The cowards that run away from a fair fight....

Valn · April 2014

I was doing some solo pvp for a while, came across this AD player, who must have been some stealth nightblade with a maxed out set up or something because she killed me in under 3 seconds and there was nothing i could do about it because i was stunned the entire time...(really fair fight) and kept on putting this red mark on me (they were a ranged class, I was melee and we all know ranged dominates in this game) and they are veteran 6 (im veteran 5) but I did manage to get them to about 10% health before they started running away in vampire form like a coward.

Has anyone else been amused by this when someone runs away with their tail between their legs (after they attack YOU first)?

LadyChaos · April 2014

It's been a while since I tried to get away from a fight I picked... but I have run when I see reinforcements on the hill and not sure if I can finish the deal before they get there.

I picked a fight with a lvl 30something last week who turned out to have some serious teeth. Wish I had frappsed the fight.. he put up a really good fight... we relocated the fight a couple times before it was over.

Azarul · April 2014

Yes, Vampires have been running away from me for days. really annoying. However I disagree with you on the range dominating part. I do pretty well with my 2hand melee. You have to be smart of course you cant expect to charge into 20 guys and come out alive, but 1v1 vs any range I like my chances very much.

Vlas · April 2014

I swap ranged/melee, its why you get 2 bars :P

If you get "stunned", then right click then Left click.

But yeah, Mist and blink... seriously, WTF is this?

kewl · April 2014

I always carry around a few heads of garlic....vamp repellant.

Zargorius · April 2014

Did he live to fight another day? If the answer is yes, he's just being smart. Heroes are just cemetery fodder and honour is a dead man's code.

Yankee · April 2014

Unless it was a duel, it seems logical to retreat if one failed to get a kill and is about to die. Especially for a stealth/burst class setup. Get clear, recuperate, reassess, maybe try again. Why would you want to rez and ride all the way back?

To some that may be "cowardly" but the goal is to kill while staying alive. One does not help the war effort by being dead for no good objective.

I look at a PVP zone as a war, not some honorable, bow to each other jousting arena.

If the game had a dueling system then that would be a different matter to me.

pez8897nub19_ESO · April 2014

I haven't explored Cyrodiil much -been on a few scouting missions is all. I have been killed once in PVP but I think the one reason I'd run away from a fight is because of the travel. Traveling sucks when you have to start over. That alone is enough to keep me out of Cyrodiil.

Nazon_Katts · April 2014

Yeah, I'm sure they were just bravely running away. Letting yourself being killed, even though you have a chance to escape, is just giving the enemy free points. So in that case, rather a coward than a traitor be!

Samiri · April 2014

Retreating is a perfect valid tactic

Vlas · April 2014

The problem is not everyone gets an easy mode escape plan that ignores all snares/CCs.

It is overpowered in this respect and needs to be seriously adjusted.

Valn · April 2014

Yankee wrote: »

Unless it was a duel, it seems logical to retreat if one failed to get a kill and is about to die. Especially for a stealth/burst class setup. Get clear, recuperate, reassess, maybe try again. Why would you want to rez and ride all the way back?

To some that may be "cowardly" but the goal is to kill while staying alive. One does not help the war effort by being dead for no good objective.

I look at a PVP zone as a war, not some honorable, bow to each other jousting arena.

If the game had a dueling system then that would be a different matter to me.

Anyone who runs from a fair 1v1 fight is a coward! These people have no honour!

Ramanadjinn · April 2014

IMO the other guy won.

Supersomething · April 2014

Valn wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Unless it was a duel, it seems logical to retreat if one failed to get a kill and is about to die. Especially for a stealth/burst class setup. Get clear, recuperate, reassess, maybe try again. Why would you want to rez and ride all the way back?

To some that may be "cowardly" but the goal is to kill while staying alive. One does not help the war effort by being dead for no good objective.

I look at a PVP zone as a war, not some honorable, bow to each other jousting arena.

If the game had a dueling system then that would be a different matter to me.

Anyone who runs from a fair 1v1 fight is a coward! These people have no honour!

Not many people care about "honor" in MMO PvP, myself included, because its a video game. For most its about survival in PvP, and because of that if I have the opportunity to get away from a bad situation I will do everything in my power to do it.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO · April 2014

So you are complaining someone who you were winning against got away? Further more you call them cowards?

Have to disagree with you: thats just being smart and knowing when to bail out.

You complain about melee being under par (altough im sure there are alot of people who will disagree in this regard)? Its your own fault for running a pure melee as a solo roaming build.

You complain about mist form + blink (i'll assume you're refering to the sorcs bolt) allowing them to escape? On this i do agree both skills are broken to some extent and need to be revamped (see what i did there) there are a few counters that might or might not work (ie: pullback abilities, charge abilities, fire rune, horse + rapid manuver, caltrops)

I am curently using bolt escape and would trade the spamming of bolt escape in order to get out of a fight any day for the abiltiy to use it on ocasions to reposition during a fight (atm the magika regen malus it gives makes it ..lets just say, not the best choice to use during a fight unless u're sprinting to safety). I am sure most of the sorcs stand on this with me even if some might bring up the -> once in melee you're toast argument...As for mist form...if they make the vamp targetable while in mist form it wouldnt be such a huge issue.

Jarnhand · April 2014

It is of course always frustrating to be in a winning fight and the enemy gets away!
But as long as they do not exploit or abuse mechanics, its fair, sorry!
Of course, blink/vamp mist is cheesy, and mist spaming is also 'buged'.

Qujz · April 2014

Since your complaining about it sounds like they won the fight.

torplin · April 2014

The other night a friend and I (low VR ranks) got ambushed by a group of 4 higher level VR vampires, they failed in their attempt to kill us, and we barely escaped to the nearby fort. After replenishing our bars, we went back into the field and initiate combat with them before they could re-stealth. 2 of them go after me, 2 after my buddy. I get a procced silver bolt shot on one guy attacking me and he disintegrates instantly, and I then proceed to nuke down the other guy after knocking over twice with the silver bolts. I rush over to my friend who had just killed one of the vamps upon my arrival, the second vamp on my buddy had to hightail it in mist form.

We win 2 vs 4--after they initiated the fight originally and failed to kill either of us. We probably would have died had they not been vamps, honestly I appreciate enemy players who gimp themselves by making themselves so vulnerable to silver bolts for a gimmicky escape ability.

Gisgo · April 2014

You are mistaking nightblades with paladins.
Nightblades are supposed to be... uh... unfair.
Its part of the job, and this kind of thread is a reward for them (us).

MorHawk · April 2014

The ones that always run away from a 1v1 and go crying to their mates to help them out are indeed annoying, and I would love a decent duelling system, but you can understand the logic. It is simulated war, after all. "all's fair" and all that.

What really grinds my gears though is when people won't even *participate* in a fair fight. Running into a building as soon as you snipe them and dithering around until you eventually wear them down. Newsflash buddy, I can heal too.

chris.f.price_ESO · April 2014

I stopped reading when you said you got killed by a Nightblade in 3 seconds. I love getting jumped by Nightblades as a Sorc 1 v 1 2 v 1 the end is the same. lol break CC block cast instant cast abilities win with 95% hp.

Kiash · April 2014

There has never been, and will never be, anything such as a fair fight. Somehow, some way, one person always has some sort of advantage.

Running to fight another day is the smartest move you can make sometimes when you bite off more than you can chew.

This isn't a boxing ring, I don't want to shake hands before we fight, I want to win, and will use any means necessary within reason to make that victory a reality.

NordJitsu · April 2014

God forbid the guy wants to avoid a loading screen and a 5 minute horse ride.

Yankee · April 2014

Valn wrote: »

Anyone who runs from a fair 1v1 fight is a coward! These people have no honour!

Then that I am I guess. In a battleground I have no intent of fighting fair. My intent is to withdraw once I have lost the advantage. And come right back when I have it again.

If 20 years in the military taught me one thing, it is "Let the enemy die for his country".

Nox_Aeterna · April 2014

Yes , it is quite wise to die , totally resonable , fight till you are dead always , even if you could escape and fight again later...

Sorry OP , but i dont see why anyone would fight "fairly" , this is not a duel arena , the NBs are meant to atk from stealth and murder you without you noticing , if you do notice , they run and atk you again later. Till you are dead , and they are fine.

EDT: Noticed the OP is not a NB , wonder why i thought he was lols.

flintstone · April 2014

pez8897nub19_ESO wrote: »

I haven't explored Cyrodiil much -been on a few scouting missions is all. I have been killed once in PVP but I think the one reason I'd run away from a fight is because of the travel. Traveling sucks when you have to start over. That alone is enough to keep me out of Cyrodiil.

Ya, I spent a few hours in Cyrodiil and haven't gone back. I don't like the travel system there at all.....probably won't go back for a while

CapuchinSeven · April 2014

Yeah I had a comical one the other day, someone jumped me, was clearly used to people being stunned locked to death and didn't expect me to break out, become immune and start kicking their head all over the map. They moved behind a tree and literally wouldn't come out, moving around it and around it over and over.

Never laughed so much at someone in PVP before, I just stood back and watched them use "tactics" to evade someone that had stopped attacking them because they couldn't stop giggling.