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MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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It is easier to hit a bow proc after fear than a soul harvest after fear, as the latter now has a dumb cast time and as they reduced the minimum travel time for merciless some time ago. I'm not saying there are no other ways, but from what I've seen this is the most reliable way if you want to quickly burst someone without giving them a chance to recover (when using soul harvest). I'm usually whittling people down with la + spammable and dots before I burst, and when they reach about 70% hp, then go in to try for the finish.brandonv516 wrote: »
Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
My preferred style works though - many "decent players" can attest to that. My trick?
I don't blow my load right away...
I anticipate the dodge roll and if I can have a second of patience I get the hit and it will still be 20% empowered by SH and Lotus Fan (Minor Vulnerability).
I could post some video but I'm not here to brag, just being friendly by saying that there isn't one way to do it.
Of course your principle remains. Not blowing everything at once and saving your bow works very well against people who dodge often and quickly, but if you do that you run into the risk of someone healing to full in the time you wait. It is usually my plan B.1 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
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It is easier to hit a bow proc after fear than a soul harvest after fear, as the latter now has a dumb cast time and as they reduced the minimum travel time for merciless some time ago. I'm not saying there are no other ways, but from what I've seen this is the most reliable way if you want to quickly burst someone without giving them a chance to recover (when using soul harvest). I'm usually whittling people down with la + spammable and dots before I burst, and when they reach about 70% hp, then go in to try for the finish.brandonv516 wrote: »
Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
My preferred style works though - many "decent players" can attest to that. My trick?
I don't blow my load right away...
I anticipate the dodge roll and if I can have a second of patience I get the hit and it will still be 20% empowered by SH and Lotus Fan (Minor Vulnerability).
I could post some video but I'm not here to brag, just being friendly by saying that there isn't one way to do it.
Of course your principle remains. Not blowing everything at once and saving your bow works very well against people who dodge often and quickly, but if you do that you run into the risk of someone healing to full in the time you wait. It is usually my plan B.
That’s exactly how i play as well. With you on this one 100%0 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.0 -
zammo✭✭✭Not a snowball in hells chance am I using an ult with cast time. Meteor front, Consuming Darkness back. I know it has it's own CC, but (in melee range) Meteor > Fear > Assassin's Will lines up nice. Also, I never used Pirate Skeleton, so never really appreciated what major protection gives. With Consuming Darkness, hots and Merciless stacks up, you're tanky af.1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
I'm starting to lean towards shadowy being the only form of cloak this patch. I loved dark cloak last patch with pirate and mercy stacks, just damn Tanky. Now with all these single target dots flying everywhere I think shadowy is bis to mitigate the damage. It will also lead to a more reliable soul harvest like you suggest than the dark cloak burst.
Even the heals from dark cloak are starting to seem a little pointless. With shadowy I don't see any reason to run more than brp healing ward and rapid Regen.
I'm starting to feel the more I'm in cyro that the dot meta has changed the meta for magnb back into shadowy disguise0 -
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✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
I'm starting to lean towards shadowy being the only form of cloak this patch. I loved dark cloak last patch with pirate and mercy stacks, just damn Tanky. Now with all these single target dots flying everywhere I think shadowy is bis to mitigate the damage. It will also lead to a more reliable soul harvest like you suggest than the dark cloak burst.
Even the heals from dark cloak are starting to seem a little pointless. With shadowy I don't see any reason to run more than brp healing ward and rapid Regen.
I'm starting to feel the more I'm in cyro that the dot meta has changed the meta for magnb back into shadowy disguise
Agreed, but you’ll notice a huge loss in survivability from missing minor protection. That plus merciless stacks seem to drop for no reason.
I’ve moved temporal guard as my back bar Ult for a little more tankiness on my defensive bar. Shield while blocking and minor protection help.
If you’re 1vX Disguise is definitely better. In a small (organized) or large scale setting I still think dark cloak is better.Edited by Iskiab on 22 August 2019 12:56Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
This has always been true. And more so for scale breaker. Shadowy+RR/HW def looks like the way to go over dark cloak.0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.
Why though? Soul Harvest into hysteria into bow is a sure hit on the bow if the ping isn't too high. The additional 20% damage on the bow is really good. I really have no problems with magplars... Hardest to fight are magdks and stamwardens imo.
Typically because it saves the CC for later in the combo. Fear>SH is fine but then the bow is very unlikely to land verse anyone decent. I don’t use shadowy to land SH outright easily so it’s typical for me to have to CC before the SH, especially true for mobile targets. And if I try that vs a plar or burst heal type- they can heal thru easily at the end of the combo.
This will also be more true for next patch where SH will need the Pre-CC to land vs a mud crab.
But if I open with a bow outta no where, they typically don’t expect it because they are used to it after the normal SH>Bow proc. So that lands more often. Also since it’s not a one shot DMG, they don’t go super defensive, then Fear>SH/Spammable cleans it up.
I dunno, im the other way around completely... I also use the bow out of nowhere too but it's usually against those who "aren't decent" as you say. Because I wont need the full damage combo to kill them. Soul harvest first is also very useful against those "high burst healers" you keep having trouble with because your opening hit has a major defile. Their heals wont hit as hard, and if they spend their GCD purging, that's more damage (buffed by the 20% additional damage from soul harvest) they arent healing.
And I dunno if we have vastly different pings or experiences but I keep saying that hysteria into bow has a very high probability of landing and you keep saying that it won't work against anyone decent. But it does for me, consistently too... And i'm sure im not just fighting potatoes.
It's actually the other way around more so this patch because hysteria into soul harvest now has a cast time and it's very probable now that those "decent" people will be able to dodge it.
But anyway this isn't a nightblade mechanics thread so i probably wont drag this conversation out any longer. Back to the theorycrafting!!
Just to clarify:
My normal combo opens with fear>SH. This means you can’t use the bow insta-after because break free/dodge roll is quicker than the travel time. (Normally)
SH>Fear and then bow is fine as you’ve stated. But again I’ve been a dark cloak user so getting SH to land cleanly isn’t the easiest so it’s normally Fear>SH for me. Shadowy in scalebreaker should help that.
If I run my normal rotation vs a plar- they break free and spam heal/block the bow. So in return I flip it, save the CC for later in the combo. They dead.
I’m sure everyone here has had success, just in different ways.1 -
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✭✭✭Just tried out a new setup for magblade healing in BGs with a lot of success. You just have to think outside the box to do well this patch I think.
I don’t know if magblade dps is the same, but I’d try and experiment more to stay ahead of the curve.Edited by Iskiab on 22 August 2019 15:40Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
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PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
I'm starting to lean towards shadowy being the only form of cloak this patch. I loved dark cloak last patch with pirate and mercy stacks, just damn Tanky. Now with all these single target dots flying everywhere I think shadowy is bis to mitigate the damage. It will also lead to a more reliable soul harvest like you suggest than the dark cloak burst.
Even the heals from dark cloak are starting to seem a little pointless. With shadowy I don't see any reason to run more than brp healing ward and rapid Regen.
I'm starting to feel the more I'm in cyro that the dot meta has changed the meta for magnb back into shadowy disguise
Actually I'm also really struggeling to justify dark cloak on the bar, with 3,4k cost, a pretty short duration for minor protection, and a miniorcre healing that is by far subpar to mutagen/ rapid regen which also cost less..
Idk, I always enjoyed the tanky playstyle, ~30k hp was giving dark cloak decent heals and is easy to reach, but whats the point if other generic skills are just flat out better - especially disguise. Man they really killed my playstyle for good0 -
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✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
I'm starting to lean towards shadowy being the only form of cloak this patch. I loved dark cloak last patch with pirate and mercy stacks, just damn Tanky. Now with all these single target dots flying everywhere I think shadowy is bis to mitigate the damage. It will also lead to a more reliable soul harvest like you suggest than the dark cloak burst.
Even the heals from dark cloak are starting to seem a little pointless. With shadowy I don't see any reason to run more than brp healing ward and rapid Regen.
I'm starting to feel the more I'm in cyro that the dot meta has changed the meta for magnb back into shadowy disguise
Actually I'm also really struggeling to justify dark cloak on the bar, with 3,4k cost, a pretty short duration for minor protection, and a miniorcre healing that is by far subpar to mutagen/ rapid regen which also cost less..
Idk, I always enjoyed the tanky playstyle, ~30k hp was giving dark cloak decent heals and is easy to reach, but whats the point if other generic skills are just flat out better - especially disguise. Man they really killed my playstyle for good
It can still be decent, at least from my no-CP experience. Difference is moreso that you can survive easily vs 1 opponent but it’s hard vs two. If you’re solo yea, go Disguise.
In BGs it’s a crap shoot unless you premade. In a premade I run dark cloak, if I solo queue I run Disguise.
Reducing mag tankiness made coordination too important, so running dark cloak isn’t worth it because you can get trash team mates.
Either way, try harness magicka or ward. Hot stacking can work but you have to back it up with a shield or get bursted by health desyncs.Edited by Iskiab on 22 August 2019 19:01Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I felt the best way to sneak in the casttime soul harvest is actually from cloak. As you have full control of the timing you essentially get rid of the cast time and the enemy is unlikely to avoid it. I dont like playing with cloak but regarding the current meta its just waaay to efficient.
I'm starting to lean towards shadowy being the only form of cloak this patch. I loved dark cloak last patch with pirate and mercy stacks, just damn Tanky. Now with all these single target dots flying everywhere I think shadowy is bis to mitigate the damage. It will also lead to a more reliable soul harvest like you suggest than the dark cloak burst.
Even the heals from dark cloak are starting to seem a little pointless. With shadowy I don't see any reason to run more than brp healing ward and rapid Regen.
I'm starting to feel the more I'm in cyro that the dot meta has changed the meta for magnb back into shadowy disguise
Actually I'm also really struggeling to justify dark cloak on the bar, with 3,4k cost, a pretty short duration for minor protection, and a miniorcre healing that is by far subpar to mutagen/ rapid regen which also cost less..
Idk, I always enjoyed the tanky playstyle, ~30k hp was giving dark cloak decent heals and is easy to reach, but whats the point if other generic skills are just flat out better - especially disguise. Man they really killed my playstyle for good
I feel ya, It took me a while to finally let heavy armor die. My hot based lizard wizard back then in heavy was dope, and for a brief time it was back in a light armor variation last patch. I still have a setup tweaked for this patch it's just I feel I'm thinking too narrow. I almost won't let myself give shadowy a chance outside of gank builds, however I think that is about to change.0 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭Anyone know if funnel health will proc curse eater since Its a heal every 2 seconds?
I think rally and fw use to proc it because of that but I'm not sure.0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?0 -
Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here0 -
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✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »Anyone know if funnel health will proc curse eater since Its a heal every 2 seconds?
I think rally and fw use to proc it because of that but I'm not sure.
Last I checked it does, and curse eater also worked with leeching strikes and lifesteal. At least last patch...2 -
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✭✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.Edited by Iskiab on 23 August 2019 01:18Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
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Mrsinister2✭✭✭✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »Anyone know if funnel health will proc curse eater since Its a heal every 2 seconds?
I think rally and fw use to proc it because of that but I'm not sure.
Last I checked it does, and curse eater also worked with leeching strikes and lifesteal. At least last patch...Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yea this is exactly what I experienced with it tonight the hot is really bad.
They should have moved the minor vitality to it after removing it from swallow soul.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »Mrsinister2 wrote: »Anyone know if funnel health will proc curse eater since Its a heal every 2 seconds?
I think rally and fw use to proc it because of that but I'm not sure.
Last I checked it does, and curse eater also worked with leeching strikes and lifesteal. At least last patch...Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yea this is exactly what I experienced with it tonight the hot is really bad.
They should have moved the minor vitality to it after removing it from swallow soul.
Yea, there was some nonsense I heard about Devs being concerned about NBs having minor and major vitality? Why NBs having minor vitality would be OP is beyond me, one thing that’s becoming apparent with the class audit is once skills are ‘balanced’ access to buffs become really important.
The distribution of buffs amongst classes is really lopsided because NBs lost minor berserk and vitality.Edited by Iskiab on 23 August 2019 02:10Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭✭Before Scalebreaker, Swallow Soul/Funnel Health did not proc Curse Eater. I don't know about now.
Monday I'll be testing it out with some other things that worked before Scalebreaker (i.e. light attacks w/ SA, Forward Momentum).0 -
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✭Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework0 -
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I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Before Scalebreaker, Swallow Soul/Funnel Health did not proc Curse Eater. I don't know about now.
Monday I'll be testing it out with some other things that worked before Scalebreaker (i.e. light attacks w/ SA, Forward Momentum).
Did they really not?? See that's why I don't like zos and the way they word things like how is swallow soul not a direct heal. Zos is special0 -
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I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework
Are you talking about funnel health or swallow soul? I use swallow soul as my main spammable as it gets the job done and is useful for the siphoning passives. The other morph, funnel health, is total *** however.0 -
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Swallow Soul. Agreed on the other morph
I have a foot out the door (unsubscribed), but am continuing to use it when I log on from time to time. I agree it's bad against players, but against NPCs the healing ticks outperformed Rapid Regen and Healing Ward in my last test, in Scalebreaker, albeit only every 2 seconds. I use it against IC bosses, flag guards and occasionally to attack players from range, whereas most of my attacks are melee.Mrsinister2 wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »@Mrsinister2 I haven't used curse eater but it should it is a single target damage and single target heal.
Question is though, why funnel? Why not swallow soul?
I thought it would be a better heal but since it's scaling off damage and it does no damage I'm starting to think I chose wrong here
Yea, I honestly think funnel health is the worst ability in the game. You’ll get about a 3k tooltip in no-CP, then people tank up and there’s battle spirit. When I tried it as a healer it ticks for maybe 500, on a dps with pen you might get 700 if you’re lucky.
I’m not sure why it’s been left so bad in the class audit. Maybe it has uses in pve without battle spirit and full penetration, IDK, but I don’t think so.
The ability’s so bad that most people when they try to NB heal think the class sucks at it because they use it assuming it’s part of the class toolkit. Even in pve NB healing works by not using it.
The only thing good about it is if the initial hit crits all the hot ticks will crit, but really who cares on a spammable.
Yeah that morph sucks hard. It isn't even used in PvE that much. Definitely needs a rework
Are you talking about funnel health or swallow soul? I use swallow soul as my main spammable as it gets the job done and is useful for the siphoning passives. The other morph, funnel health, is total *** however.
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build0
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✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.0 -
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✭✭✭Yup, I see Siphoning Passives as a requirement but once you have your class passives everything else is usually better depending on setting/spec/etc. Like force pulse for example hits harder because of the 10% penetration passive.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
I've just switched my build around to more of a shadow cloak based spec. Similar to my old bwb days build skill wise tbh.Edited by GhostofDatthaw on 23 August 2019 14:340 -
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✭✭✭GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »I still love swallow soul, it's just a shadow of what it was though. With that said, it's still too good between the passives and the hot to pass over imo. I see some people using ele weapon or force pulse and I just don't understand, to each thier own I guess. The only reason to not use it is if youre rocking a melee build with concealed, which even then it's kinda nice to back bar, or if you have an arena staff build
Both those others hit a noticeable bit harder with their own passives. Where as SS is a heal/Ulti gen/Siphon passive usage.
When I would put cripple FB, I found much better killing power from ele weapon. But yes, you lose additional passives that bring SS up to snuff.
It helps with bar space alot now since we don't need a destro ability for the passives now. I like to back bar cripple alot so I have a siphon ability back bar, since I don't run siphon like I used to.
Yea, I have the same problem. I like debilitate but not the other Siphoning abilities. Usually I build around what slot I’m going to waste and how to work it into the build so it’s not a total loss.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0