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Is ESO Now Worth Coming Back

Lord_Eomer
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I have not been playing ESO from past 1.5 Years, how is PVP (3 VS 3 VS 3) and Cyrodiil, is it worth comming back?
  • LightYagami
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    You may try and experience the performance by yourself, but please consider before subscribing for now. Wait until server performance and bugs are improved. I cancelled ESO plus auto renewal and will renew only if there's noticeable improvement.

    The current performance in PvP is unacceptable. Skills not firing or delaying, unable to break free, desync and got killed by 5 hits in the blink of an eye, crash and disconnection, etc.
    No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.
  • Frozen_Heart246
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    If you like PvP when 90% of peoples running proc sets, 35k+ health and damage buff ring which do all all work for them then ur welcome.
  • Daemons_Bane
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    As always it depends on what you like in the game :smile: I am quite happy and content myself
  • UntilValhalla13
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    The game is barely functioning in any content right now. Go in with low expectations, if you do decide to try it.
  • Recapitated
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    Here is how the game is performing: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/553251/how-playable-is-game-for-you/p1

    ZOS has yet to comment about these crashes 2 weeks into the patch.

    For PVP it depends what you like I guess. To simplify server calculations most of the RNG has been taken out of proc sets which means you can use them reliably in a burst combo or just stack 3 of them + Malacath. Since procs don't scale with stats or crit you don't lose anything by investing in health and sustain instead and you can slap 2-5 DOTs on a player from 28 meters away as long as you have LOS on them for 1 GCD. 25k health is as squishy as people go in pvp with 40k being closer to the norm.

    Personally this has driven me from BGs completely because procs are especially oppressive in no-CP. It doesn't help that you can no longer queue for the mode you want. I can't say how common it is for people to crash in BGs but if that link above is any indication it's practically guaranteed that one or two of the 12 players will not be able to play the whole game.

    ZOS just finished 8 weeks of testing in Cyrodiil where they added various combinations of ramping costs, cooldowns on individual AOE skills, a global cooldown on AOEs, and limiting ally effects to group members. Cyro performance deteriorated enough because of lag and position desyncs that they wanted to see if any of that was helping and make decisions from there.

    Their conclusion was that it made a difference on paper, but not enough to really make a dent in performance issues for the perspective of the end user. However they limited group sizes to 12 and ally-targeted effects to group members, meaning if you find a friendly at a keep fight and you're fighting two grouped players you can't cross heal each other but they can. ZOS says they did this because they liked the "behavioural changes" that resulted when that test was applied but they didn't elaborate on what those changes were and why they were good. If you were a solo healer in Cyro prior to leaving you can't do that anymore.
    Edited by Recapitated on 18 November 2020 12:02
  • Ruder
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    Short answer: NO

    Long answer: NOOO
  • Cirantille
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    Someone tell him

    I don't have the heart to express the feelings I get when I get to Cyrodiil...
  • caperb
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    If you like PvP, save yourself the trouble.
  • Gythral
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    Short answer - read the general forums titles...
    Long Answer - read the forum or just look at the number of Z's & how few contain info...
    “Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
    Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
    Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy
  • zvavi
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    Cirantille wrote: »
    Someone tell him

    I don't have the heart to express the feelings I get when I get to Cyrodiil...

    There is no more ally healing but in group.

    Is that what you wanted to say?
    Edited by zvavi on 18 November 2020 12:09
  • Daemons_Bane
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    The game is barely functioning in any content right now. Go in with low expectations, if you do decide to try it.

    I would have to strongly disagree here.. not sure what you are experiencing, but I can do anything in the game with very few interruptions
  • badmojo
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    I took some time off and came back a few months ago.

    I enjoy PVP and housing.

    I resubbed and played daily since coming back, endured two months of horrible cyrodiil tests, but I waited for them to end so I could get back to enjoying cyrodiil. A week later they announced removal of ally healing and cut group size in half. I unsubbed and played my butt off in cyrodiil enjoying my last days of solo healing, then stopped playing about a week ago.

    I now remember why I took the time off after playing for 4 years straight. The game I enjoy was finished in 2014, every change to gameplay since then has made eso worse, the additional stuff might be good(outfit system, provisioning overhaul,stickerbook, housing), and the content they added is also of good quality, but the mechanics of ESO in my opinion have only gotten worse since beta.

    From my perapective, it feels like the game was created by some quality developers, [snip] I have no basis for this, its just yhe impression of a customer who preordered and played daily for years and years.

    There is so much that is good about ESO. But I can not justify playing it, there is no assurance that my time will not be wasted when they decide my behavior is not desired. There is only so many times I can cross my fingers and hope things turn around.

    Is it worth coming back? It was fun decorating my psijic villa. But the rest was just depressing.

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Lunar on 18 November 2020 13:15
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  • relentless_turnip
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    For me at least since they implemented the group changes in cyrodill it has been the best performance I have experienced since February before u25. The only time I experience lag is when ball groups are online.

    The meta is another thing entirely...
    Proc sets with no proc chance or conditions that all received a buff and all fire in the same gcd. This can be further enhanced by malacath. So you can put all your attributes into health, wear heavy, use lord mundus and protective jewelry. It is a stupid meta that rewards next to know interaction with your skills. It is especially oppressive on wardens who just spam arctic and survive severely outnumbered with crimson.

    The developers did make positive changes to tankiness and I believe healing is now in a decent place(no cp). They is undone by the buff to proc sets.

    With controls to stop all procs going off in one GCD, procs scaling with stats and not working with malacath the game would be in a good place. I do believe proc sets need to be controlled on all 3 fronts to encourage people to only wear 1 or 2 sets. This would create greater build diversity and proc sets would only augment a build rather than do all your damage for you.
  • Raideen
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    As someone who has done mostly PVP for the entirety of my online gaming life (close to 20 years), I have to say that I would not play ESO for the PVP.

    If you enjoy store, lore and an incredibly beautiful world and you can deal with some bugs, then I would give it a go. But if your aim is to focus solely on PVP, I dunna...I might do a LOT of homework first, homework that reaches far beyond what these forums can tell you before you make the commitment to come back.
  • Daemons_Bane
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    What raideen is saying is pretty spot on.. PvP is in a bad spot atm, but the rest of the game is still enjoyable :smile: you can your exploration, dungeons, delves and trials
    Edited by Daemons_Bane on 18 November 2020 13:13
  • Thormar
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    https://youtu.be/OVGdvWih16A

    Like you || El Lobo ||, predominantly a Cyro Pvper, left ESO five months ago vowing never to return.
    He posted the above video about 17hrs ago.

    His verdict:
    "I wasn't expecting anything spectacular, ... I've spent 3 to 4hrs today through primetime, it wasn't perfect...
    but overall the performance today was unbelievably good.
    Ongoing issues not withstanding I am actually hopeful again....
    I was very surprised with how good the performance was throughout the day.
    I'm giving it a week of continued play before I pass judgement, but today was pretty phenomenal.
    "

    And of course, you're welcome to your own take on the above.
  • Rehdaun
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    Not right now it's not. What a couple weeks, months, decades to see if it gets better.
    Edited by Rehdaun on 18 November 2020 13:32
  • badmojo
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    Ah yes, censored for giving my opinion of this games development process. Classic zos, cant take criticism. Oh no did i bash again?
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  • Chaos2088
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    The performace like always is just below what it should be. They are working on it, but we have been hearing that for years. Also they changed the grp sizes and cannot heal outside of your grp/ randoms anymore......Not a good move in my opinon.
    @Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP
  • LightYagami
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    The game is barely functioning in any content right now. Go in with low expectations, if you do decide to try it.

    I would have to strongly disagree here.. not sure what you are experiencing, but I can do anything in the game with very few interruptions

    Come to Cyrodiil. Many of us are experiencing bugs. My game just crashed again 2 minutes ago.
    No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.
  • LightYagami
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    The game is barely functioning in any content right now. Go in with low expectations, if you do decide to try it.

    I would have to strongly disagree here.. not sure what you are experiencing, but I can do anything in the game with very few interruptions

    Come to Cyrodiil. Many of us are experiencing bugs. My game just crashed again 2 minutes ago.
    Edit:
    I don't know how the guy can do anything under this performance, not sure if he played PvP and trying to be the top 2% on leaderboard...

    My game crashed at least 5 or 6 times recently when capturing keeps. Can't get the capturing scores because I was kicked from the game.

    Bugged out a few times in Battleground: cannot swap bar, cannot right click, lost sound effects, etc.

    PCNA, clean game without any add-on.
    No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.
  • Sephyr
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    Nope. Flat out nope.

    badmojo wrote: »
    Ah yes, censored for giving my opinion of this games development process. Classic zos, cant take criticism. Oh no did i bash again?

    It's funny too. Things aren't even moderated consistently. @ZOS_GinaBruno mind talking to them into doing this? Or do I have to report the mods through support again?
    Edited by Sephyr on 18 November 2020 14:38
  • mullins07
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    The software quality of updates is poor and rash changes are being made to game mechanics without any consultation with the player base, which indicates a lack of investment behind the scenes.

    You may be able to scrape a bit of fun out of it while it lasts but the game is reaching end of life and it's hard to say whether it is worth returning at this point.
  • Odovacar
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    The state of Cyrodiil is still not the best but then again it wasn't 1.5 years ago either...welcome back!
  • ZarkingFrued
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    You literally can't activate skills 50% of the time. Its at an all time low. BGs work sometimes.
  • ZarkingFrued
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    Chaos2088 wrote: »
    The performace like always is just below what it should be. They are working on it, but we have been hearing that for years. Also they changed the grp sizes and cannot heal outside of your grp/ randoms anymore......Not a good move in my opinon.

    The only good move for eso pvp in years lmfao. Imagine thinking you should be able to just spam heals and keep 50 players alive that you don't even know. Imagine thinking that 24 man groups do anything that requires skill in game.
  • ZarkingFrued
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    badmojo wrote: »
    I took some time off and came back a few months ago.

    I enjoy PVP and housing.

    I resubbed and played daily since coming back, endured two months of horrible cyrodiil tests, but I waited for them to end so I could get back to enjoying cyrodiil. A week later they announced removal of ally healing and cut group size in half. I unsubbed and played my butt off in cyrodiil enjoying my last days of solo healing, then stopped playing about a week ago.

    I now remember why I took the time off after playing for 4 years straight. The game I enjoy was finished in 2014, every change to gameplay since then has made eso worse, the additional stuff might be good(outfit system, provisioning overhaul,stickerbook, housing), and the content they added is also of good quality, but the mechanics of ESO in my opinion have only gotten worse since beta.

    From my perapective, it feels like the game was created by some quality developers, [snip] I have no basis for this, its just yhe impression of a customer who preordered and played daily for years and years.

    There is so much that is good about ESO. But I can not justify playing it, there is no assurance that my time will not be wasted when they decide my behavior is not desired. There is only so many times I can cross my fingers and hope things turn around.

    Is it worth coming back? It was fun decorating my psijic villa. But the rest was just depressing.

    [edited for bashing]

    "Solo healing"



    Wow
  • LightYagami
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    The game is barely functioning in any content right now. Go in with low expectations, if you do decide to try it.

    I would have to strongly disagree here.. not sure what you are experiencing, but I can do anything in the game with very few interruptions

    Come to Cyrodiil. Many of us are experiencing bugs. My game just crashed again 2 minutes ago.

    Crashed again 1 minute ago. Nice.
    No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.
  • kathandira
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    Lord_Eomer wrote: »
    I have not been playing ESO from past 1.5 Years, how is PVP (3 VS 3 VS 3) and Cyrodiil, is it worth comming back?

    If you are looking for new and exciting features to the game play, then you will not find it here.

    If you are looking for more of the same, but with buffs and nerfs that change itemization and skill sets, then you are in the right place.

    Otherwise, not much has changed. Still the same game it has been for years.
    PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc
  • etchedpixels
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    I'd come back in 2 or 3 months. Right now the game is probably in the worst state it has been for a while. Markarth broke far too much and whilst some of the bad fails have been fixed there are still a load of crash to desktop and other problems that are not going to get fixed until December, and presumably in some cases January
    Too many toons not enough time
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