Battlegrounds Solo queuing only

Deathlord92

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself. No stupid Synergy teams anymore that win by pressing X.

Completely agree with this pre mades killed bgs for me especially if they had a heal bot to 😒

mav1234

Kadoin wrote: »

I'm not joking when I say 8 ranked players literally played in voice comms and found ways to "farm" first time players in BGs and never fought each other. I think this is not even my first time posting about it...

this has nothing to do with BGs allowing group queues and everything to do with a *** up MMR system...

TheFM

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

You might want to fix the constant crashing then, because as is you cant make an accurate assessment of ANYTHING because everyone is crashing every 5 - 30 minutes. Seems like something was changed after pts without actually testing it.

Mr_Walker

mav1234 wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I'm not joking when I say 8 ranked players literally played in voice comms and found ways to "farm" first time players in BGs and never fought each other. I think this is not even my first time posting about it...

this has nothing to do with BGs allowing group queues and everything to do with a *** up MMR system...

Can be both

StShoot

Artemiisia wrote: »

I see it like this, you guys (read premades) had your fun, demolishing new players, now its time for a more fair fight, if you wanna be premade, you have 2 out of 3 versions of pvp still, where you can be premade.

Fair fight ?xD they reseted the MMR so High end players will still demolish new players. And as far as i know the MMR is still not account but char bound (correct me if im wrong, but i didnt read anywhere that zos changed it )

Also the op didnt asked to bring back the group q, he asked to have both. And yeah i can understand him on one hand i hated to be ***** by premades, on the other hand i realy enjoyed playing with 1 or 2 friends

NaomiHutt wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself.

But that makes no sense, it's a team based game, it's you and 3 other team members.

Not like it's 12 players and everyone is solo and has to kill off the other 11 players.

I'm not saying get rid of solo queuing I'm asking for 2 individual queue's

Mark my words, zos will remove teams from bgs and introduce eso battleroyaaaaaaaal, beeeeecause every game these days needs this fEaTuRe (insert puke emote here)

themaddaedra

I have been doing battlegrounds all day today and had a hell outta good time. Had a match in max 3 mins, several times even legit instantly, and liked not being forced to match against premades.

Now there are several reasons of course, like many players being in bgs now after the patch and MMR being actually reset. So matchmaking was super fast and fun. I would suggest resetting MMRs once in maybe a long while (say 6 months? idk) because if not reset, it comes to a point where you just wait in queue for 30 mins then quit because there's zero fun doing that. I'm also guessing this would help keep interest on battlegrounds better.

On the topic, i couldn't care less about what premades do in their own queue if it was that simple. Truth is there are not enough BG players to make 2 queues. I don't know why you would assume that people don't mind waiting because this is an MMO. It's irrelevant. People might not be minding spending much time in an MMO game, but i'm fairly sure nobody finds waiting upto 30 mins for a match fancy. So maybe one day we would get more BGers and have two seperate queues, for the time being that request just doesn't seem relevant.

eso_lags

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

yikes

mav1234

themaddaedra wrote: »

I have been doing battlegrounds all day today and had a hell outta good time. Had a match in max 3 mins, several times even legit instantly, and liked not being forced to match against premades.

Now there are several reasons of course, like many players being in bgs now after the patch and MMR being actually reset. So matchmaking was super fast and fun. I would suggest resetting MMRs once in maybe a long while (say 6 months? idk) because if not reset, it comes to a point where you just wait in queue for 30 mins then quit because there's zero fun doing that. I'm also guessing this would help keep interest on battlegrounds better.

On the topic, i couldn't care less about what premades do in their own queue if it was that simple. Truth is there are not enough BG players to make 2 queues. I don't know why you would assume that people don't mind waiting because this is an MMO. It's irrelevant. People might not be minding spending much time in an MMO game, but i'm fairly sure nobody finds waiting upto 30 mins for a match fancy. So maybe one day we would get more BGers and have two seperate queues, for the time being that request just doesn't seem relevant.

Prior to this change, I would get pops near instantly as well! That's because my MMR was relatively low on the characters I was queuing on. I never had a 30 minute queue. Not to mention, the day after a major patch, lots of people are playing anyway. Certainly possible that this change will reduce bg queue times in the long term, but this MMR reset likely did a lot for that. While I agree that an occasional reset is a good idea, having a working MMR that actually goes down with losses would be good too.

I think the reality is that it IS that simple to have a second queue. There are enough BG players to have 2 queues (assuming they actually implement a leaderboard), or the complaints about premades wouldn't have been so common - unless premades were never the problem anyway. But I am also an "if you build it, they will come" sort :P

Either premades (and duos) were a major problem in the queues in past patches and thus were very common - meaning that if you give people incentives to group, you could pull in even more groups for their own queues - or premades were never that common and it was actually coordinated solo players.

Solace1981

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

It really behooves me why you guys did this. One of the biggest appeals of BGs for me is/was being able to to PVP with friends that are different alliances, taking that away feels crappy. I don`t want the only shared PVP experience with my other alliance friends to be duels or overland PVP in Cyro/IC. Taking away cross alliance BG teaming ability really really makes me sad. The sooner they revert this change the better.

I gree that they need to bring back group queue at some point.

Btw, behooves does not mean what you think it means.

Hahaha, sorry but I was reading the posts and seen this and I was like, I really need to respond on the definition of behooves, it was really bothering me for some reason, lol. Maybe because my DI in boot camp said it quite a bit.

wylievc

So far I've found the MMR / overall match balance to be roughly the same as before the change, and queue times for me have been roughly the same as well. Recently in a match where we scored 0 points to 500, a teammate literally asked if the other team was a premade because they thought that was changed and no longer possible (maybe people who thought premades were a bigger issue assumed they must be facing a premade but in reality, we're just making assumptions and turns out were just not very good at PvP). I say this as a person who plays BGs 90% of the time I am actively playing the game, and solo queue's 90% of the time I play BG's. The only difference now is 1 in 10 matches I don't get rolled by an obvious premade (which I prefer over losing the ability to play with friends), and, oh yeah, I can't play with my brother anymore (we bought the game together to play BGs together), so for me, I've actually been playing a bit less and finding less enjoyment in the game overall, which I find unfortunate.

BTW, has anyone considered that maybe premades mainly rolled against pug groups because there literally was no option for them to enter matchmaking against other premades for an actual challenge? Trust me the rewards aren't that good, AP is about the best you get. You know, god forbid that they implement a group queue along with a solo queue so that people who actually care about a challenge and like coordinating a team have a competative game mode for that. BGs should only really be about allowing people to get that big chunk of daily XP right? (/s) There are enough players for two queues because most will still choose to solo queue. Not having any option to party with friends/groups is ridiculous, IMO, and is personally driving me away from the game.

Millz

Artemiisia wrote: »

I see it like this, you guys (read premades) had your fun, demolishing new players, now its time for a more fair fight, if you wanna be premade, you have 2 out of 3 versions of pvp still, where you can be premade.

Well spoken and short. I applaud this invaluable input and so should ZoS.

To add on this quote, it is a game. Battlegrounds is now a place where you can go and get a mix of fights, instead of running into the same few groups. While this may upset a lot of people there are also a good portion who are silent who welcome this change. My point being is that they can’t please everyone and you still have options to play with friends. Now people who don’t have friends (me and other silent types) we can have an area where we can pvp and not feel on the losing end of the stick constantly.

So to conclude, its not the end of the world. Maybe try going in the 2 lower population or the wasteland that is imperial city.

Millz

Just to add to my comment before i get attacked by some over emotional people. I do believe they should have included a group que. In fact they should have had 3 different queues. One for solo only, one for groups and one for people who just want to get in a game the fastest.

Joinovikova

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Bg is fun now best change zos ever made.. no stupid AOE spam ballgroups in bg.most people want solo only bg. Now premade noobs must show their real skill. Unfortemetly they decided also reset mmr its pitty those player should suffer ...

xshatox

Good riddance to small ball group.
Unkillable tank upfront, 2 glass cannon DD, 1 healbot on the back. Now I dont see them anymore. Although I miss negating them.

Fiktius

Personally I do a lot PvP content when ever I got time for it and BGs were part of that for years.
I've been solo queuing 90 % of my BG matches even before and with every single characters I had fun until I did get more MMR and I found myself most of the times playing against teams which seemed to be pre-mades.
I had a chance to win if I get matched with other solo/duo/trio players which knew what they were doing and my team did play together, but otherwise many of these matches against pre-made teams turned out to be frustrating very frequently.
When that did continue long enough, Cyrodiil got my attention instead and I found myself less often doing BGs.

And now?
Now BG matches are actually interesting. People can't blame pre-made teams for their own failures and poor gameplay.
Now we can actually see how capable players are what comes with doing teamwork with strangers.
Currently matchmaking is still quite random due we didn't have time to build up our MMR yet, but after some time I expect starting to see more balanced matchmaking and I'm personally looking forwards to see which familiar faces I'll start to see more often in my BG matches. I'll enjoy this solo queue as long as I can and as long as this experiment lasts.

Now note:
If there would be enough players in the match making pool to make separated solo & pre-made queue, I would give my full support for it. However if there is not enough pre-mades available to make such separated queue reasonable without ultra long queue times, I would take this solo queue any time over the version we had before.
Now I can actually enjoy BGs again.

Bashev

Joinovikova wrote: »

NaomiHutt wrote: »

I can't believe Zos decided to only give the option to solo queue for battlegrounds after all the feedback on the PTS forum threads.

Would it of really hurt them to have two queue's?

Sure the grouping queue might take much longer to get matches, but this is an MMO first and foremost.

People would not of minded waiting if it meant they could play alongside their loved ones.

To me it's madness that you can no longer group with your partner or best friend in a game that is all about teamwork.

I would like to think most people would agree with me on this that Zos should of allowed for both queuing types.

I really hope in the next few weeks we see this get resolved.

Thank you for reading.

Bg is fun now best change zos ever made.. no stupid AOE spam ballgroups in bg.most people want solo only bg. Now premade noobs must show their real skill. Unfortemetly they decided also reset mmr its pitty those player should suffer ...

Actually last night, I had a few games that remind me to the high MMR that we used to have in EU. Same players as usual so I guess will see you soon in this matches The good thing is that they queeu time still less than 2 minutes which amazing.

wylievc

To anyone saying you can still go to IC or Cyrodiil with friends, that's not a true alternative for players who have become accustomed to playing with friends in BGs. They don't compare to BGs: laggy, either CP enabled, or barren, time-consuming, and most importantly, non-structured. I won't be going there.

And when people say solo queuers before got the short end of the stick, I'm pretty sure those people never played BGs often enough to really know what the average match was really like. It didn't feel at a disadvantage at all 95% of the time I solo queued, which was the vast majority of the time.

sekou_trayvond

Oof. Yep. Can confirm. Holey moley has resetting everyone's MMR been illuminating. I'm straight TRASH vs those well above my skill range. A Deathmatch game, in particular, is eye opening.

Apologies to all my teammates in the meantime. Until MMRs rebalance this is going to be PAINFUL for the likes of me.

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

I'm interested to see how it plays out this patch. I fully expect grouping to return next quarter. In the meantime it's going to be a very telling experience. I wonder how many players are going to realize that most of their BG woes are not due to premades at all.

MusCanus

mav1234 wrote: »

Now BG matches are actually interesting.

Can confirm, a lot more matches where you can't tell the winner till the last minutes. There are still matches where 1 team clearly dominates, but they are few, while before they were the majority.

russelmmendoza

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

No!!!
No to bg group queue.
Just no.

Seriously no.

Just to make it,

Fair and square,

Totally random,

Almost equal chance of winning.

Premades just runover random groups. Almost all of the time.

Wargaard

Artemiisia wrote: »

I see it like this, you guys (read premades) had your fun, demolishing new players, now its time for a more fair fight, if you wanna be premade, you have 2 out of 3 versions of pvp still, where you can be premade.

The funniest part about this post is where most of the actual sweaty HC premade players are good pvp'ers ... not all mind you, but most. Step 1v1 most will still stomp casual BG players.

Now as to the point of 2 out of 3? No, it's pretty clear that when ESO launched the message was play how you want to play. Play solo BGs and get destroyed by a group of co-ordinated players? Well... you're playing how you want to play.

Want to take most of those players out of your BGs (not all, some do it just to pug stomp and e-peen), let them play how they want to play - competitive 4v4 (not the lack of the extra v4 there?) ranked BG's.

If you do that and let people group, people make friends and also get to group with current friends - often pvp'ers who are playing with ppl who don't pvp at all or who find cyrodiil too much.

Elwendryll

So. I was playing BGs regularly before, almost always in solo (Very rarely with a group, when the queue was broken and it worked better if you joined as a group).

Premades were bad, yes. It felt like a wave crashing pointlessly against a rock. But sometimes it was just a team of individual players who happened to have a healer and/or a very good player.

Maybe it's just because I'm often playing late at night, but since the change, after my first match (it was a joke), the difficulty was pretty high, and more consistent (compared to what I was used to). The average skill of players was higher, comebacks were still possible.

The main difference now is that people have to get creative to explain why they don't get any kill.

Anyway, now I feel like I have to optimize my build more, because the people I'm matched against don't look like they PvP casually.

Eyllora

I guess it's important that a lot of people give feedback on this change so here is mine.

I feel quite unhappy about it personally. I did a lot of battlegrounds lately because of farming specific gear for low level characters for my boyfriend. And the funny part about it was to team up with him as I am not a huge fan of BG.

I don't really like the opposition between PVPers/PVEers, let's say that he's more oriented PVP, and I equally enjoy PVP (Cyro) and PVE.
In any case, even though it was just farming sessions, we took it seriously not to be liability for our group and we prepared builds for the different characters we had to run at specific levels etc.
We won a lot, and also we lost sometimes, usually is was against full premade group : they were better than us, it was deserved. They were just amazing teams !!!!! Sometimes it was a good fight though and sometimes they were wrecking us. When match was over, we were just moving towards a new one. And that's it. Matchmaking was so much faster in the last months, so we were doing a lot every time we were playing. Personally I learned a lot about my different characters, their skills, eventual builds by fighting these premade groups : I had to think about how to become better to counter them, and that was interesting.

What I'm trying to say is that, in my opinion (and of course I know that people can disagree) fighting better players and losing to them eventually is normal and part of any PVP experience. Having activities with friends is what makes certain aspects of the game so much funnier. This is why I find it sad about not being able anymore to team up with who I want. And I really hope there'll be soon a solution about that.

We still need to farm Coward gear lvl 35,40,45 and I'm already bored by the idea of going there alone :-(

Schokolade

russelmmendoza wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

No!!!
No to bg group queue.
Just no.

Seriously no.

Just to make it,

Fair and square,

Totally random,

Almost equal chance of winning.

Premades just runover random groups. Almost all of the time.

I will never understand people like you.

You are playing on a MMO = ONLINE.

All games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
- and even in Pve for trials best score.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.

But you want "fair and square"; what is "fair and square"? Totally random is fair? If you get bad players you'll lose or if you'll get good team you'll win.
So same as before, but RNG.

I played a lot yesterday, and almost always a team overwin (deathmatch). - when I say overwin I mean 0/1 death for the winner team.
At least before, when I played with my Gf or Friends losing wasn't so frustrating. And don't give me the premade thing.
Playing together is more fun and less frustrating.
Note: Often I've played with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, almost never of 3 or 4, so I understand the "frustation" of be wiped from full premade.

The reality is that a lot of people are bad or novice (not their fault) and the premade thing is just an excuse.
"I died because of them, not because I have to improve/my team is not following the rules of the match/common sense".
Not always ofc.

And don't give me the Cyro thing please. Btg are different from Cyro, in many ways.


I'll say it another time:

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

It is an Online game, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that.

Joinovikova

Schokolade wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

No!!!
No to bg group queue.
Just no.

Seriously no.

Just to make it,

Fair and square,

Totally random,

Almost equal chance of winning.

Premades just runover random groups. Almost all of the time.

I will never understand people like you.

You are playing on a MMO = ONLINE.

All games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
- and even in Pve for trials best score.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.

But you want "fair and square"; what is "fair and square"? Totally random is fair? If you get bad players you'll lose or if you'll get good team you'll win.
So same as before, but RNG.

I played a lot yesterday, and almost always a team overwin (deathmatch). - when I say overwin I mean 0/1 death for the winner team.
At least before, when I played with my Gf or Friends losing wasn't so frustrating. And don't give me the premade thing.
Playing together is more fun and less frustrating.
Note: Often I've played with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, almost never of 3 or 4, so I understand the "frustation" of be wiped from full premade.

The reality is that a lot of people are bad or novice (not their fault) and the premade thing is just an excuse.
"I died because of them, not because I have to improve/my team is not following the rules of the match/common sense".
Not always ofc.

And don't give me the Cyro thing please. Btg are different from Cyro, in many ways.


I'll say it another time:

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

It is an Online game, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that.

The game should ne first fun to play. And it wasnt fun to play agains full premaded aoe spaming ball group with dedicated bˇgroup set ups amd gesrs like Ebony worm etc.
One of this group destroy bg for all others... 4 players have fun rest of all only stupid frustration.. wait 20 mins in queue and then get this it was not fun amd infortemetly it already hard hit Bg player base.. pve is different story i can play i ca. Enjoy and not care about if some no lifer need to be first in Trial. Simply it is not hit my game experience or make dungeon unaccesible for me. But one no lifer premade aoe group make bg unaccesible f

Sinolai

AsNied wrote: »

This is some kind of experiment. Z OS thinks that more player will go to Cyrodiil and to sewers for group play and leave BGs for soloing. We will see how impact this change will make.

The probelm is you cant do proper group play in cyro/IC if you are from different alliances.

Minyassa

There's been a big problem in ESO with married, cohabiting, dating, or otherwise close couples monopolizing server time, all playing together all the time and generally being pests with their gross displays of happy duoing. ESO needed to do something to drive those people out. They were using up all the Mara scrolls and buying up all the houses that might have gone to nice SINGLE people. For some reason this game is popular with couples. Nobody wants to see that!

Schokolade

The game should ne first fun to play. And it wasnt fun to play agains full premaded aoe spaming ball group with dedicated bˇgroup set ups amd gesrs like Ebony worm etc.
One of this group destroy bg for all others... 4 players have fun rest of all only stupid frustration.. wait 20 mins in queue and then get this it was not fun amd infortemetly it already hard hit Bg player base.. pve is different story i can play i ca. Enjoy and not care about if some no lifer need to be first in Trial. Simply it is not hit my game experience or make dungeon unaccesible for me. But one no lifer premade aoe group make bg unaccesible f

I suggest you to read all.

Every online game is like this. Even pvp games.
You wanna true and fair match? Then they should first balance all anyway, and maybe don't leave us with 3 vs 4 vs 4 matches.
Maybe they should also have to consider no same classes on same Btg (?)
But that's not the point right? You'll keep thinking that way, and me too; and it's not a easy argoument.

I'll say it another time, I don't understand why we must have one thing or the other.

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

Note:

I'm so stubborn about this because I used to play a lot of Btg with my Gf (between one story and another). It was fun, even when losing.
Now I feel really sad, and yes, I'll play one or 2 Btg in future, but for me it is a great loss.
Lot of pepole love to do dungeons, I don't - I do them for pledge, story or screen (beautiful location indeed), but isn't my priority.
This is why I'll keep with my idea of 2 queues (or, like I said 10000 times, a better solution from a BIG company like Zos).

Joinovikova

Schokolade wrote: »

The game should ne first fun to play. And it wasnt fun to play agains full premaded aoe spaming ball group with dedicated bˇgroup set ups amd gesrs like Ebony worm etc.
One of this group destroy bg for all others... 4 players have fun rest of all only stupid frustration.. wait 20 mins in queue and then get this it was not fun amd infortemetly it already hard hit Bg player base.. pve is different story i can play i ca. Enjoy and not care about if some no lifer need to be first in Trial. Simply it is not hit my game experience or make dungeon unaccesible for me. But one no lifer premade aoe group make bg unaccesible f

I suggest you to read all.

Every online game is like this. Even pvp games.
You wanna true and fair match? Then they should first balance all anyway, and maybe don't leave us with 3 vs 4 vs 4 matches.
Maybe they should also have to consider no same classes on same Btg (?)
But that's not the point right? You'll keep thinking that way, and me too; and it's not a easy argoument.

I'll say it another time, I don't understand why we must have one thing or the other.

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

Note:

I'm so stubborn about this because I used to play a lot of Btg with my Gf (between one story and another). It was fun, even when losing.
Now I feel really sad, and yes, I'll play one or 2 Btg in future, but for me it is a great loss.
Lot of pepole love to do dungeons, I don't - I do them for pledge, story or screen (beautiful location indeed), but isn't my priority.
This is why I'll keep with my idea of 2 queues (or, like I said 10000 times, a better solution from a BIG company like Zos).

Current solution is much better then previous one...3vs4vs4.. since patch i domt have 20mins qeiue time and always have 4vs4vs4.

Elwendryll

Joinovikova wrote: »

Current solution is much better then previous one...3vs4vs4.. since patch i domt have 20mins qeiue time and always have 4vs4vs4.

I have to say I have been having very low queue time and only full matches since the change. So that's a plus.