Please Stop Conceding Until Fixed

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Currently, if you’re working on the “Dueling Tributes” daily and the other player concedes instead of losing normally, your “victory” doesn’t count towards the daily.

So far today, I’ve won 4 games in a row. But, the other player saw they were losing, so they chose to quickly lose instead of stick it out. This is screwing me over and ticking me off.

At this point, conceding is feeling like trolling.

ZOS, please change/fix this daily.

Naomi_K · June 2022

I thought this has been fixed. Matches where the other player conceded have been counting towards the daily for me.

honestaly · June 2022

Not me... my biggest fear is that my opponent will concede and I will have to play yet another PvP match to work my way through the daily. I wish Conceding worked properly.

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Naomi_K wrote: »

I thought this has been fixed. Matches where the other player conceded have been counting towards the daily for me.

They’re definitely not counting towards the daily if the other player concedes. At least not in ranked matches. I haven’t tried unranked.

DinoZavr · June 2022

Not working for me too. I always play unranked. Like 10 games a day, as i m still learning. Level 7 currently.
Typically in 2 .. 3 of 10 cases my opponents flee, when they decide they are losing.
And these "victories" do NOT count towards the daily quest.

When i am losing i just punch "End Turn" hourglasses, but i still hope @ZOS would implement "i surrender" button, as in the cases when your opponent is lucky to grab some good card like Armory and the Tavern is stale (consists of 8s and 9s) you have nothing worthy to buy and spend several turn with no progress, while your opponent's advantage grows steadily. In such cases i realize i am already lost like at turn 5 .. 6 and would like to end the match i will lose in next 8 .. 10 minutes. No "concede" button, though. I still play these games till the end to provide the proper credits to my opponents.

Vaoh · June 2022

Also seems like you do not get Leaderboard points either. Extremely frustrating.

Today I queued up Ranked and beat this person on the leaderboard to improve my score.
- Requeued..... got the same opponent, after a long match I was going to hit 80 prestige cut off to win the game and they conceded.
- Requeued..... again the same opponent, after short match, I’m outplaying them, they concede again.

And I get no credit 🤷‍♂️ So I’m done with it because it’s a total waste of time.

If ZOS is worried about players boosting each other, put some sort of restriction that after you have beaten a player twice in a row, you cannot be queued with them again for 1-2 days or something

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

And I get no credit 🤷‍♂️ So I’m done with it because it’s a total waste of time

I don’t blame you. This is extremely frustrating.

Cireous · June 2022

Please fix this ZOS. Everyone is doing this now.
My daily must get done!
Grrrrrr....

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Cireous wrote: »

Please fix this ZOS. Everyone is doing this now.
My daily must get done!
Grrrrrr....

Yeah, it’s gotten REALLY bad the past couple of days. Everyone is conceding. It’s awful!!!!

Vaoh · June 2022

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And I get no credit 🤷‍♂️ So I’m done with it because it’s a total waste of time

I don’t blame you. This is extremely frustrating.

It gets better.

I had 1156 score on the leaderboard. My next two games were those ones I mentioned where the player conceded. I then played another match thinking hey, I’m never going to bother with the leaderboard after this week so maybe I’ll attempt to push on....

Well I lost the match (nope, I did not concede) and this caused me to lose 1000 points. What kind of broke leaderboard is this lol. So yeah. Besides obviously pushing to finish achievements, my interest in Ranked ToT is now gone.

Paulytnz · June 2022

First time I had a player concede to me or they were kicked out of the game I was reset back to zero wins. This was in ranked and I was already at 2 wins. I had to RESTART that whole day. This needs looking at.

NeeScrolls · June 2022

Cireous wrote: »

Please fix this ZOS. Everyone is doing this now.

Paulytnz wrote: »

This needs looking at.

Looks like @ZOS_ team is on the case--> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans

alternatelder · June 2022

NeeScrolls wrote: »

Cireous wrote: »

Please fix this ZOS. Everyone is doing this now.

Paulytnz wrote: »

This needs looking at.

Looks like @ZOS_ team is on the case--> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans

This exploit is unrelated to what the op is talking about.

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

NeeScrolls wrote: »

Cireous wrote: »

Please fix this ZOS. Everyone is doing this now.

Paulytnz wrote: »

This needs looking at.

Looks like @ZOS_ team is on the case--> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans

I don’t know that we can say for sure that’s what their post was about. It sounds more like the other player was somehow forcing a win for themselves, not conceding.
I’d be real interested to know how they were doing this, just out of curiosity. But obviously we can’t discuss that here.

wolfie1.0. · June 2022

There needsnto be a way for players to concede a match if there is a known win for the other player without penalty to either one. This is a native feature of every online and irl card game I have ever played.

Not having such a feature will promote things like timing out opponents, going afk, trolling opponents, toxic whispers, and every thing else.

Vaoh · June 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

There needsnto be a way for players to concede a match if there is a known win for the other player without penalty to either one. This is a native feature of every online and irl card game I have ever played.

Not having such a feature will promote things like timing out opponents, going afk, trolling opponents, toxic whispers, and every thing else.

I’d think it would be as simple as “after 5 turns, concession = loss” or “after someone reaches 15 prestige, concession = loss”

Marginis · June 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

There needsnto be a way for players to concede a match if there is a known win for the other player without penalty to either one. This is a native feature of every online and irl card game I have ever played.

Not having such a feature will promote things like timing out opponents, going afk, trolling opponents, toxic whispers, and every thing else.

I’d think it would be as simple as “after 5 turns, concession = loss” or “after someone reaches 15 prestige, concession = loss”

Concede literally means you admit defeat. A defeat, or "loss", should be what is counted if a player concedes, no matter how long the game has gone on, if they've so much as started the game.

Necrotech_Master · June 2022

Marginis wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

There needsnto be a way for players to concede a match if there is a known win for the other player without penalty to either one. This is a native feature of every online and irl card game I have ever played.

Not having such a feature will promote things like timing out opponents, going afk, trolling opponents, toxic whispers, and every thing else.

I’d think it would be as simple as “after 5 turns, concession = loss” or “after someone reaches 15 prestige, concession = loss”

Concede literally means you admit defeat. A defeat, or "loss", should be what is counted if a player concedes, no matter how long the game has gone on, if they've so much as started the game.

i think its more trying to prevent people from gaming the system, which is why the cooldown is applied on forfeit so you cant just spam the queue with a friend and you always forfeit if you fought them as a type of "boosting"

Jaimeh · June 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

And I get no credit 🤷‍♂️ So I’m done with it because it’s a total waste of time

I don’t blame you. This is extremely frustrating.

It gets better.

I had 1156 score on the leaderboard. My next two games were those ones I mentioned where the player conceded. I then played another match thinking hey, I’m never going to bother with the leaderboard after this week so maybe I’ll attempt to push on....

Well I lost the match (nope, I did not concede) and this caused me to lose 1000 points. What kind of broke leaderboard is this lol. So yeah. Besides obviously pushing to finish achievements, my interest in Ranked ToT is now gone.

What's mind-boggling is that this was supposed to be the new feature that the chapter brought out (like companions was last years, antiquities the year before and so on), and it's released in such a buggy way, frustrating players and dampening their enjoyment at best, or flat out wiping their will to play. Why didn't they release it in a better state, or if it was so impossible (and mind you, players were doing free testing on the PTS as well), why didn't they wait to release it in Q4... A lot of the playerbase have said they would like sparser releases if it means better quality, instead of half-baked stuff, like the AWA system... Meanwhile we're paying handsomely for every release and then have to wait till all the game-breaking bugs are ironed out (if they ever will) in order to be able to play said features.

MidniteOwl1913 · June 2022

I won't be playing against anyone but NPCs until this is fixed. The game takes long enough as it is, but being forced to finish a game that I have obviously lost (or be a *** and forfeit robbing the other player of their reward) sounds just horrible. Boring for me, boring for them, just no! And when I start playing against real people I expect to lose quite a bit for a while, the NPCs are not a very good way to learn the game.

Lluanda · June 2022

Yeah this is absolutely disgusting. I won 5 out of 7 games in total today, but none counting towards the daily as every single "win" was a player quitting the moment they knew they would lose. No credit for the stupid daily which is all I was trying to do for today. And you can't even avoid running into those idiots again as they keep queueing and doing the same thing throughout the day. I also lost more towards ranking up than I gained even though I won most of the games.

Ranked games are just a huge waste of time until they do something about this.

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Lluanda wrote: »

Ranked games are just a huge waste of time until they do something about this.

Agree!!!!!!!

DinoZavr · June 2022

i also have to agree with @Lluanda
when your opponent pulls of the wire / disables Wi-Fi after 3 .. 5+ minutes of playing this is unsportsmanlike.
(to put it mildly).
This kills my incentive to play (well.. i speak for myself in this case).

@ZOS_Kevin - tagged you for the visibility. It would be great to hear if and when Zenimax plan to fix this?
Leaving the system "as is" does not sound good. I hope Zenimax employees play the game time for time,
please, ask them what do THEY feel and think about the matter?

The phenomena is less often in unranked (but still 20..30% of games for me).
I stopped thinking about completing daily vs players, as green coffers also may drop good things, though quite rare.
If i manage to get one purple and three blue coffers this day, that is a good luck, if not - well.. i was too keen anyhow..

SilverBride · June 2022

I've never conceded a game, even if I'm losing badly. I figure I learn from my mistakes and will keep trying until the end.

FlopsyPrince · June 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

There needsnto be a way for players to concede a match if there is a known win for the other player without penalty to either one. This is a native feature of every online and irl card game I have ever played.

Not having such a feature will promote things like timing out opponents, going afk, trolling opponents, toxic whispers, and every thing else.

I realize it sucks for you, but why would I want to waste my time (5-10 minutes at least) when I know I am doomed? What is the point?

Shows again why the game is dubious in an MMO.

Casdha · June 2022

I finally had this (someone conceding early) happen to me twice last night. I'm not sure about the points but I did get the reward coffers mailed to me for winning.

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Casdha wrote: »

I finally had this (someone conceding early) happen to me twice last night. I'm not sure about the points but I did get the reward coffers mailed to me for winning.

Yeah, you’ll still get the reward containers in the mail. I’m not sure about points either. I never paid attention to that after I hit Rubedite.

This thread is about not receiving daily quest credit when players concede.

Casdha · June 2022

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

I finally had this (someone conceding early) happen to me twice last night. I'm not sure about the points but I did get the reward coffers mailed to me for winning.

Yeah, you’ll still get the reward containers in the mail. I’m not sure about points either. I never paid attention to that after I hit Rubedite.

This thread is about not receiving daily quest credit when players concede.

Ok, I had already completed my dailies when this happened.