Imperial Edition - Ability to craft Imperial Style Gear

Bunk · April 2014

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Rantog · April 2014

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Hopefully nobody got it Solely for Any single feature.

But whether the gear is ugly or not - whether I can Convert or not - whether I play an Imperial or not - - all irrelevant to the fact that it is a Listed feature included with a product I paid for, but have not received.

To avoid the obvious rebuttals of "just make it and Convert" etc...
My crafting char has over 2 weeks of researched traits - and wanting to make Set items that require these traits for Guildmates.

To avoid the obvious rebuttals that opt to Ignore the fact that they promise this feature but do not provide it..

My crafter has 2 weeks of researched traits - required for crafting the Set items I want to make For Guildmates, In Imperial Style.

^ that covers all of them I think..
I want what I paid for, all of what i paid for. Not just the more popular features.

starkerealm · April 2014

Rantog wrote: »

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Hopefully nobody got it Solely for Any single feature.

Well, the ability to roll an Imperial comes to mind.

Alpha_Protocol · April 2014

Same issue for me.I have imp edition but can't craft imp either.

Saerydoth wrote: »

You don't craft imperial gear. You equip the gear, right click it, and "convert to imperial style".

No. The game I bought said I'd be able to craft it and convert it.

"Gain unique crafting styles, gear and more."

It says "crafting".

Rantog · April 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

Rantog wrote: »

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Hopefully nobody got it Solely for Any single feature.

Well, the ability to roll an Imperial comes to mind.

I could see a few getting it Just for that...
And it might be the only thing worth the extra $30.

This is the list of Features for paying for Imperial Edition. From the purchase page.. In order.. each is in a separate box.

Play as an Imperial
Imperial White Horse
Craft Imperial Gear

"  Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

Transform Into Imperial Gear

"Transform any gear you own into Imperial styled gear."

Rings of Mara
Mudcrab Vanity Pet

6 features, for $30 additional.
So the way I see it, they're shorting every Imperial Edition purchase $5 worth of bonuses.

starkerealm · April 2014

Rantog wrote: »
starkerealm wrote: »

Rantog wrote: »

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Hopefully nobody got it Solely for Any single feature.

Well, the ability to roll an Imperial comes to mind.

I could see a few getting it Just for that...
And it might be the only thing worth the extra $30.

This is the list of Features for paying for Imperial Edition. From the purchase page.. In order.. each is in a separate box.

Play as an Imperial
Imperial White Horse
Craft Imperial Gear
"  Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."
Transform Into Imperial Gear
"Transform any gear you own into Imperial styled gear."
Rings of Mara
Mudcrab Vanity Pet

6 features, for $30 additional.
So the way I see it, they're shorting every Imperial Edition purchase $5 worth of bonuses.

It was $20, actually, and while I was being a bit of a smart ass, that was the feature that got me to actually go for the digital Imperial Edition. That said, the Horse is gravy.

I wouldn't have coughed up $40 for the physical edition, just for the Imperial, though.

Rantog · April 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

It was $20, actually, and while I was being a bit of a smart ass, that was the feature that got me to actually go for the digital Imperial Edition. That said, the Horse is gravy.

I wouldn't have coughed up $40 for the physical edition, just for the Imperial, though.

Dangit, dividing $20 by 6 features is harder math.. and I'm sleep deprived.
I'll leave it out there tho... $3, $5.. no matter how much it is, it is a feature Listed on the product that we have Not been given.

Motifs - are not part of the Imperial edition, they are for everyone.
As Imperial and Conversion are both completely separate features.

I didn't buy it because of this one feature, but they Did promise it, and I have not been given it.
They did not tell me I would be required to play as an Imperial to do this - any more than they said we would be required to play as Breton to buy the imperial horse, or as a Bosmer to use the rings of mara.

There was no restriction indicated .. or even hinted at.. on the product listing. I expect them to provide all the features they agreed to when I clicked Purchase.

Meanwhile... definitely.. need.. some sleep...

Dreez · April 2014

I bought the imperial edition and i can't craft imperial gear. So yeah, either needs a fix or false advertising. And some gear i loot, i can't even convert to imperial look..

Bohannan · April 2014

I also bought the Imperial Edition and cannot CRAFT Imperial style armor. I can convert it once it is equipped. The problem here being once you convert, the item becomes bound. This completely removes the ability for me to CRAFT imperial armor for someone else or sell Imperial style armor.

I'm not sure why I cannot craft non bound Imperial armor, I guess we'll just have to wait for them to figure it out

Scott · April 2014

The game design, as it stands, makes it much more difficult to craft armor that you can sell/give to people who didn't buy the Imperial Edition of the game. It adds to the 'elite' sheen of the Imperial style. The workaround if a player wants to do that (sell/give Imperial Armor to others) is to find and use the Motif.

There were numerous other channels to get information about what buying the Imperial Edition would mean. I personally first learned of the Imperial gear perk through seeing YouTube videos about it. And yes, the 'elite' aspect of the Imperial style did somewhat impact my decision to pay extra for the Imperial Edition.

Are people going to now clamor to force the game operators to reduce the exceptional quality of Imperial-style armor by making it trivial for any character to trade and sell it widely and freely without having to go to the effort of finding the Motif? In my estimation, that diminished the value, to a degree, of my purchase of the Imperial Edition.

Dreez · April 2014

Well. I'm OK with not being able to craft imperial armor. But im NOT ok with not being able to convert some pieces that i loot. If i paid to be able to convert armors, i want to be able to convert ALL armors that i loot or make. This is not the case now.

SirJesto · April 2014

@Rantog It took you 2 weeks of leveling a crafter before you realized you couldn't craft Imperial gear?
Also to your points about Bosmers only getting the horse and Dunmers only getting the pets and all that... It wasn't called The Bosmer & Dunmer Edition now was it.

SirJesto · April 2014

Dreez wrote: »

Well. I'm OK with not being able to craft imperial armor. But im NOT ok with not being able to convert some pieces that i loot. If i paid to be able to convert armors, i want to be able to convert ALL armors that i loot or make. This is not the case now.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there are some quest drops with unique skins that cannot be converted.

darthbelanb14_ESO · April 2014

It may not state that it's only for Imperials, but it also doesn't state that any race can do it, so either way it's up for interpretation, and the win goes to Zenimax.

I love it when a gaming community suddenly become lawyers.

christian.griffinb16_ESO · April 2014

Jake71887 wrote: »

Saerydoth wrote: »

On my Nord, if I right click a piece of my gear, I have a "convert to imperial style" option. It's a transmog-type thing.

And that has nothing to do with what this thread is about, Mr "Can't read".

I beg your goddamned pardon? That's EXACTLY it, numbnuts. You craft gear in any other style and can then convert it to Imperial style. That sounds almost exactly like what you were promised with the Imperial Edition.

Dreez · April 2014

Well. I am enjoying the game, and this really doesn't ruin it for me.
So i really don't care when it comes down to it simply because having or not having imperial look when i kill things isn't gonna speed up the killing.

CapuchinSeven · April 2014

The *** people moan about in MMOs will never stop amazing me. I'm surprised we've not had a "lawyer" in this thread to tell us he's suing.

Rytfield · April 2014

I have to agree it's somewhat misleading, the information is incomplete. They way it's phrased now, it's actually better left out entirely as it is perfectly assumable that as an Imperial you can craft imperial gear since that's your race. Anyway it's not really an issue for me. One day I'll stumble upon the motif, no biggie. I just hope ZOS learns from it since it prevents well.. this.

kirrasha · April 2014

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

It may not state that it's only for Imperials, but it also doesn't state that any race can do it, so either way it's up for interpretation, and the win goes to Zenimax.

I love it when a gaming community suddenly become lawyers.

Yet it is only advertised on the Imperial edition, and not on the Standard edition...
How does that fit into the interpretation?

And think a bit about the line:
"Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

True, it dont state that its only for Imperials... But it still states that I have the abillity to craft Imperial Style armor.

So if I pick an Nord race... I should still have the abillity to craft Imperial Style gear.
If I pick an High elf race, I should still have the abillity to craft Imperial style gear.
and so on..

Because thats what that specific line is telling me. I have the abillity, if I bought the imperial edition.

Infernia · April 2014

Simple fix: Give those that purchased the Imperial edition without prior knowledge they had to create an Imperial character to craft in the Imperial Style... an Imperial Motif to apply to their character(s).
And sorry for the overuse of the word Imperial.

Malediktus · April 2014

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

Opinions, opinions. I think Imperial armor is one of the best looking. Especially at veteran levels.

Saerydoth · April 2014

It doesn't need to be fixed. x_x There's nothing wrong with it. You have to have the Imperial Edition to create an Imperial. If you create an Imperial, you can craft Imperial gear without a motif. Thus, the Imperial Edition gives you the ability to craft Imperial gear without any extra items. It doesn't say ANYWHERE in the ad that you can craft it on any race. You don't even have to level the character, it can just be a crafting alt sitting in a city.

Plus you get the ability to convert any item you equip to the Imperial style. I swear people are being deliberately obtuse. They give you a bonus, and then you complain that it doesn't work exactly the way you want it to. Personally, I don't care about the Imperial gear. I got the Imperial Edition for all the nifty bonuses that came with it (the book, the Molag Bal statue, etc).

kamohs212eb17_ESO · April 2014

I wonder why TS dont say "Hey, i paid additional $20, so why da faq mine imperial horse stats are like 17k cr@phorsie! GIMME 50% speed 50% stamine 50 capacity horse neaoy!!!"

You can convert any crafted armor in Imperial.
If you wanna get Imperial crafting style play as Imperial (hey, you can play as Imperial!) or find Imperial motiff somewhere.

I have Imperial edition too.

Saerydoth · April 2014

kamohs212eb17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder why TS dont say "Hey, i paid additional $20, so why da faq mine imperial horse stats are like 17k cr@phorsie! GIMME 50% speed 50% stamine 50 capacity horse neaoy!!!"

You can convert any crafted armor in Imperial.
If you wanna get Imperial crafting style play as Imperial (hey, you can play as Imperial!) or find Imperial motiff somewhere.

I have Imperial edition too.

Exactly. The ad says you can craft Imperial style gear. You CAN. You can create an Imperial and craft their gear without a motif. It does not say you can do it on any race.

SirJesto · April 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

kamohs212eb17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder why TS dont say "Hey, i paid additional $20, so why da faq mine imperial horse stats are like 17k cr@phorsie! GIMME 50% speed 50% stamine 50 capacity horse neaoy!!!"

You can convert any crafted armor in Imperial.
If you wanna get Imperial crafting style play as Imperial (hey, you can play as Imperial!) or find Imperial motiff somewhere.

I have Imperial edition too.

Exactly. The ad says you can craft Imperial style gear. You CAN. You can create an Imperial and craft their gear without a motif. It does not say you can do it on any race.

Right on. I'm not sure why anyone would think their Bosmer could craft Imperial gear with the Imperial Edition.

Anyways, can a Mod put this thread out of it's misery? It's like beating a dead (Imperial) horse.

kirrasha · April 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

kamohs212eb17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder why TS dont say "Hey, i paid additional $20, so why da faq mine imperial horse stats are like 17k cr@phorsie! GIMME 50% speed 50% stamine 50 capacity horse neaoy!!!"

You can convert any crafted armor in Imperial.
If you wanna get Imperial crafting style play as Imperial (hey, you can play as Imperial!) or find Imperial motiff somewhere.

I have Imperial edition too.

Exactly. The ad says you can craft Imperial style gear. You CAN. You can create an Imperial and craft their gear without a motif. It does not say you can do it on any race.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_imperial

"Craft Imperial Gear
Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

Where in that line, does it say I have to be Imperial race in order to have the abillity to craft Imperial style armor?

And if they mean finding the Imperial Motif, why is it only advertised on the Imperial edition, and not on the Standard edition aswell?

Nomatter what, its still misleading advertisement, and it should just be removed completely, or they should have put a link in to the explanation of what it means.
And this is for ZOS's own good.

UrQuan · April 2014

Rantog wrote: »

Imagine this..
Imperial edition purchases..

Only get the Pets if you create/play as a Dunmer.
Only get the Horse if you create/play as a Nord.
Only get the Rings of Marra if you create/play as Breton.

Do you think people wouldn't be complaining?

But when I point out an Identically framed feature to these - people quickly claim it only applies if I create/play as Imperial.

Well, the people "claiming" that it only applies if you create & play as an Imperial are 100% correct. Don't confuse that with people saying that you should be satisfied with that, though. Sure some people are saying that, but others are just describing the way it was implemented without drawing any conclusion as to whether that's fair.

It would have been nice if the Imperial Edition mails had come with a Racial Motifs: Imperial (probably bound so that you can't sell it to another player) so that you could give any 1 of your characters the ability to craft Imperial style items without having to have an Imperial character. Of course, it doesn't personally affect me, as my main character is an Imperial, and he's the one that does virtually all of my crafting anyway.

Saerydoth · April 2014

This thread reminds me of why products have to have warnings that say "Warning: Product will be hot after heating" and "Warning: Hot liquids are hot". You give a brief overview of some features, people complain that it doesn't work EXACTLY like they thought it would. What do you want, a novel written on the back of the box explaining every little detail?

You can do what the ad says you can do. It's not misleading at all. The ad does not say you can craft it on any race. It says you can craft Imperial gear, which the Imperial edition gives you the ability to do, by way of the Imperial race.

UrQuan · April 2014

Bunk wrote: »

Who cares? Imperial gear is ugly anyway. If you bought the Imperial Edition solely for Imperial gear then you deserve to have wasted that money.

starkerealm · April 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

This thread reminds me of why products have to have warnings that say "Warning: Product will be hot after heating" and "Warning: Hot liquids are hot". You give a brief overview of some features, people complain that it doesn't work EXACTLY like they thought it would. What do you want, a novel written on the back of the box explaining every little detail?

You can do what the ad says you can do. It's not misleading at all. The ad does not say you can craft it on any race. It says you can craft Imperial gear, which the Imperial edition gives you the ability to do, by way of the Imperial race.

Except, it is a little weird that they're advertising a standard feature. I mean, if crafting didn't normally let you craft your own racial style at creation... or something, then saying, "oh, hey, and your imperials can craft their own armor style" would make sense.

But, you can, so why draw attention to, "oh, by the way, your imperials gain the exact same crafting ability as literally every other character." It's weird.