Probably a bit of overreaction on both sides here.

First, let's try it for more than ONE DAY and get a feel, as a community, whether overall time grinding has generally gone down for folks. It is true that getting the second ring of a set might be A LITTLE TOUGHER to get, and that this system might be impacting the people who do trial runs for gold jewelry to break down. Maybe.

However folks who need two rings ALSO may have experienced or will experience the frustration of never getting that weapon drop or ever SEEING a necklace in the set you want. You just happen to be focusing on the double ring scenario now.

If it becomes obvious that it is much more difficult for people to get double rings, it isn't an unreasonable request to ask for a toggle... if it is easy to implement. No idea if it would be.

But there are other ways to solve this problem. For one, ZOS could change it so that rings drop in pairs. And all one hand weapons.

I suspect in reality that this new system will benefit us way more than burden us, in the grinding department, but it feels way too early to judge this or say the sky is falling. That's not to say things can't be tweaked to be made better. But give it a chance, at least!!

Elsonso wrote: »

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WildLight wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

And here I thought nobody can come up with the reason to complain about a system that should reduce the grind efforts. But forums never cease to amaze. :^)

It's rude to make light of others concern for this issue

It's not an issue. OP deliberately refuses to use reconstruction option available to them which would solve it instantly. As was noted above, curated or not, jewelry drops are not guaranteed anyway. Ask group mates, loot the chests, kill all mobs. None of this is affected by curated drops. People just like to complain about most ridiculous things.

It is an issue, but one that will eventually resolve itself after the sticker book fills up. After that, things return to the way they were before the curated system was introduced. Sure, it might take a little longer, especially for newer players, but eventually, they will get there.

As for using the Star Trek replicator... that is great, if you are making CP 160 gear. The replicator fuel isn't very efficient, so it can take a lot of it to make what you want. If all you want is a throwaway set to use while leveling up, it isn't worth it. I'm actually not even sure if the replicator can make something that isn't CP 160...

You absolutely can, but the lower level character has to be the one doing the reconstruction. I did so myself and then once my character leveled up I deconned to get all the transmutation crystals back for reuse.

A good idea going forward is to never bind jewelry so you can get the 2 rings you need + more grain income.

Thank you @Fennwitty, I completely forgot about the trade timer.

Ippokrates wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

I need 2 sets of jorvuld jewelry, but I already got them in the sticker book.

So thx for the bloody new drop system joevuld Necklace and rings won't even have the freaking chance to drop until I run scp 20+ times getting useless weapons just to complete sticker book.

And wait, I need drakes jewelries too, and guess what? Now I have to run BDV 18, yes, 18 times minimum for jewelries to start dropping

Wait..oh no, I need medusa jewelry and tzogvin jewelry too, fetching fetch.

Don't tell me to reconstruct either, purple plating is 60k per piece.

Can you like, make curated drops a toggle in the settings or something? I don't want garbage weapons, I want purple jewelry.

Before this change you had a 1/45 chance of getting a specific piece, which meant you could run this for a week non stop and not get a second ring to drop. Thats the reason why the printing system was introduced.

The price for purple platings is not an issue at all, given how easy you can get money in the game.

It was not, final boss had 50% chance of dropping a jewelry, 50% a weapon

The sheer amount of weapons i frequently got let me doubt that assumtion.

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

And here I thought nobody can come up with the reason to complain about a system that should reduce the grind efforts. But forums never cease to amaze. :^)

It's rude to make light of others concern for this issue

It's not an issue. OP deliberately refuses to use reconstruction option available to them which would solve it instantly. As was noted above, curated or not, jewelry drops are not guaranteed anyway. Ask group mates, loot the chests, kill all mobs. None of this is affected by curated drops. People just like to complain about most ridiculous things.

1 purple plating is 65k+ on PCNA

3 plating to upgrade blue to purple

2 rings and 1 necklace

65k x 3 × 3 = 585000

585000 gold to get a full set of purple jewelries, assuming the new drop system won't rise the price of platings of course.

And thats a problem why exactly? How many of these sets do you plan to make?

Yup, i can confirm this 50% is most probably some Urban Legend or song of the past. I was grinding a lot, A LOT, and jewelry dropped in around 20% runs.

Also, do some surveys or dolmens to get grains for plating. It is far more efficienct way than running for drops and earning 150 TC for transmutation.

That's all.

Now I am going to play with my magplar and new precise Tzogvin Lightning Staff i got today... XD

Which aligns with the math equation I listed earlier... jewelry is 6 pieces, weapons are 39... so jewelry had a 6 in 45 chance of dropping, not 50% lol which would be 13%

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

This is going to make it hard to collect two of any rings for any new dungeons in future

Yeah but one of the rings will be really easy to get

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Xebov wrote: »

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

I need 2 sets of jorvuld jewelry, but I already got them in the sticker book.

So thx for the bloody new drop system joevuld Necklace and rings won't even have the freaking chance to drop until I run scp 20+ times getting useless weapons just to complete sticker book.

And wait, I need drakes jewelries too, and guess what? Now I have to run BDV 18, yes, 18 times minimum for jewelries to start dropping

Wait..oh no, I need medusa jewelry and tzogvin jewelry too, fetching fetch.

Don't tell me to reconstruct either, purple plating is 60k per piece.

Can you like, make curated drops a toggle in the settings or something? I don't want garbage weapons, I want purple jewelry.

Before this change you had a 1/45 chance of getting a specific piece, which meant you could run this for a week non stop and not get a second ring to drop. Thats the reason why the printing system was introduced.

The price for purple platings is not an issue at all, given how easy you can get money in the game.

It was not, final boss had 50% chance of dropping a jewelry, 50% a weapon

The sheer amount of weapons i frequently got let me doubt that assumtion.

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

And here I thought nobody can come up with the reason to complain about a system that should reduce the grind efforts. But forums never cease to amaze. :^)

It's rude to make light of others concern for this issue

It's not an issue. OP deliberately refuses to use reconstruction option available to them which would solve it instantly. As was noted above, curated or not, jewelry drops are not guaranteed anyway. Ask group mates, loot the chests, kill all mobs. None of this is affected by curated drops. People just like to complain about most ridiculous things.

1 purple plating is 65k+ on PCNA

3 plating to upgrade blue to purple

2 rings and 1 necklace

65k x 3 × 3 = 585000

585000 gold to get a full set of purple jewelries, assuming the new drop system won't rise the price of platings of course.

And thats a problem why exactly? How many of these sets do you plan to make?

Yup, i can confirm this 50% is most probably some Urban Legend or song of the past. I was grinding a lot, A LOT, and jewelry dropped in around 20% runs.

Also, do some surveys or dolmens to get grains for plating. It is far more efficienct way than running for drops and earning 150 TC for transmutation.

That's all.

Now I am going to play with my magplar and new precise Tzogvin Lightning Staff i got today... XD

Which aligns with the math equation I listed earlier... jewelry is 6 pieces, weapons are 39... so jewelry had a 6 in 45 chance of dropping, not 50% lol which would be 13%

If what you said is true, medusa ring and medusa inferno staff should have the exact same drop chance.

And guess what? Legions upon legions of people have no medusa inferno staff, NOT medusa ring, they already have the ring.

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

None of my rings or necklaces are upgraded past blue. I get through HM trials and trifectas just fine

Not everyone is selfish and okay with holding back the entire group

Ok lol

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Weapons were last to be obtained because on final bosses dropped them.

The same is true of Jewelry. Unless there's a special named drop (which also applies to weapons), mini bosses drop hand, waist, or feet. Bosses will drop chest, shoulder, head, or leg. Final bosses drop weapons or jewelry.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dungeon_Sets

Edit:
If I am not looking at this right mathematically please someone correct me

You do 100 runs, let's assume I am right about jewelry or weapon being the first roll, and then which of those you get being the next.

This means out of 100 runs, 50 of them would have jewelry and 50 of them would have weapons.

Now let's say you're farming a specific set

50 runs are jewelry, and you have 1 in 3 odds to get jewelry from a set you need (2/6 pieces of jewelry being needed can be reduced to 1 in 3 odds)

50*(1/3)= 16.66667% odds of getting Jewelry you need.

And let's say you specifically needed a ring. A ring is 1in6 odds. 50*(1/6)=8.33333% odds of getting specifically the ring you wanted.

16.66667% chance of getting Jewelry you wanted would align with most people's perceptions they get jewelry nearly 20% of the time. Since they are probably noticing specifically the jewelry they wanted.

Now for weapons

To get a specific type of weapon (but not from a particular set) would be

50*(1/13) =3.846% chance of getting say a staff.

And it would be 50*(1/39)=1.28% chance of getting the weapon they wanted.

Is this wrong?

Therefore in 16.66667% of your runs you get jewelry from the set you're looking for (or 8.3333% for a specific piece of jewelry) and in 1.28% of your runs you get the weapon you're looking for, which is why most people finish jewelry first.

Edit:
So for fun, I decided to see how many runs I would need to do to give myself a high chance of getting the ring at least once.

The probability you'd get the ring at X chance by killing the boss Y times is 1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y ).
Where X is the odds of getting the item you want, and y is the number of times you killed the final boss. Your odds would never be 100.


The number of runs you'd need to have a 90% chance to get at least 1 is around 27 runs for a piece of jewelry you wanted, and 53 runs for a 99% chance. In the case of the weapon you want wanted in the old system it would be 179. You'd need around 358 runs for a 99% chance. That's assuming of course that nobody shared with you. Big oof. This is why the old drop chance system needed this change. #dropchance.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

With rare exceptions jewelry drop rates should be the same as weapons.

Yes, I believe there is an initial 50/50 roll to determine if you get a weapon or jewelry.

I edited in some math, please double check it. I last took stats in 2005.

hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Which is why no one ever upgrade their gear.....oh wait

Can someone show me a video on YouTube of someone wearing blue gear?

Btw you should go read about Bloodthirsty and infused, stop "40 recovery" me lmao

spartaxoxo wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

This is going to make it hard to collect two of any rings for any new dungeons in future

Yeah but one of the rings will be really easy to get

No it won't, it will in fact be way harder, because the game will just keep giving you what you dont have on sticker book ver and over instead of that second ring

That's the other ring. Your first ring will be easier because it will give you what you don't have in new dungeons. Since it's new, you won't have the the ring yet.

Therefore, in all new dungeons, one ring will be easier.

Can someone show me a video on YouTube of someone wearing blue gear?

Sure! This is Nefas analyzing the trial setup of his Planesbreaker group. Note that the OT is wearing blue jewelry and purple a monster set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBt0N7czHp0&t=186s

You're welcome.