MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Suggestions are good but I find them sort of funny. TLDR: you need to slot 12 abilities to do well and you only have space for 10.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Suggestions are good but I find them sort of funny. TLDR: you need to slot 12 abilities to do well and you only have space for 10.
Well, I fit Concealed on my back bar & Inner Light on my front bar no matter what. I make do without Degen, Ele Drain, and Lotus (the last being one that I don't think he's even going to want once he tries to go toe-to-toe a few times.)
My go-to bar setup is this:
Front: Elemental Weapon, Swallow Soul, Merciless, Mass Hysteria, Inner Light, Soul Harvest
Back: Shadowy Disguise, Concealed Weapon, Siphoning Attacks, RAT, Healing Ward/Rapid Regen, Reviving Barrier
My playstyle is super quick, and I don't like having to keep a lot of buffs/DOTs up. I use Essence of Detection pots for Major Sorcery, and to be honest I never feel the need for tri-pots.
But yes, with how spread out our abilities are compared to other classes, the bar setup is less than optimal.Edited by Langeston on 14 March 2020 22:220 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭@WacArnold, Looking at that build again, I do think you may run into sustain issues. Your regen is about the same as mine, but your skills are much more expensive. You also have much less magicka. Just something you may want to think about.Edited by Langeston on 14 March 2020 22:280 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@WacArnold, Looking at that build again, I do think you may run into sustain issues. Your regen is about the same as mine, but your skills are much more expensive. You also have much less magicka. Just something you may want to think about.
The build link does not have major intellect active, so there is that at least.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭exeeter702 wrote: »@WacArnold, Looking at that build again, I do think you may run into sustain issues. Your regen is about the same as mine, but your skills are much more expensive. You also have much less magicka. Just something you may want to think about.
The build link does not have major intellect active, so there is that at least.
Yes, but I don't think that'll be enough to make a difference. Cloak is costing him 3,573 and RAT is 2,820 — those cost me 3,004 & 2,381 respectively. Maybe he's a lot more efficient than me though; my playstyle is pretty wasteful.
If he's used to tanky though, Swift/NMA/Potentate back bar might be worth looking into. The less you rely on cloak/RAT, the lower your regen can go. Domi/Grothdarr monster for more mag/stam, 1 spell cost reduction glyph, and that would be a pretty tanky build. Especially on the back bar with a defensive staff & Temporal Guard. With Shadow Barrier up, his resists would ~25k, and the extra 23% from Potentates/Swift/Temporal equates to another 15k resists. With Merciless he's looking at 70% damage reduction, lol. Maybe he can facetank after all.Edited by Langeston on 14 March 2020 22:560 -
WacArnold✭✭✭Yeah I forgot my major intellect which brings it up to 2500 but im wasteful as well. I think you guys are right about using a gap closer thats going to get me into trouble. If i drop that use degeneration and concealed on back bar I could open some potion options and gain more speed, plus with speed i could move in quick on opponents for ulti and fear. I use to run flame reach with no gap closer because its nice to get a stun to help reset the fight mh is so close range its hard to get that sometimes and I had trouble vs sorcs in the past not being able to reliably hit a stun.
Just not sure how to go about this class anymore. playing speed and movement is the best I can see unless im missing something if I try and bulk up my damage is crap.Xbox One - North American - Ebonheart PactAnti-Pop Lv 50 Magicka Nightblade Dark ElfWacArnold Lv 50 Magicka Templar Argonian0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah I forgot my major intellect which brings it up to 2500 but im wasteful as well. I think you guys are right about using a gap closer thats going to get me into trouble. If i drop that use degeneration and concealed on back bar I could open some potion options and gain more speed, plus with speed i could move in quick on opponents for ulti and fear. I use to run flame reach with no gap closer because its nice to get a stun to help reset the fight mh is so close range its hard to get that sometimes and I had trouble vs sorcs in the past not being able to reliably hit a stun.
Just not sure how to go about this class anymore. playing speed and movement is the best I can see unless im missing something if I try and bulk up my damage is crap.
Do you have the PTS?
And are you opposed to dropping Troll King & going Vampirism?Edited by Langeston on 14 March 2020 23:340 -
WacArnold✭✭✭Yeah I forgot my major intellect which brings it up to 2500 but im wasteful as well. I think you guys are right about using a gap closer thats going to get me into trouble. If i drop that use degeneration and concealed on back bar I could open some potion options and gain more speed, plus with speed i could move in quick on opponents for ulti and fear. I use to run flame reach with no gap closer because its nice to get a stun to help reset the fight mh is so close range its hard to get that sometimes and I had trouble vs sorcs in the past not being able to reliably hit a stun.
Just not sure how to go about this class anymore. playing speed and movement is the best I can see unless im missing something if I try and bulk up my damage is crap.
Do you have the PTS?
And are you opposed to dropping Troll King & going Vampirism?
No im on xbox. Not opposed to it.
Xbox One - North American - Ebonheart PactAnti-Pop Lv 50 Magicka Nightblade Dark ElfWacArnold Lv 50 Magicka Templar Argonian0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah I forgot my major intellect which brings it up to 2500 but im wasteful as well. I think you guys are right about using a gap closer thats going to get me into trouble. If i drop that use degeneration and concealed on back bar I could open some potion options and gain more speed, plus with speed i could move in quick on opponents for ulti and fear. I use to run flame reach with no gap closer because its nice to get a stun to help reset the fight mh is so close range its hard to get that sometimes and I had trouble vs sorcs in the past not being able to reliably hit a stun.
Just not sure how to go about this class anymore. playing speed and movement is the best I can see unless im missing something if I try and bulk up my damage is crap.
Do you have the PTS?
And are you opposed to dropping Troll King & going Vampirism?
No im on xbox. Not opposed to it.
Personally I think health regen is almost a waste on a cloakblade considering how easy it is to pop Healing ward/Rapid Regen & cloak for a few seconds to top off your health. With Siphoning Attacks & Swallow Soul up, I don't know that you'll find yourself needing TK — I feel like another damage set or Chudan would be better, and the Mage instead of Steed. (Especially if you run Inner Light on your front bar.) With 1 triune or infused neck with a spell cost reduction glyph, 2 triune rings with 1 regen glyph & 1 weapon damage glyph, and the 10% regen buff from vampirism, you'll have a much easier time with sustain. Concealed on your back bar for speed. With RAT, that will put you at 155% movement speed in cloak/sneak, and as a stage 4 vamp you can often sneak instead of cloaking to conserve magicka.
I just hopped on the PTS and did just that (with Slimecraw as the monster set) and the end result was very comparable to my Breton, but with 16.5k stamina, which is great — Dunmer is a fantastic race for magblades. (The Swallow Soul tooltip was 10,919 btw, with the only buff being Major Sorcery.) Mighty Chudan might be a better choice, you lose a bit of damage but gain a lot of resists and some extra health so you can stay in the fight longer. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
What monster sets do you have access to?Edited by Langeston on 14 March 2020 23:551 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah I forgot my major intellect which brings it up to 2500 but im wasteful as well. I think you guys are right about using a gap closer thats going to get me into trouble. If i drop that use degeneration and concealed on back bar I could open some potion options and gain more speed, plus with speed i could move in quick on opponents for ulti and fear. I use to run flame reach with no gap closer because its nice to get a stun to help reset the fight mh is so close range its hard to get that sometimes and I had trouble vs sorcs in the past not being able to reliably hit a stun.
Just not sure how to go about this class anymore. playing speed and movement is the best I can see unless im missing something if I try and bulk up my damage is crap.
What I been doing is I been using cloak and shade for my primary defensive abilities and then I use rapid regen (which I’ve seen crit for 4K) and combat prayer for a sort of burst heal. I actually find building for speed other than major expedition to be useless on magblade because the class has access to a on demand teleport ability. If you start building more speed in your build you either lose too much sustain or too much damage and you still don’t become any more mobile because you could’ve just ported to your shade instead of trying to outrun players.
What I been doing is running BTB/Necro/Balorgh with a front bar set up of merciless, ele drain, fear, swallow soul, shadowy disguise, soul harvest. With a back bar set up of rapid regen, RAT, siphoning attacks, shade, combat prayer, undo. What makes Balorgh pretty good is that it pairs well with all the debuffs attaches to soul harvest giving you amazing burst after a soul harvest lands. Also with no additional speed built into my build I’m still impossible to pin down. I think the best way to go about building a magblade is to build high damage and good sustain and ignore defense entirely.
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WacArnold✭✭✭@Langeston
Im missing some of the newer sets, but have all the original monster sets. Thats a good point, its very costly to add that health recovery, plus as you said it may not be as beneficial.
@thankyourat
I have thought about that as well just going all in on damage, my worries are that im going to run across players that are able to tank enough damage to draw out a fight long enough for me to make a mistake, get caught, and just nuke me. That playstyle is very risky. Do you find yourself killing at least 75% of the players fairly quickly? For me a long fight would be my downfall because I would eventually make a mistake. Combat prayer is not a bad idea, the blessing morph I put in and had about a 7k tool tip if I messed with the build a bit more I could definitely pull more on that.Xbox One - North American - Ebonheart PactAnti-Pop Lv 50 Magicka Nightblade Dark ElfWacArnold Lv 50 Magicka Templar Argonian0 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Langeston
Im missing some of the newer sets, but have all the original monster sets. Thats a good point, its very costly to add that health recovery, plus as you said it may not be as beneficial.
@thankyourat
I have thought about that as well just going all in on damage, my worries are that im going to run across players that are able to tank enough damage to draw out a fight long enough for me to make a mistake, get caught, and just nuke me. That playstyle is very risky. Do you find yourself killing at least 75% of the players fairly quickly? For me a long fight would be my downfall because I would eventually make a mistake. Combat prayer is not a bad idea, the blessing morph I put in and had about a 7k tool tip if I messed with the build a bit more I could definitely pull more on that.
I do find I kill most players fairly quickly. There are still plenty of tanky players that I can’t kill though if they play 100% defensive. That’s just ESO right now. While defensive sets do allow you to make more mistakes they also drastically reduce your killing potential. Meaning that most fights you will lose before the fight starts simply because there is no way for you to kill your opponent. Magblade only has one way to kill players which is the spectral bow needs to take a large portion of your opponents health. If it doesn’t you won’t have the damage to finish your opponent.
I like combat prayer for the minor berserk as well. It usually will crit for about 7k which can help in the burst heal department. If you do a lot of 1v1s I would replace combat prayer with dampen. I find shields to be terrible on magblade open world now though.0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm at the point I'm good with my build and I can see myself using it for awhile.
But Magblade relies heavily on light attacks for sustain and it's just heavily unreliable at the moment.1 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭A lot of the times skills seem to not be firing of for me. Which is bad for everyone, but especially for my magblade build which isn't built to take a lot of hits. The number of times i've died this patch because my shade/cloak wont go off, and the number of times i lost a kill because the bow didnt go off immediately is getting really frustrating.
I wish performance gets better soon. weaving feels so clunky right now.0 -
WacArnold✭✭✭Xbox One - North American - Ebonheart PactAnti-Pop Lv 50 Magicka Nightblade Dark ElfWacArnold Lv 50 Magicka Templar Argonian0
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Twice born star is almost never viable. I've tried to make it work, but I always just got better results with one mundus & a specialized set. (In this situation, BTB would probably be better once you change a couple of the enchants.)
The only situation it would be useful would be in order to get a combination of munduses that you can't get with other sets — for instance: the Shadow & the Steed. But even then you'd probably be better off with Swift jewelry & a better set. On top of that, you kinda need to go full divines for it to be worth it.
I tried Spinner's & Twice Born with the Lover & Shadow because that's the only way to get 110%+ crit damage and that level of penetration (about 16k in no CP) but even on a NB the crit % isn't high enough to make it worth it.
One [extremely niche] situation where it might work would be if you went all divines with Impregnable, but I can't see it being that great, tbh.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Anyone tried Incap as a magblade?Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh, and if you don't already have Bright Throat's, now is a great time to pick it up. The price of impen plummeted because of the murkmire event (it's still about 1/3 the price it used to go for) and IMO it's one of the best sets for no-CP — especially on a magblade.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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I think I did when I first rolled a magblade, but it doesn't really make sense. It won't be affected by your spell penetration & the Defile is just too good to pass up IMO. What makes you want to try it?Anyone tried Incap as a magblade?
[edit] Just saw incap got it's stun back, so I assume that's what brought this about. Even with the stun though, I think the Defile is probably more important — especially as a magblade. I might try it out though, my main used to be a stamblade so it's fully leveled.Edited by Langeston on 17 March 2020 03:560 -
Neloth✭✭✭✭Cloak feels even less reliable this patch, bleh.
Not really sure what to run these days. I miss the melee magblade playstyle. Most things I try seem too squishy to manage these days. Has anyone tried heavy magblade? Something like shackle/btb/zaan in heavy maybe with a 2h?
edit: nma would be nice in place of shackle there, but I feel like sustain would be an issue...
I hardly sustain in light with BTB (compared to sorc or magcro)...don't want to think what will happen to my sustain in heavy ;(
I think I did when I first rolled a magblade, but it doesn't really make sense. It won't be affected by your spell penetration & the Defile is just too good to pass up IMO. What makes you want to try it?Anyone tried Incap as a magblade?
[edit] Just saw incap got it's stun back, so I assume that's what brought this about. Even with the stun though, I think the Defile is probably more important — especially as a magblade. I might try it out though, my main used to be a stamblade so it's fully leveled.
Incap stun on magblade surprises many people, and it also seems buggy to break free rn. They expect to dodge after soul harvest, but get ass willed -> executed instead. Defile is pretty much useless in BGs, if you have at least 1 stamcro in your team (which are common [snip]). In addition, for BGs incap has acceptable dmg, lacking only penetration (which is not that high for my build).
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on 25 May 2025 17:040 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No reason not to use Caluurions right now lol...procs from light attacks as of U25.
So light attack weave into Incap and enjoy!0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »No reason not to use Caluurions right now lol...procs from light attacks as of U25.
So light attack weave into Incap and enjoy!
What do you mean about U25 and procs from light attacks, I missed that change.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »No reason not to use Caluurions right now lol...procs from light attacks as of U25.
So light attack weave into Incap and enjoy!
Hold up, what?0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Incap seems buggy, I’m not sure what’s up with it. I had a BG against Langeston and he used incap against me, the graphic was me lying on the floor but I could still move around. Maybe that’s how it acts when you already have cc immunity? I’m not sure.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
fbours✭✭✭Incap seems buggy, I’m not sure what’s up with it. I had a BG against Langeston and he used incap against me, the graphic was me lying on the floor but I could still move around. Maybe that’s how it acts when you already have cc immunity? I’m not sure.
Yeah, new bug, this was happening to me all day yesterday. It felt the stun was registering late and removing the stun did not function properly, all while being on the floor moving0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »No reason not to use Caluurions right now lol...procs from light attacks as of U25.
So light attack weave into Incap and enjoy!
Hold up, what?
Yeah it's bugged on Xbox at least. Caluurions is proccing from light and heavy critical attacks.
https://youtu.be/7s_69G3013I
I used:
Cloak -> Weaved light attack (CRIT PROC CALUURIONS) into Soul Harvest -> Swallow SoulEdited by brandonv516 on 17 March 2020 22:140 -
You want to say that incap shows its true face. It is sad. I shouldn't have hoped for the best.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »No reason not to use Caluurions right now lol...procs from light attacks as of U25.
So light attack weave into Incap and enjoy!
Hold up, what?
Yeah it's bugged on Xbox at least. Caluurions is proccing from light and heavy critical attacks.https://youtu.be/7s_69G3013I
I used:
Cloak -> Weaved light attack (CRIT PROC CALUURIONS) into Soul Harvest -> Swallow Soul
Coming out of Cloak with a medium attack into soul harvest is my new favourite thing.EU | PC | AD0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So I realized I had a weapon damage instead of spell damage glyph on one my of jewellery pieces... duh. Anyways, if people like healing as a magblade (are there any left?) this has been performing well for me.
Basicly heal and put the fear traps down, if you see an opportunity jump someone with the cal proc. I'd say I average 200-500k damage and 400-950k healing per BG, it all depends. Typically 2-8 kills per BG and 1-4 deaths. Wish I could fit RAT for major expedition somewhere, any ideas?
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=207332Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Do you need cloak on both bars? Personally I'd take it off the front bar & replace it with Manifestation of Terror, then put RAT on the back bar. The only problem I'd have then would be that I'd want Concealed Weapon on the back bar as well. How much would it mess you up to have Healthy Offering on your front bar?So I realized I had a weapon damage instead of spell damage glyph on one my of jewellery pieces... duh. Anyways, if people like healing as a magblade (are there any left?) this has been performing well for me.
Basicly heal and put the fear traps down, if you see an opportunity jump someone with the cal proc. I'd say I average 200-500k damage and 400-950k healing per BG, it all depends. Typically 2-8 kills per BG and 1-4 deaths. Wish I could fit RAT for major expedition somewhere, any ideas?
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=2073320