Battlegrounds Solo queuing only

JanTanhide

This is what happens when the PVP crowd complains incessantly about one thing over and over. The results are not always what was wanted.

Remember Faction Lock? Wonder how that came to be.

PVPers be careful what you complain about. The results may not be what you wanted.

TequilaFire

Of course queue times are shorter for now, MMR was reset and more are at the same MMR level.
Crow about queue time a couple of weeks from now.

Elusiin

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself. No stupid Synergy teams anymore that win by pressing X.

Well, you can still synergize with your teammates. I prefer having that with a group of randos, and the other teams being on the same level. This is much more fair, fun, and rewarding. I hated premade groups that rolfstomped everyone in BGs, it took all the fun out of it.

Kidgangster101

Iki wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

It really behooves me why you guys did this. One of the biggest appeals of BGs for me is/was being able to to PVP with friends that are different alliances, taking that away feels crappy. I don`t want the only shared PVP experience with my other alliance friends to be duels or overland PVP in Cyro/IC. Taking away cross alliance BG teaming ability really really makes me sad. The sooner they revert this change the better.

Then ask for another queue for premades, not reverting this change that many have happily waited for. This change simply had to happen, as power-creep between organized groups and randoms is just too big, they can`t really have fun at the same "sandbox".
I actually believe that premade-only queue could become surprisingly popular if such was formed, as then players would know exactly what to expect and get the challenge they are looking for.
Not everyone enjoy so called "seal clubbing" and that`s what premade vs randoms matches have mostly been for a long time now. Now that era is over and I say: good riddance.

Please stop man, I'm all for 2 ques but at the end of the day it shouldn't be needed one bit. SOLO players CHOOSE to not group up in a TEAM BASED MODE. That is the SOLO players fault. This change is the equivalent of solo que trials because the person that normally plays "solo" got kicked for being bad and wouldn't try to improve at all. I literally don't get this game, this is the only game I've seen were people cry so much about solo play in a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game...... If you want solo content in a MMO why not just play Skyrim or play the new elder scrolls 6 when it launches........ That is solo play only catering to your every need and want lol.

Basically your argument is "it's not fair this group is sticking together in a game mode where it's the objective but I refuse to join a group and do the same thing"....... Logic

ScardyFox

You should be able to at least go duo, ffs. You guys sure do like wasting your time on meaningless things to pay attention to and needlessly adjust.

iALEXi

Duos, yes..
Before this patch when Cyro lagged in the evening, we went to BGs to escape the lag.
Now there is no place to escape the Cyro lag anymore, if you want to play this game's PvP with your friends.

Now we will just play another game when Cyro is unplayable, because there's no other place.
Not only us will do that, but I know more people who have the same opinion, they do BGs to escape Cyro lag...

ATomiX69

You guys highly overestimate how many people are queueing bgs if you think it could support two seperate queues for premades and solos.
But what they did is a *** solution nonetheless (as per usual).

crjs1

I am really happy with that changes. Pre made’s stomping solo’s was just unbalanced ridiculousness and in no way fun.

Ideally 2 queues would be great but if the population can’t sustain it then there should be 1 as present with no grouping. It’s been a great change.

MurderMostFoul

Max group size of 2 for BGs and call it a day.

max_only

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Max group size of 2 for BGs and call it a day.

“But I want to play with my hubby and my best friend it’s not fair!!!!!1!1!1!! There’s no other place in the entire game for us to play together!1!1!!!”

Casterial

ZOS took the lazy approach, which was to blanket the queue system into solos

A correct fix would have been x size can only go against x size or be paired with x size. Example, 2 queue, every team has to have a duo queue partner on their team

This would require tech and engineering time, and they already showed they could redo it (i.e. undaunted) but for PVP we aren't worth it.

Shadesofkin

It rather surprises me, I came back to the game, thinking "now I can queue up in small pvp with people I know" and suddenly I find that is no longer the case...

I see a lot of remarks saying "now they have to prove their skill"
Teams *are* skill, they are coordination, planning, and strategy...someone being objectively stronger in 1v1 is proven in duels, but BG seemed to be small group pvp...so that argument makes no sense to me.

That being said, I suppose I will give it a shot regardless.

MusCanus

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

darthgummibear_ESO

NaomiHutt wrote: »

Would it ofhave really hurt them to have two queue's?

Considering they can't make the only queue we have function properly, yes...it would hurt them XD

Vicinia

MusCanus wrote: »

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

So we're gonna make a generalizing statement about those who have a different opinion than you, very mature. Not childish in the slightest. An example of the excellent discourse I've grown accustomed to in this forum.

There's nothing to even cry about. The devs will do as they wish, we're just along for the ride. If they add a group queue, cool. If they don't? Cool.

It would be nice if Cyrodiil didn't feel like a one eyed, three legged 5 year old hamster was running the server through it's wheel. Maybe there would probably be less backlash. That's asking too much these days. Thems the breaks 🤷🏾‍♀️

MusCanus

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

So we're gonna make a generalizing statement about those who have a different opinion than you, very mature. Not childish in the slightest. An example of the excellent discourse I've grown accustomed to in this forum.

There's nothing to even cry about. The devs will do as they wish, we're just along for the ride. If they add a group queue, cool. If they don't? Cool.

It would be nice if Cyrodiil didn't feel like a one eyed, three legged 5 year old hamster was running the server through it's wheel. Maybe there would probably be less backlash. That's asking too much these days. Thems the breaks 🤷🏾‍♀️

What are you so upset about, that I called them/you crybabies or don't consider as a real threat?

Agree about Cyro though, it would be so much less of a deal what they make with BGs if Cyrodiil were playable.

thissocalledflower

The only thing i want from BG is level 6 and my daily bonuses. Dont want to play it for two hours against organised teams with impen armor just to getthe daily bonus. If i have time i may choose to play it more than once or even several times in a row esp if i am close to level 6 in support and assault but after that i dont care much for it.

****Thank you for the SOLO queue****

Vicinia

MusCanus wrote: »

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

So we're gonna make a generalizing statement about those who have a different opinion than you, very mature. Not childish in the slightest. An example of the excellent discourse I've grown accustomed to in this forum.

There's nothing to even cry about. The devs will do as they wish, we're just along for the ride. If they add a group queue, cool. If they don't? Cool.

It would be nice if Cyrodiil didn't feel like a one eyed, three legged 5 year old hamster was running the server through it's wheel. Maybe there would probably be less backlash. That's asking too much these days. Thems the breaks 🤷🏾‍♀️

What are you so upset about, that I called them/you crybabies or don't consider as a real threat?

Agree about Cyro though, it would be so much less of a deal what they make with BGs if Cyrodiil were playable.

Man it's the internet. You can call me what you wish. I've got thick skin. That's not the problem. I empathize with those who solo queue and get stomped out by premades. That's not right and I feel bad for them. But you assume everyone who wants to play with a friend trolls about, griefs pugs or/and is bad. I roll in a duo, I solo here and there. I've been stomped out in premades. Zerged in Cyro, it's whatever I'm used to it. I can adapt, I have for the past 6 years.

What I don't understand is how people can legit make blanket statements as if everyone fits in that box. I think there should be solo queues, and group queues. I don't get why people automatically go to insults, and don't attempt to at least have a decent conversation. We're adults here, aren't we?

Some of us just like to play with others, just like some of you want to solo. It's that simple, no underlying agenda or reasoning.

MusCanus

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

So we're gonna make a generalizing statement about those who have a different opinion than you, very mature. Not childish in the slightest. An example of the excellent discourse I've grown accustomed to in this forum.

There's nothing to even cry about. The devs will do as they wish, we're just along for the ride. If they add a group queue, cool. If they don't? Cool.

It would be nice if Cyrodiil didn't feel like a one eyed, three legged 5 year old hamster was running the server through it's wheel. Maybe there would probably be less backlash. That's asking too much these days. Thems the breaks 🤷🏾‍♀️

What are you so upset about, that I called them/you crybabies or don't consider as a real threat?

Agree about Cyro though, it would be so much less of a deal what they make with BGs if Cyrodiil were playable.

Man it's the internet. You can call me what you wish. I've got thick skin. That's not the problem. I empathize with those who solo queue and get stomped out by premades. That's not right and I feel bad for them. But you assume everyone who wants to play with a friend trolls about, griefs pugs or/and is bad. I roll in a duo, I solo here and there. I've been stomped out in premades. Zerged in Cyro, it's whatever I'm used to it. I can adapt, I have for the past 6 years.

What I don't understand is how people can legit make blanket statements as if everyone fits in that box. I think there should be solo queues, and group queues. I don't get why people automatically go to insults, and don't attempt to at least have a decent conversation. We're adults here, aren't we?

Some of us just like to play with others, just like some of you want to solo. It's that simple, no underlying agenda or reasoning.

Ok, I get it, I enjoy playing with friends too, I think most do. If you're all about thick skin and adaptation, here is a hint: try queueing for BGs with a friend at the very same time and chances that you'll end up in the same match are very high. But you'll be in different teams most likely. I've found it to be no less fun than playing on the same side. Now if it is not your type of fun, maybe you're not as thick skinned and/or adaptive and more of a... you know, crybaby? You wouldn't take it as an offense from such a childish person, would you?

Vicinia

MusCanus wrote: »

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Vicinia wrote: »

MusCanus wrote: »

Well, I guess they should let all the crybabies from this thread group up for BGs. When I think about premades who can actually stomp pugs eh... pretty sure it's not them.

So we're gonna make a generalizing statement about those who have a different opinion than you, very mature. Not childish in the slightest. An example of the excellent discourse I've grown accustomed to in this forum.

There's nothing to even cry about. The devs will do as they wish, we're just along for the ride. If they add a group queue, cool. If they don't? Cool.

It would be nice if Cyrodiil didn't feel like a one eyed, three legged 5 year old hamster was running the server through it's wheel. Maybe there would probably be less backlash. That's asking too much these days. Thems the breaks 🤷🏾‍♀️

What are you so upset about, that I called them/you crybabies or don't consider as a real threat?

Agree about Cyro though, it would be so much less of a deal what they make with BGs if Cyrodiil were playable.

Man it's the internet. You can call me what you wish. I've got thick skin. That's not the problem. I empathize with those who solo queue and get stomped out by premades. That's not right and I feel bad for them. But you assume everyone who wants to play with a friend trolls about, griefs pugs or/and is bad. I roll in a duo, I solo here and there. I've been stomped out in premades. Zerged in Cyro, it's whatever I'm used to it. I can adapt, I have for the past 6 years.

What I don't understand is how people can legit make blanket statements as if everyone fits in that box. I think there should be solo queues, and group queues. I don't get why people automatically go to insults, and don't attempt to at least have a decent conversation. We're adults here, aren't we?

Some of us just like to play with others, just like some of you want to solo. It's that simple, no underlying agenda or reasoning.

Ok, I get it, I enjoy playing with friends too, I think most do. If you're all about thick skin and adaptation, here is a hint: try queueing for BGs with a friend at the very same time and chances that you'll end up in the same match are very high. But you'll be in different teams most likely. I've found it to be no less fun than playing on the same side. Now if it is not your type of fun, maybe you're not as thick skinned and/or adaptive and more of a... you know, crybaby? You wouldn't take it as an offense from such a childish person, would you?

I was actually considering it funny enough lol. I did run across my husband (then bf) in another MMOs PvP and mopped the floor with him. I'll run it past him, it'd be good practice. His stamplar hits like a truck. I'd still like the option to play with him though.

If that was your attempt at some sort of challenge to see if I wasn't up for it by chance, unfortunately that's not the case. It's PvP taking your licks comes with the experience. Your statement was still childish and you're still being narrow-minded 🤷🏾‍♀️

MusCanus

Vicinia wrote: »

Your statement was still childish and you're still being narrow-minded 🤷🏾‍♀️

I don't mind, lol. Always a pleasure to contribute to the divorce rate.

Vicinia

MusCanus wrote: »

Vicinia wrote: »

Your statement was still childish and you're still being narrow-minded 🤷🏾‍♀️

I don't mind, lol. Always a pleasure to contribute to the divorce rate.

Ok that was funny. Enjoy the awesome lol

L2Pissue

Let's not forget its a game of majority.
If you happy with your premade group that's cool
but since it's literally preventing thousands of players from playing and enjoying battlegrounds then that's an issue.

Solo queue battlegrounds are the best. each player gets to be assigned to a group and can befriend and play with new players

this is an MMO. not 4 players multiplayer game. get a life and make friends, enjoy the contested battlegrounds rather than free killing new players,

winning with unfair advantage over other players is not healthy for any game ever created

Kidgangster101

L2Pissue wrote: »

Let's not forget its a game of majority.
If you happy with your premade group that's cool
but since it's literally preventing thousands of players from playing and enjoying battlegrounds then that's an issue.

Solo queue battlegrounds are the best. each player gets to be assigned to a group and can befriend and play with new players

this is an MMO. not 4 players multiplayer game. get a life and make friends, enjoy the contested battlegrounds rather than free killing new players,

winning with unfair advantage over other players is not healthy for any game ever created

So you say we can meet new players and befriend them and play? Nope we can't because I only pvp so I can't do BG with my new friend I just made.

Hell let me tell you on one hand the amount of people I met through BG because 90% of the player base wants to que solo and not even say hi in a BG chat......

So now basically the we brought back these thousands of players that weren't playing for what a week? Then they will still get stomped out by anyone with half a brain and sticks/communicates with a group. Then quess what? Those thousands of players you claim will now quit again and start crying about something else wrong with bg all because they want to wander off alone against a full group of 4 sticking together......

The real problem isn't "premades" stomping people, it is most people don't want to lose and can't actually admit someone was better than them. "Lag" or "cheap skill" or "hacker" or "camper" .

So this change just hurts players trying to play in a team mode. The real change that should have been made is a 1v1v1 so they can play "solo" rather than ruining "group" play for everyone......

p00tx

I get why this happened, and I'm hopeful that it'll work out well, but I know that weaker players will always find a way to take an easy win. I see a lot more cloak/snipe spammers and Army-of-one 4-pet Sorc builds in our BG futures. I really hope I'm wrong, but I don't have a lot of faith in the community.

wylievc

Despite all the bickering between the two polarizing views, I think a great solution has already been proposed herein the thread.

Keep Solo Queue as is.

Add Ranked/Competitive Queue with only 4v4.

Making a group-enabled Ranked/Competitive queue 4v4 only not only makes the mode more competitive for those who are up for the challenge but also makes the Ranked/Competitive queue pop faster by requiring 33% less matchmaking. In terms of the existing maps containing 3 spawn points/objectives, 1 spawn/objective could simply be disabled or have their objective turned neutral for a different dynamic. Or maybe throw in a fairly quick and dirty map out of existing assets that uses a symmetric setup, or rehash a lesser-used existing map to toss them a bone.

wolfie1.0.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We need to wait and see how this does in a live environment with a lot of traffic, versus the PTS which is historically a smaller sampling. As mentioned in the patch notes, we'll be monitoring both feedback and how it impacts the system once everything goes live today and in the coming weeks.

So honest question here @ZOS_GinaBruno Is there any chance that, if in a few weeks everything is stable that we get both a solo and group queue for battlegrounds. Or are we seriously looking at not having group battlegrounds as an option until the next major update at the end of May-June?

karekiz

Balancing for

PvE
PvP:
Cyro CP
Cyro Non-CP
Battlegrounds itself
Battlegrounds Group comps

Are too time consuming. No matter how much people slice it, your basically balancing around a tiny tiny tiny % of players that run certain comps and gear, in what is essentially one game mode of the greater PvP experience.

Alomar

When it comes to design decisions relating to pvp this level of incompetence is hardly surprising. It's like fool pvpers once...shame on ZOS...fool pvpers 736 times shame on pvpers for still supporting a company that treats you like a 5th class costumer.

mav1234

karekiz wrote: »

Balancing for

PvE
PvP:
Cyro CP
Cyro Non-CP
Battlegrounds itself
Battlegrounds Group comps

Are too time consuming. No matter how much people slice it, your basically balancing around a tiny tiny tiny % of players that run certain comps and gear, in what is essentially one game mode of the greater PvP experience.

A lot of the problems in higher MMR BGs are the same as in Cyrodil, e.g. the level of tankiness of players.