time to update many animations of the game, some of them are just plain bad. Check out the new flurry animation, it's awesome. You can finally use axes/maces and slash/swing like a moron! I loved the old thrust animation for daggers but for the other weapons I hated it.

If you haven't tried templar on the PTS do it. This patch will open up the class and give it more flexibility than ever.

No one is talking about it yet, but the patch is badly affecting classes that don't have access to reliable healing skills and classes that don't have good spammables.

Well, i finally got myself to cancel my 3 month ESO+ Subs thanks to this update. Mostly due to the Oakensoul nerfs.

Best and only voice we have is to deny money

Only thing i don't like is jabs new animation.

A lot of the people that were present last PTS and on the Forums Generally know this, but I speak specifically from a Warden point of view, I can't really speak to where other classes sit, but Warden got Worse. A LOT worse.

The DoT Duration just by itself is a baffling change, I understand the Weaving to a degree but 20s Durations are extremely boring, you are taking taking the the rotation out of the Rotation. If you have groups or Bosses standing still for 20s without moving, that's really boring. Boss Battles should be dynamic people needing to adjust to new threats and mechanics. Not spamming 1 button for 20s waiting to press Dots to press that same button for 20 more seconds.

But over to Warden.

First the Good Changes, I refuse to go on a rant without giving Zos a little credit where they did good:

-Wings got their Snare Immunity, which is fantastic, we've been asking for that, simple fix and it's there.

-A small Budding Seeds Buff which is nice.

-Crystalized Slab had it's CD Removed, actually kind of huge against multi-hit ranged attacks that get blocked.

-Frozen Armor got an Unneeded Buff, but more tanky is good I guess

-Eternal Guardians Execute is now 150% which is a beefy hit, Hemorrhage from Feral is still better but at least the option is there.

-Screaming Cliff Racer is a false positive, they got rid of the stupid range thing, added an weapon/spell damage buff to it, but it's still Birds and is partially tied to Off-Balance so I still hate it.

Now, that's the good + the Screaming Cliff Racer False Positive situation, now the bad.

-Arctic Blast, looks ok until you actually look at it, the Burst Heal scales off Max Stats, GREAT, but you want it running for as lonf as possible to capitalize on the Damage and BLOCKABLE STUN. There's 2 AoE Blockable Stuns in Arctic Blast 1 at the 2nd tick and the last tick, so essentially 4s and 10s. Zos is obsessed with people having counterplay to Arctic Blast's Stun, before it was 3 damage ticks, then it was 5 damage ticks, now it's 2nd tick (which still means it's 4 seconds till you can stun someone btw) and you can block it. Just let me stun someone for the love of GOD. Also it's Duration isn't even on Par with the rest of the AoE DoT Standards that THEY JUST SET.

-Advanced Species, The biggest factor to a Warden's damage across the board was Advanced species, for the uninitiated it used to add 2% damage per animal companion skill slotted, now it adds 990. Pen is a good stat to have, but it's less important that damage considering there are much easier ways for players to get Pen. So Wardens just lost 6-12% Damage across the board from that one change.

-Winter's Revenge was the redeeming quality of Frost Wardens, we may have not had a lot of good frost abilities, but our one good one, it was GOOD. But with the DoT Duration increase I guess it was mega powerful because they hit it with 33% sledge. People say it was dunking on other Class AoEs, maybe But Warden definitely wasn't. I would have much preferred them reduce the Piercing Cold Passive, which is the highest Class Elemental Damage Buff in the Game, then see where Winter's Revenge Sits. But either way, Winter's Revenge just feels sad now.

-Birds still have their special thing tied to a ranged aspect of Proccing Off-Balance. It's a Stupid Hoop. Birds are still slow. I hate them and I hate that Zos tried to make Screaming Cliff Racers interesting without addressing the Hoop Issue that everyone has been asking about.

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I like some changes to skill effects (like Jabs weaving), not a fan of dot duration increase, 2s hot ticks and LA flat damage. As a DK main I didn't suffer that much, but my second favourite character, a Warden got absolutely destroyed with the changes, at least with Advanced Species alone.
My Nightblade fan friend is overjoyed even with flat damage decrease, Sorc users cry silently in the corner.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

I like some changes to skill effects (like Jabs weaving), not a fan of dot duration increase, 2s hot ticks and LA flat damage. As a DK main I didn't suffer that much, but my second favourite character, a Warden got absolutely destroyed with the changes, at least with Advanced Species alone.
My Nightblade fan friend is overjoyed even with flat damage decrease, Sorc users cry silently in the corner.

Sorc this patch is going to be, by a fair margin, the indisputable king/queen of crafting.

I have heard that there will be many openings for Wardens to branch out into home decor as well.

My imperial stam sorc is preparing for a fulfilling career as a daily writ runner because at least he gets +1% gold from it lol. He isn't gonna be able to do squat otherwise.

This "revamp" is lazy and ignorant.

In typical Zos fashion, they took things that were overperforming, and instead of retuning them, just made them entirely useless. The "bait & switch" of the mythic ring was expected. Zos does that every time they release a new chapter. So let's ignore that one. More than half of the rest of the changes are still ludicrously short sighted. I won't bother listing them, because everyone knows it.

It's week one, so there's still a chance they realize their massive mistakes. But who is actually holding out hope for that?

It's getting increasingly difficult to justify spending time on this game...

I'd be embarrassed if I were in charge right now with the magnitude of the announced changes, especially so soon after a major chapter update.

It is one thing to find a game in need of some tuning here and there, but when you feel the need to push double-digit percentage changes, clearly something has already failed.

No. the changes are awful, good thing this game is free to play to a certain point tho. the past year has been seriously alienating for a lot of the player base. Buff x nerf y, rebuff y cause nerf w, nerf w cause buff x then buff everything by 100% then nerf this by 30% now buff x by 100% again. Are they just going with trial and error like what ? regardless of how much we test stuff they still do random stuff that makes no sense every update its literally just funny now. Warden buffs are okay I guess. the offensive purge set also looks nice I have to say tho. I know Ill adapt my builds but its just frustrating finding nice/unique play styles, making em work after a lot of time adjusting and spending ressources just to have them completely gutted few weeks after. The changes to dots will make pressure builds completely unviable in pvp which is really sad. it was already not too good on anything else than dk. .

BalticBlues wrote: »

BRING WROBEL BACK.

Funny, I was sure I was the only one thinking this. At least he didn’t balance the game to a spreadsheet.