ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

The problem is Gina, this sort of awnser to us the community sounds like ZoS saying "oh if it terns out solo queueing is amazing for server performance then we do give a fig and we will ignore everyones outcry". IF you are even considering to make several queue's I would suggest you stop leaving your player's in the dark, the longer you do the more worry and bad blood you cause, I am sure some people have even gone as far as to considered leaving the ESO over this.

All I am saying is the only thing's we have heard from you and the team is about queueing from a logistical standpoint opinion be damned, consider your player base and maybe have abit more transparency instead of keeping such thing's so closed off and tight lipped. By potentially giving us the community an insight into what plan's for Battleground's you may be considering it's not as if your giving spoiler's to a new dlc and are under some sort of non-disclosure agreement. TLDR a little insight go's a long way.

Guys, a lot of you are missing the point.

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

It is an Online game, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that.
And not only with Cyro campaign, because are 2 different type of pvp.

Now.
Often I play with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, almost never of 3 or 4, so I understand the "frustation" of be wiped from full premade.

BUT all games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.


From another discussion:

Schokolade wrote: »

"One person's freedom ends where another's begins"; nobody is stopping you from play with or against your friend/husband now, but after this upgrade I cannot choose to play with.

I know the "problem" with only 2 queues, but at least I can choose - still better solution then: remove all premade in an Online game.
note: their job is to find a nice solution, but here we are with our ideas and their approximative method.

For the trial part it was my fault, I meant no premade* group for trials, only random. I'am also all in for a nice Storymode, but even here I think they should give the possibility to do it solo or with friends.

For all the: "Don't allow premade group" I've already said all with my previous comment.

A lot of people will still die and be bad in future, because the problem isn't often the premade (:

Should we remove premade group for Trials too?

This is no the way.
You can do better, for all of us, not only for premade or only for solo players.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I'm interested to see how it plays out this patch. I fully expect grouping to return next quarter. In the meantime it's going to be a very telling experience. I wonder how many players are going to realize that most of their BG woes are not due to premades at all.

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Cyrodiil is open and waiting for your grouping of loved ones and friends. Problem solved?

SORjosh wrote: »

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Cyrodiil is open and waiting for your grouping of loved ones and friends. Problem solved?

Yeah this is such a sweet idea, now we can ruin all people who have a small group of friends, and couples from playing the game!!!

Your choice now is to play alone, or get zerged by 50+ people!!! Yesssss I love it, we should also remove the premades from from CYRO!!!

SORjosh wrote: »

Cyrodiil is open and waiting for your grouping of loved ones and friends. Problem solved?

Cyrodil is open for two players as much as it is for a soloer. How is that problem solved? BGs are not at all like Cyrodil, or solo players never would have complained since they would have just gone to Cyrodil.

I'm usually playing with my best friend. He's new to the game but he's really into pvp so we're just having fun together. Now ZOS ruined it because of a few who got unlucky a few times and lost bgs.

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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

it is great that you monitor feedback but then you just ignore it. So why? Look at all the things on pts that were universally agreed upon that you ignored.

You put in the change of blastbones and broke the magika morph that everyone told you about and you ignore it.
I bet the weather still sucks in the new homes that everyone told you had to go.
I bet there is still no door on the longhouse in the orc house that everyone told you you need to add.

ignore ignore ignore.

SORjosh wrote: »

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Cyrodiil is open and waiting for your grouping of loved ones and friends. Problem solved?

not everyone enjoys Cyrodiil, some of us prefer the actual structured game modes and small scale conflict that only battlegrounds supply. Cyrodiil is large scale and open ended, Imperial city is just embarasing for PvP with little to do and no structure and only worth playing for the Tel Var. Where as Battleground's supply a organised gameplay style and a steady pase of PvP encounter's, however now you have sechlueded and straded thousands of player's that played in groups of 2 and 3 who will just quit PvP altogether because of this.

MotokoHutt wrote: »

SORjosh wrote: »

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Cyrodiil is open and waiting for your grouping of loved ones and friends. Problem solved?

not everyone enjoys Cyrodiil, some of us prefer the actual structured game modes and small scale conflict that only battlegrounds supply. Cyrodiil is large scale and open ended, Imperial city is just embarasing for PvP with little to do and no structure and only worth playing for the Tel Var. Where as Battleground's supply a organised gameplay style and a steady pase of PvP encounter's, however now you have sechlueded and straded thousands of player's that played in groups of 2 and 3 who will just quit PvP altogether because of this.

Hate to say it, but I'm one of those people, got my bro to play the game because of the PvP, then I read this on the patch notes. Now he wants nothing to do with the game. It's a sad direction. I mean maybe all game companies are trying to see who can go down hill the fastest.

Every MMO I have ever played that had a "BG", the number one complaint are premades. I'm all for separate queues as that makes the most sense. However, I have a feeling based on prior experience though is that the Group queue will become deserted after a while.

I'm not singling anyone out but I know when I have grouped for PvP in other games the wins are cheap and easy and you accumulate the PvP currency must faster. Once it's premade v premade that tends to weed out a ton of people that were just there for the easy victories. What you have left are a handful of groups that truly enjoy the competition but population dwindles.

I personally love this change, I certainly don't mind grouping up for PvP, but each game is not a face roll or an 95% loss probability if you are on the random team v. a premade

Kawiki wrote: »

Every MMO I have ever played that had a "BG", the number one complaint are premades. I'm all for separate queues as that makes the most sense. However, I have a feeling based on prior experience though is that the Group queue will become deserted after a while.

games that offer proper incentives to their organized, instanced group queues are popular.

not to mention, most MMOs still allow groups into their versions of BGs. They often prohibit full teams, but they allow, e.g. duos into a 4 player game, or 5 into a 10, etc.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

Will you also be monitoring general engagement in BGs? As in, are there less players active in BG than before the change.

I'm among those that used to play BGs almost exclusively to play together with a friend. Since we're adventuring together, we actually have less things to do now than before.

It's more or less down to Dungeons. Cyrodiil doesn't appeal to either of us, because it takes too much time to get anything started and BGs were perfect for (the many days) when our playtime was rather short.