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Imperial Edition - Ability to craft Imperial Style Gear

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  • kirrasha
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    I'm with the OP on this one. Didnt really notice it until now however.

    The advertisement is very clear and thus Imperial Edition owners should be able to craft imperial gear, nomatter what race they picked.

    Every standard edition player in the game, can become able to craft imperial gear, by finding the motif, so it wouldent make sense to advertise that players can craft Imperial armor with Imperial edition only.

    Either ZOS have screwed up the wording to the extreme on this, or players are indeed lacking the abillity to craft imperial armor on any race, with imperial edition, as it is advertised.

    And if they really meant something different and we really shouldent have the abillity to craft imperial armor without the motif, then they STILL owe all imperial edition owners the abillity to craft that armor, since the advertisement before any changes, is binding.
    Common sales law, atleast in Denmark.
    Edited by kirrasha on 20 April 2014 04:47
  • Drakonklenok
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    Jake71887 wrote: »
    Saerydoth wrote: »
    You don't craft imperial gear. You equip the gear, right click it, and "convert to imperial style".

    Why don't you craft Imperial Gear?

    Because in Nirn, imperial gear crafts you!
  • Cydone
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    kirrasha wrote: »
    I'm with the OP on this one. Didnt really notice it until now however.

    The advertisement is very clear and thus Imperial Edition owners should be able to craft imperial gear, nomatter what race they picked.

    Every standard edition player in the game, can become able to craft imperial gear, by finding the motif, so it wouldent make sense to advertise that players can craft Imperial armor with Imperial edition only.

    Either ZOS have screwed up the wording to the extreme on this, or players are indeed lacking the abillity to craft imperial armor on any race, with imperial edition, as it is advertised.

    And if they really meant something different and we really shouldent have the abillity to craft imperial armor without the motif, then they STILL owe all imperial edition owners the abillity to craft that armor, since the advertisement before any changes, is binding.
    Common sales law, atleast in Denmark    .

    I believe it is the same in the states, but I could be wrong.
  • Desdemonte
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    I think it's a misrepresentation of advertising. The problem is two-fold: I would like to be able to use the nickel find, and maybe I would like to trade something away after converting it. Not a big deal to me, but it is still wrongfully stated.
  • Jake71887
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    kirrasha wrote: »
    And if they really meant something different and we really shouldent have the abillity to craft imperial armor without the motif, then they STILL owe all imperial edition owners the abillity to craft that armor, since the advertisement before any changes, is binding.
    Common sales law, atleast in Denmark.

    It wouldn't hold up, considering you CAN craft Imperial gear, as long as you're an Imperial... It's deceptive as hell, but legal.

  • Paralyse
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    Cydone wrote: »
    I believe it is the same in the states, but I could be wrong.

    There is danger here as well; if the uniqueness of the ability to craft Imperial armor, i.e. its restriction to being crafted by Imperials only, were to be reverted by allowing OP and others to craft it on non-Imperial toons, would that not then result in other players who might want their money back since one of the perks of their financial purchase is now less valuable?

    JMHO but the Imperial gear is not that great looking anyway, and I'm not sure being able to craft it for non-Imperial-Edition owners would be a profitable endeavor at any rate.

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  • Rhoric
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    It doesn`t say craft imperial style with any race.
  • kirrasha
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    Jake71887 wrote: »
    kirrasha wrote: »
    And if they really meant something different and we really shouldent have the abillity to craft imperial armor without the motif, then they STILL owe all imperial edition owners the abillity to craft that armor, since the advertisement before any changes, is binding.
    Common sales law, atleast in Denmark.

    It wouldn't hold up, considering you CAN craft Imperial gear, as long as you're an Imperial... It's deceptive as hell, but legal.

    True, but thats exactly it. It is deceptive as all hell, wich is what would trigger the laws. Advertisements must be very clear here, and that advertisement do not state anywhere that it require players to create an imperial character for the abillity.

    Sure, they could mean that "Hey, you can create imperial characters, so you also get the abillity to craft imperial armor with that race".
    But again, that HAVE to be in the advertisement in some way, or it comes out very misleading. Big no no in DK.
  • Saerydoth
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    On my Nord, if I right click a piece of my gear, I have a "convert to imperial style" option. It's a transmog-type thing.
  • Cydone
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    paralysecub18_ESO wrote: »
    Cydone wrote: »
    I believe it is the same in the states, but I could be wrong.

    There is danger here as well; if the uniqueness of the ability to craft Imperial armor, i.e. its restriction to being crafted by Imperials only, were to be reverted by allowing OP and others to craft it on non-Imperial toons, would that not then result in other players who might want their money back since one of the perks of their financial purchase is now less valuable?

    JMHO but the Imperial gear is not that great looking anyway, and I'm not sure being able to craft it for non-Imperial-Edition owners would be a profitable endeavor at any rate.

    How would this result in the item being less valuable?? I'm not seeing the logic in your statement. I have 8 character slots, if I wanted to spend the next 2-3 weeks leveling an imperial in just the crafting, I could then craft the highest level gear, for imperials. But, it's not restricted to Imperials, if someone gets a Motif for it. That person would be able to craft it on their, lets say, argonian character. Wouldn't that, as well, lessen the value of it?? Like I said, they are using deceptive wording in what the IE specifically allows you to do or not do. It seems many others have thought the same as me, that the ability would be granted to any of the characters that I created.
    Edited by Cydone on 20 April 2014 05:01
  • redwoodtreesprite
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    Jake71887 wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who bought the Imperial Edition to play an Imperial... They either got it for the other items(Horse especially), or they got the physical edition.

    Me and my hubby did. :) Also for the horse of course. I suspected that it would be only Imperials that started with the ability to craft imperial style. And was actually pleased and surprised when all the races I made can convert. Still, they could have made it clear. Just like how they did not make it clear about some things being one per character and others one per account.

  • Jake71887
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    kirrasha wrote: »
    True, but thats exactly it. It is deceptive as all hell, wich is what would trigger the laws. Advertisements must be very clear here, and that advertisement do not state anywhere that it require players to create an imperial character for the abillity.

    Sure, they could mean that "Hey, you can create imperial characters, so you also get the abillity to craft imperial armor with that race".
    But again, that HAVE to be in the advertisement in some way, or it comes out very misleading. Big no no in DK.

    Lucky, here they would say "That sucks, too bad"

    Saerydoth wrote: »
    On my Nord, if I right click a piece of my gear, I have a "convert to imperial style" option. It's a transmog-type thing.

    And that has nothing to do with what this thread is about, Mr "Can't read".

  • Vordar
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    Sorry wrong thread
    Edited by Vordar on 20 April 2014 05:18
  • starkerealm
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    This is weird. I could have sworn they specified that crafting the Imperial Style (without the motif book) was exclusive to Imperial characters. Not simply having the Imperial Edition.
  • kirrasha
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    starkerealm wrote: »
    This is weird. I could have sworn they specified that crafting the Imperial Style (without the motif book) was exclusive to Imperial characters. Not simply having the Imperial Edition.

    They might have specified this at some point... Cant remember when, but do recall them talking about it.
    But then why did they even bother making that specific advertisement, since its kinda a given that the Imperial race can craft Imperial armor, just as the Nord race can craft Nord armor.

    Also if you look at the store page, the 1st box from left to right, specificly states:
    https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_imperial?_ga=1.239448331.967762029.1395956186

    "Play as an Imperial
    Become an Imperial and play in any Alliance. Gain unique bonuses, crafting styles, gear and more."

    But 2 boxes further to the right, it says:

    "Craft Imperial Gear
    Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

    So if it was only meant to be for the imperial race, why advertise it in a box for itself, when they already advertise it in the first box?
    And having the White imperial horse mount between theese 2 boxes, completely seperates them from eachother, in a advertisement way.

    It wouldent surprise me if ZOS simply screwed up theese advertisements. But its been up for this long, turning around now saying "we meant this instead", is too late.
  • Cydone
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    kirrasha wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    This is weird. I could have sworn they specified that crafting the Imperial Style (without the motif book) was exclusive to Imperial characters. Not simply having the Imperial Edition.

    They might have specified this at some point... Cant remember when, but do recall them talking about it.
    But then why did they even bother making that specific advertisement, since its kinda a given that the Imperial race can craft Imperial armor, just as the Nord race can craft Nord armor.

    Also if you look at the store page, the 1st box from left to right, specificly states:
    https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_imperial?_ga=1.239448331.967762029.1395956186

    "Play as an Imperial
    Become an Imperial and play in any Alliance. Gain unique bonuses, crafting styles, gear and more."

    But 2 boxes further to the right, it says:

    "Craft Imperial Gear
    Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

    So if it was only meant to be for the imperial race, why advertise it in a box for itself, when they already advertise it in the first box?
    And having the White imperial horse mount between theese 2 boxes, completely seperates them from eachother, in a advertisement way.

    It wouldent surprise me if ZOS simply screwed up theese advertisements. But its been up for this long, turning around now saying "we meant this instead", is too late.

  • starkerealm
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    kirrasha wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    This is weird. I could have sworn they specified that crafting the Imperial Style (without the motif book) was exclusive to Imperial characters. Not simply having the Imperial Edition.

    They might have specified this at some point... Cant remember when, but do recall them talking about it.
    But then why did they even bother making that specific advertisement, since its kinda a given that the Imperial race can craft Imperial armor, just as the Nord race can craft Nord armor.

    Also if you look at the store page, the 1st box from left to right, specificly states:
    https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_imperial?_ga=1.239448331.967762029.1395956186

    "Play as an Imperial
    Become an Imperial and play in any Alliance. Gain unique bonuses, crafting styles, gear and more."

    But 2 boxes further to the right, it says:

    "Craft Imperial Gear
    Ability to craft Imperial style when crafting gear."

    So if it was only meant to be for the imperial race, why advertise it in a box for itself, when they already advertise it in the first box?
    And having the White imperial horse mount between theese 2 boxes, completely seperates them from eachother, in a advertisement way.

    It wouldent surprise me if ZOS simply screwed up theese advertisements. But its been up for this long, turning around now saying "we meant this instead", is too late.

    Yeah, I'm seeing that, and I don't even know. The weird thing is, I don't remember the "craft imperial style gear" being on the ads for the Imperial Edition when I picked it up. That could just be selective memory, though.
  • Hestia
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    Ur-Quan wrote: »
    Are you playing as an Imperial? My Imperial character is the only one out of my 8 that can craft Imperial (although each of them can convert gear to Imperial style).

    The thing is, the product does say that you have the ability to craft Imperial gear. It did not specifically say that is only applied on Imperials only. That is misleading advertisement if that really was the case and is not a bug. Companies can get into trouble for that. :)

    Also, there are gears that you cannot convert Imperial because they are quest/loot/boss rewards or unique items.
    Edited by Hestia on 20 April 2014 06:32
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  • Cydone
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    Wish I could get a CSR to comment on this!
  • Malediktus
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    I agree. I am missing the ability also. Transmuting works, but it also makes the item not tradeable.
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  • Jirki88
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    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5717/
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  • Malediktus
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    Jirki88 wrote: »
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5717/
    Great, still doesnt change the fact the advertisment is very missleading.
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  • Cydone
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    Jirki88 wrote: »
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5717/

    Thanks for the link, but it still doesn't change the fact that the way they are currently advertising it in the present and in the past is deceptive. Most won't know to go to this link prior to purchasing the game. As I've said a handful of times here, deceptive wording.
  • Jirki88
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    Cydone wrote: »
    Jirki88 wrote: »
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5717/

    Thanks for the link, but it still doesn't change the fact that the way they are currently advertising it in the present and in the past is deceptive. Most won't know to go to this link prior to purchasing the game. As I've said a handful of times here, deceptive wording.

    I agree on that. I just provided the link to show somewhere they clearly state that it isn't really crafting but converting, since some posts above seemed a bit unclear in relation.
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  • kirrasha
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    Jirki88 wrote: »
    https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5717/

    Thanks for link, but this wont work as an excuse.
    The misleading/false advertisement is on the product page where it matters.
    This link should then have been on that page, to inform people what exactly it means.

    Heck, even the "Transform any gear you own into imperial" on the store page, is very misleading and false, since you really cant transform any gear you own.

    I am very curious to see ZOS's reply on this matter.
    Edited by kirrasha on 20 April 2014 12:56
  • Rantog
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    I never even realized until reading this thread ---
    My characters cannot craft Imperial style items
    But they CAN right-click convert items.

    Guess I'll have to do another support submission... at least this one won't mean 7.5 hours on hold and eventually 20+ hours to get a response.
  • Rantog
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    Saerydoth wrote: »
    You don't craft imperial gear. You equip the gear, right click it, and "convert to imperial style".

    Not what it says on the details for Imperial Edition.

    imped.jpg


    ^ Taken directly from the page we purchased from.
    It clearly has 2 Separate entries, one for the ability to convert items, and one stating we can use Imperial style when crafting.
    (and imperial race is Another separate box)
    Edited by Rantog on 20 April 2014 13:05
  • Rantog
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    They gave the obvious response.. each race can innately craft in their style.. blah blah.

    But that is Not relevant to the listed features.. which make no distinction by race.

    https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/store/product/eso_imperial?
    ^ the web page listing what we get for purchasing the Imperial Edition over the Standard edition.

    We pay $20 More to have these features, and one of them is the ability to craft in Imperial style..
    It does not say IF we elect to play AS Imperials.
    It does say we can convert items - but Separate from this feature.
    It does say we can play As Imperials - but Separate from this feature.
    It doesn't say we can craft in Imperial style - IF we find a motif, which is an option on Standard accounts.

    This is a feature we have not been given, but was listed as part of the purchase.

    Edited by Rantog on 20 April 2014 13:59
  • SirJesto
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    redwoodtreesprite wrote: »
    Jake71887 wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who bought the Imperial Edition to play an Imperial... They either got it for the other items(Horse especially), or they got the physical edition.

    Me and my hubby did. :) Also for the horse of course. I suspected that it would be only Imperials that started with the ability to craft imperial style. And was actually pleased and surprised when all the races I made can convert. Still, they could have made it clear. Just like how they did not make it clear about some things being one per character and others one per account.

    Exactly the same for me. I bought it to play an Imperial and never assumed that other races would be able to craft as an Imperial. I was also surprised to find other races could convert. Honestly I never thought that I wasn't understanding what the advertising was saying at all.
  • Rantog
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    Imagine this..
    Imperial edition purchases..

    Only get the Pets if you create/play as a Dunmer.
    Only get the Horse if you create/play as a Nord.
    Only get the Rings of Marra if you create/play as Breton.

    Do you think people wouldn't be complaining?

    But when I point out an Identically framed feature to these - people quickly claim it only applies if I create/play as Imperial.

    Or bring up Motifs -which I point out Would Not Be Listed On The Purchase Page For Imperial Edition - since they're available on Standard as well.
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