i think tankiness is gone peeps

gariondavey · March 2021

Build diversity is really good ATM in high mmr BGs in NA. Some use procs, some use part proc part stat, some use full stat

Pauwer · March 2021

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Our dear game masters, lords of code, who are at Zos home offices, please let me kill people again on my assasin class character. I think it said something like that on the nb creation screen, that we should be able to might maybe kill someone sometime. Amen.

???

Crit resist is at an all time low, followed by the steep loss of % mitigation. How are you not 2-tapping anything that moves?

The whole jist of this thread is that tanking, or, surviving multiple enemies is harder than it's ever been. You should be having a field day as a nightblade.

Im on console.

Durham · March 2021

Wing wrote: »

honestly i feel like even with procs tanks would still die.

overall mitigation went down, and the overall floor on damage went up.

tanks cannot block a dozen people anymore and even noobs pew pewing with bows do alot of damage now thanks to stats going up.

add to that the penalties on armor weights, i have personally found medium armor works best to tank in now, go figure.

Very True go to IC and you will see the new with procs... You think Cyrodill is crazy high DPS just wait lol....

Durham · March 2021

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Our dear game masters, lords of code, who are at Zos home offices, please let me kill people again on my assasin class character. I think it said something like that on the nb creation screen, that we should be able to might maybe kill someone sometime. Amen.

???

Crit resist is at an all time low, followed by the steep loss of % mitigation. How are you not 2-tapping anything that moves?

The whole jist of this thread is that tanking, or, surviving multiple enemies is harder than it's ever been. You should be having a field day as a nightblade.

What he said!

Durham · March 2021

Folks have to remember this is MMORPG with PVP. People that come out to PVP after killing thousands of mobs in PVE all to see themselves melt in secs with no chance to counter, will simply stop playing. This is unhealthy for PVP in this game. Less people to kill mean less fun. I do not want this to turn into counterstrike. So I hope there is some adjusting.

master_vanargand · March 2021

It's great that players die in PvP.
Other players are not NPC, so you can't easily kill all players in an immortal tank.
That is game balance.

UntouchableHunter · March 2021

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

i dont mind personally too much.

but while the mitigation % of things like block went up, the costs also skyrocketed.

you can block or dodge roll, but are like instantly out of resources.

im seeing good tanks on all sides that i recognize personally getting cut down without much effort. (i mean what took 6-12 before takes like 2-3 now)

not saying what is good or bad or defending troll tanks.

but have noticed a trend to burst again with sorcs (streak) and NB's (cloak) being more prevalent then pre patch, and sorcs were already on the upswing being negligibly effected by the proc test.

and before anyone points out the health regen possible:
-yes i tried it, had over 7k health regen, however damage went up and it almost feels like less then 4k felt before.
-vampire was deservedly nerf'd and thus the main culprit of OP health regen was dusted.

i personally as a tanky player do prefer the fact that people are dying left and right now, watching previous run v X players run in and just die is amusing.

but i am slightly concerned that we might go back to just a burst meta were the main defense is things like streak and cloak and not ACTUAL defense.

its slippery, i guess we will find out together and soon.

i think PVP tanking dead is best thing can happen in this game.
you dont need it really in pvp and its now just abused by troll builds with harbinger, for example

ballanced builds damage/survivability are good but there shouldnt exist tanking in pvp. its just annoying. sometimes it turns out in 1v1 where you cannot kill them for their survivability BUT they cannot kill you because their damage is close to none

then, after 10 minutes of fighting, there is that embarrassing part when you have to go away because you are bored

Thats why we have less players in pvp. No more diversity.

You guys must understand that exist other playstyles this game was good because the diversity the option to have different playstyles, but now no more sets, no more tanks, no more healers this is ridiculous.

And some people are happy because we have only on way to play now and is the way they like.

This is selfishness.

When you guys understand that everybody needs everybody in this game will be late and the game will be dead.

Diversity?

At the beginning of the proc metà there were more builds but lately we had carbon copies of the same troll crap:
Option 1: unkillable tanks (due to high health/regen/healing) dishing out tons on proc damage
Option 2: offensive proc sets - generally using 6 sets max

Result? Frustrating game and minimal diversity

Tell who is the diversity right now?

Where did I mention or praise the current diversity? Please quote.....

My argument has never been about hailing the current diversity....there’s very little of that in fact.

My point is that during the proc metà we had very limited diversity (most people used the same builds and set) AND a proliferation of troll builds.

And my point is that the diversity is absolutely worst right now.

You do realize after they separate the conditions only free damage procs will be turned off and many sets will return, yes?

Ouch I didn't see that coming

UntouchableHunter · March 2021

Thraben wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

I'm not talking about procs.

Before this patch we had to go after the healers to kill them first, but now we almost don't have healers anymore.

Now it is a brain dead fight just burst the tank and the others after that.

Before the patch groupless healing did not work (with exceptions), and groups consisted either exclusively of self-sustaining tanks, or exclusively of off-healers.

Pure healers and pure DDs have been abolished in Cyro group play years before, as "everyone is a healer" is the best way to prevent the "focus the healer' tactic.

I play two guilds in Cyrodill and bouth have healers and tanks. The DD are not glass cannons for a obvious reason but yes we still heavy tanks and healers.

But the guild in IC everyvody run solo builds.

UntouchableHunter · March 2021

Anyron wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Anyron wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

i dont mind personally too much.

but while the mitigation % of things like block went up, the costs also skyrocketed.

you can block or dodge roll, but are like instantly out of resources.

im seeing good tanks on all sides that i recognize personally getting cut down without much effort. (i mean what took 6-12 before takes like 2-3 now)

not saying what is good or bad or defending troll tanks.

but have noticed a trend to burst again with sorcs (streak) and NB's (cloak) being more prevalent then pre patch, and sorcs were already on the upswing being negligibly effected by the proc test.

and before anyone points out the health regen possible:
-yes i tried it, had over 7k health regen, however damage went up and it almost feels like less then 4k felt before.
-vampire was deservedly nerf'd and thus the main culprit of OP health regen was dusted.

i personally as a tanky player do prefer the fact that people are dying left and right now, watching previous run v X players run in and just die is amusing.

but i am slightly concerned that we might go back to just a burst meta were the main defense is things like streak and cloak and not ACTUAL defense.

its slippery, i guess we will find out together and soon.

i think PVP tanking dead is best thing can happen in this game.
you dont need it really in pvp and its now just abused by troll builds with harbinger, for example

ballanced builds damage/survivability are good but there shouldnt exist tanking in pvp. its just annoying. sometimes it turns out in 1v1 where you cannot kill them for their survivability BUT they cannot kill you because their damage is close to none

then, after 10 minutes of fighting, there is that embarrassing part when you have to go away because you are bored

Thats why we have less players in pvp. No more diversity.

You guys must understand that exist other playstyles this game was good because the diversity the option to have different playstyles, but now no more sets, no more tanks, no more healers this is ridiculous.

And some people are happy because we have only on way to play now and is the way they like.

This is selfishness.

When you guys understand that everybody needs everybody in this game will be late and the game will be dead.

Diversity?

At the beginning of the proc metà there were more builds but lately we had carbon copies of the same troll crap:
Option 1: unkillable tanks (due to high health/regen/healing) dishing out tons on proc damage
Option 2: offensive proc sets - generally using 6 sets max

Result? Frustrating game and minimal diversity

Tell who is the diversity right now?

Where did I mention or praise the current diversity? Please quote.....

My argument has never been about hailing the current diversity....there’s very little of that in fact.

My point is that during the proc metà we had very limited diversity (most people used the same builds and set) AND a proliferation of troll builds.

And my point is that the diversity is absolutely worst right now.

there is diversity
and then there is just trolling . in pvp you dont need tanks. you need to do some damage and also take some damage. you cant really "taunt" players with abilities so why bother with tanks? so you can equip some cheesy troll set, like harbinger and just go trolling other players?

I'm talking about coordenateds guild groups. The tank Don taunt the enemy but hold most part of the damage in front of the group. We do this in BGs also with small group.

Sometimes a run with friends and we heavy a tank a healer the solo build and the glass cannon a magsorc or a sniper to finish the target that we are focusing.

But as I told before in this patch the tank is taking so many damage that I can't call tank anymore.

Pauwer · March 2021

Pauwer wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Our dear game masters, lords of code, who are at Zos home offices, please let me kill people again on my assasin class character. I think it said something like that on the nb creation screen, that we should be able to might maybe kill someone sometime. Amen.

???

Crit resist is at an all time low, followed by the steep loss of % mitigation. How are you not 2-tapping anything that moves?

The whole jist of this thread is that tanking, or, surviving multiple enemies is harder than it's ever been. You should be having a field day as a nightblade.

Im on console.

Thank you lords of code, thank you. Cyro was finally fun again. Those incaps

Tankiness really is gone and so it should. It was FUN.

MurderMostFoul · March 2021

gariondavey wrote: »

Build diversity is really good ATM in high mmr BGs in NA. Some use procs, some use part proc part stat, some use full stat

This is definitely true (from my limited console experience anyway). Come to BGs, things are wild right now!

Waffennacht · March 2021

Everyone is flying around in BGs.

I feel like im like the only tank around

Wing · March 2021

Waffennacht wrote: »

Everyone is flying around in BGs.

I feel like im like the only tank around

i mean thats kind of how it goes.

once classic tankiness starts to go the snowball just compounds on itself.

if im going to die anyway why not just go full damage?

streak, shadow image, and cloak become the main damage mitigation skills.

speed bonuses will likely mitigate more damage then the pathetic tank stats and work as an offensive bonus as well.

that scale requires only a tiny nudge, and boy it got something a bit more then tiny.

techyeshic · March 2021

Remember when they nerfed swift shortly after it came out because the game couldn't really keep up with it?

Lol And here we are, wild hunt and cp 2.0 later. Guess it's needed as gap closers cannot be trusted to not desync you.

Also makes life a little better when you're stuck in combat. If only the out of combat speed would kick in when you REALLY aren't in combat

Grimlok_S · March 2021

techyeshic wrote: »

Remember when they nerfed swift shortly after it came out because the game couldn't really keep up with it?

Lol And here we are, wild hunt and cp 2.0 later. Guess it's needed as gap closers cannot be trusted to not desync you.

Also makes life a little better when you're stuck in combat. If only the out of combat speed would kick in when you REALLY aren't in combat

3x swift and full duration speed pots. That was a wild patch.

katorga · March 2021

Pauwer wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Our dear game masters, lords of code, who are at Zos home offices, please let me kill people again on my assasin class character. I think it said something like that on the nb creation screen, that we should be able to might maybe kill someone sometime. Amen.

???

Crit resist is at an all time low, followed by the steep loss of % mitigation. How are you not 2-tapping anything that moves?

The whole jist of this thread is that tanking, or, surviving multiple enemies is harder than it's ever been. You should be having a field day as a nightblade.

Im on console.

Thank you lords of code, thank you. Cyro was finally fun again. Those incaps Tankiness really is gone and so it should. It was FUN.

You ***know*** where this goes. The Forum will collectively howl that TTK is too low, and demand NB and Sorc nerfs.

Davadin · March 2021

Wing wrote: »

but i am slightly concerned that we might go back to just a burst meta were the main defense is things like streak and cloak and not ACTUAL defense.

/cries_in_dragonknight

Wing · March 2021

Davadin wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

but i am slightly concerned that we might go back to just a burst meta were the main defense is things like streak and cloak and not ACTUAL defense.

/cries_in_dragonknight

oh im right there with you, i have gone complete and absolute glass cannon, if im going to die im going to take a few with me.

its actually worked out rather well, out 1v1'd a couple of sorcs even, i dont care for the playstyle but its all i got atm.

orion_1981usub17_ESO · March 2021

My magdk in spinners and impreg absolutely melted people and had decent staying power. Yes, its not sorc level easy mode, but easily best class for flag fights where they really shine.

PhoenixGrey · March 2021

katorga wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Pauwer wrote: »

Our dear game masters, lords of code, who are at Zos home offices, please let me kill people again on my assasin class character. I think it said something like that on the nb creation screen, that we should be able to might maybe kill someone sometime. Amen.

???

Crit resist is at an all time low, followed by the steep loss of % mitigation. How are you not 2-tapping anything that moves?

The whole jist of this thread is that tanking, or, surviving multiple enemies is harder than it's ever been. You should be having a field day as a nightblade.

Im on console.

Thank you lords of code, thank you. Cyro was finally fun again. Those incaps Tankiness really is gone and so it should. It was FUN.

You ***know*** where this goes. The Forum will collectively howl that TTK is too low, and demand NB and Sorc nerfs.

Sorc and nb are also the easiest classes to kill.