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MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread
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ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭No point in theory crafting or even playing when the servers in pvp NA are this bad. I don't think I have ever had a worse time of it than the hour that I played tonite. Well maybe a few years ago. Hard crashed out of the game with the error report 3 times in a row. Ping said 130 but it felt like 330. Weapon swaps were abysmal. Got stuck a bunch of times with no response on any skill and could not bar swap. Mist form would not cancel on bar swap a bunch of times. Channeled acceleration with the cast time would do the sound first and then show the animation or not show the animation and just do the sound. Soul harvest is a crying shame now but that is by design. What a mess.1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Well my setup for almost 2 years has always been Amber on the body and Spinner's, balanced build with good stam sustain.. for break free and some rolling instead of cloaking...
Monster set choice has rotated on choice of skills, what I am playing or just what mood I was in... but all the fan favorites are there Skoria, Grothdarr, Troll King and lately Balorgh and Slimecraw...
So I tested Curse Eater (magicka & 2 lines of recovery, not horrible) instead of Amber... i had a set of impen in the bank (still can't remember when I got that)...strapped it on and went to spell scar with storm atros...
3 reliable ways of proccing it I found are:
- Resto Heavy Attack heal - slow
- Merciless Bow heal - situational
- Structured Entropy - easy and reliable and can be done at range
Sure I was surviving a bit better/longer, but I don't think overall it was giving me a better result.
I was listening in on Malcolm from EU server talk about all these set ideas ppl were throwing at him in stream, and I realised I was just over thinking everything with all these sets.
Dot removal is great, except there is no immunity, Curse Eater is 8s cool down, plenty of time to get dotted up again. I feel just keeping it basic with good magicka and sustain.. i can disengage, and out heal with Healing Ward (brp resto boosted) and rapid regen. With extra mag and sustain almost more reliable to run Efficient Purge than run Curse Eater.
So right now the all round build is Slime Craw/Bright Throat/Spinner's (FB)/BRP resto (BB) using Spring Loaded Infusion.
I miss the extra stam sustain from Amber, but what can you do.
I also have Balorgh/VD/Spinner's (DW Swords) with a diff set of Spinner's rings x 2 infused WD for bombing
and swap in Caluurion's and a staff instead of VD for ganking..
My biggest issue that no theory crafting can fix is latency, no point playing in Cyrodiil... I play BGs with about 270 avg ping and that is bad enough, but I get on avg 100ms added just for logging into Cyro and closer to big fights I get it just adds on more and more.
At 350-400 all I can outplay is potatoes, 1 good player with US ping will rip me a new one since everything I do has a 300ms reaction delay, let alone trying to outplay multiple people. I am so jealous watching streamers fighting with multiple people, getting CC'd and breaking free and LoSing..
I get CC'd and by the time the game registers I broke free, I been hit by 3-4 other things and getting my free trip to a respawn of my choice....
Problem I've had with trying a dot based build is honestly groups. Pnca the groups are getting much more organized and you hardly come across the total noob. People realize when they get dotted and take off to thier healer. It's hard enough to peel some of them off the main group but you need burst to take them down. You wait on dots they just back off and you have to shift targets or kite due to agro
I think the best way to use dots is just run like 2 MAYBE 3 dots and try to keep your normal burst build. Just run cripple, degeneration, and maybe clench if you want a stun or soul trap but keep your burst rotation with lotus and mercy bow
Edit, that is unless you're with a group. If you play in a group, dot it up babyEdited by GhostofDatthaw on 20 August 2019 12:171 -
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✭Ran a lot of pvp tonight. Aside from the brain dead zerglings spamming dots... Just gonna say that the new healing ward works insanely good for my hot based build. With the structured entropy heal, i dont mind the nerfs to protective.1 -
Zevrro✭✭✭✭Ran a lot of pvp tonight. Aside from the brain dead zerglings spamming dots... Just gonna say that the new healing ward works insanely good for my hot based build. With the structured entropy heal, i dont mind the nerfs to protective.
I like the healing from it but I miss the shield strength it used to have at low health. The other morph feels useless now too.@Zevrro PC-EU
CP 1200+
Azura's Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan
Magicka Nightblade
AD | Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR43 |
AD | Zevrro II | Magicka Nightblade | AR50 | 09-02-2019 |
DC | Not Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR33 |
EP | Ževrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR14 |Other PvP Characters
AD | Zevrro VII | Stamina Warden | AR33 |
AD | Zevrro XII | Magicka Warden | AR22 |
DC | Not Zevrro II | Magicka Warden | AR14 |
DC | Necrotic Zevrro | Magicka Necromancer | AR17 |
EP | Real-Skyice | Stamina Warden | AR10 |
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thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭On my more more burst style magnb I run meteor, on the dot build I'm trying I run soul harvest for defile0
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Zevrro✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.@Zevrro PC-EU
CP 1200+
Azura's Star/Sotha Sil/Bahlokdaan
Magicka Nightblade
AD | Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR43 |
AD | Zevrro II | Magicka Nightblade | AR50 | 09-02-2019 |
DC | Not Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR33 |
EP | Ževrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR14 |Other PvP Characters
AD | Zevrro VII | Stamina Warden | AR33 |
AD | Zevrro XII | Magicka Warden | AR22 |
DC | Not Zevrro II | Magicka Warden | AR14 |
DC | Necrotic Zevrro | Magicka Necromancer | AR17 |
EP | Real-Skyice | Stamina Warden | AR10 |
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.1 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
Meteor uptime is pretty solid if you use swallow soul as a spammable and with Bs. The build I use is with dark cloak and bs and meteor is up a fair amount. Granted it is not and will never be up as much as soul harvest it is kind of nice to have a big aoe you can unload in cyro0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
It was persnickety before the patch. There are a bunch of situations especially with gap closers or fast moving targets where it would not fire. It is so much worse now especially if you trained your fingers to do certain things in a certain order. Having to watch the start of the spin animation is just jarring now. I absolutely hate it.
Combine that with the crash in Cyrodiil every 10-20 mins (no addons, updated drivers, checked router, wearing my lucky shrunken head charm and spamming purge) and you have a hot mess of unfun. Really poor design choices.
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✭thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Yea I can’t wait to watch myself cancel my ulti every time I go for the kill Combo because I’m used to ani canceling it.0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Yea I can’t wait to watch myself cancel my ulti every time I go for the kill Combo because I’m used to ani canceling it.
That on top of the fact that you’ll never land it against block or dodge roll builds. I’m definitely going to have to work on not canceling it though. I literally animation cancel every ability I use. I can already see how annoying this is going to be
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliableEdited by HowlKimchi on 21 August 2019 06:192 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.0 -
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✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.
Attack their stamina. If you can't burst them by ganking them you have to cc on cooldown to deplete their stamina.
In no-CP it's 4500 stamina to break free so unsustainable unless they have 1500+ stamina regen. Clench works well against them.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.
Why though? Soul Harvest into hysteria into bow is a sure hit on the bow if the ping isn't too high. The additional 20% damage on the bow is really good. I really have no problems with magplars... Hardest to fight are magdks and stamwardens imo.1 -
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✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Spectral Bow
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...Edited by Koensol on 21 August 2019 17:301 -
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✭You can not guarantee a hit with Soul Harvest nor Merciless after fear, unless cc breaks bugs out for your enemy or he is reacting slow/out of stam. And after seeing players literally walk out of my Soul Harvest multiple times, i switched to Meteor. Not as good as it once was, but at least it always does something when i press that button. For 1vs1 SH is probably still better, because you can just keep trying until it goes off, but for outnumbered play, cast times are absolutely awful.4 -
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
Ahh someone who knows what's up. Kudos! I've done it on a lot of different people who are definitely not noobs and it lands. It's the magblade bread and butter and I question anyone who dont do it. (lol jk. kinda)
And also, definitely don't forget the light attack weaves because it deals so much additional damage, especially when running infused shock/flame enchant.Edited by HowlKimchi on 21 August 2019 17:540 -
HowlKimchi✭✭✭✭✭
✭brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Spectral Bow
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
With the cast delay on soul harvest, decent players will surely dodge the soul harvest and the bow on that rotation. I'm also not a fan of gap closers but to each their own on that topic.0 -
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Yea its not always a guaranteed hit, but most of the time it works and it is the most reliable way to secure a bow proc hit.You can not guarantee a hit with Soul Harvest nor Merciless after fear, unless cc breaks bugs out for your enemy or he is reacting slow/out of stam. And after seeing players literally walk out of my Soul Harvest multiple times, i switched to Meteor. Not as good as it once was, but at least it always does something when i press that button. For 1vs1 SH is probably still better, because you can just keep trying until it goes off, but for outnumbered play, cast times are absolutely awful.
I feel you as far as meteor goes, although I only like using it when I have bloodspawn on. Furthermore I have had it way too many times where I get stunned after casting meteor before I can get my fear off, ruining the combo. Or the person streaks out of range before I fear, etc. It's not ideal either way.Edited by Koensol on 21 August 2019 17:580 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.
Why though? Soul Harvest into hysteria into bow is a sure hit on the bow if the ping isn't too high. The additional 20% damage on the bow is really good. I really have no problems with magplars... Hardest to fight are magdks and stamwardens imo.
Typically because it saves the CC for later in the combo. Fear>SH is fine but then the bow is very unlikely to land verse anyone decent. I don’t use shadowy to land SH outright easily so it’s typical for me to have to CC before the SH, especially true for mobile targets. And if I try that vs a plar or burst heal type- they can heal thru easily at the end of the combo.
This will also be more true for next patch where SH will need the Pre-CC to land vs a mud crab.
But if I open with a bow outta no where, they typically don’t expect it because they are used to it after the normal SH>Bow proc. So that lands more often. Also since it’s not a one shot DMG, they don’t go super defensive, then Fear>SH/Spammable cleans it up.0 -
Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭In Bgs fear is broken op. You'll be able to land whatever you need to if you use fear.
Also I think to put massive damage into an opponent and then cc them and finish is the easiest/best route. Im guessing the delay is messin up lotus-tether/harvest combos. Sad reallyTerethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
A Dark-Adapted Eye, Imperial Necromancer
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
Ahh someone who knows what's up. Kudos! I've done it on a lot of different people who are definitely not noobs and it lands. It's the magblade bread and butter and I question anyone who dont do it. (lol jk. kinda)
And also, definitely don't forget the light attack weaves because it deals so much additional damage, especially when running infused shock/flame enchant.
On the old patch my combo varies depending on who I fight. When I fight lesser experienced players my combo is soul harvest, fear into bow proc because they are usually slow to cc break or they will break cc but not expect the follow up from the bow. When I fight elite level players my combo is fear into soul harvest then apply pressure with spammable weaves and attempt to sneak the bow in somewhere before the 6 second buffs wear off, Or use fear into soul harvest as my finisher.
I’ll go into detail into why I do this. The spectral bow has a minimum travel time meaning if you CC before using the bow really expierenced players will always break CC and avoid the bow proc by either dodging or blocking the bow. There is no way to reliably land a bow after a CC because of the delay of the bow proc.
What I’m worried about in the new patch is now soul harvest has a cast time meaning not only can you not land the bow after fear you can’t land soul harvest either. You basically need for your opponent to get stuck in a laggy CC break to land an ability with a cast time or a minimum travel time. That’s what has me thinking about using meteor because I can make sure it lands.2 -
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
My preferred style works though - many "decent players" can attest to that. My trick?
I don't blow my load right away...
I anticipate the dodge roll and if I can have a second of patience I get the hit and it will still be 20% empowered by SH and Lotus Fan (Minor Vulnerability).
I could post some video but I'm not here to brag, just being friendly by saying that there isn't one way to do it.Edited by brandonv516 on 21 August 2019 21:171 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭The way my burst goes, in a perfect world is, meteor>lotus>fear>bow
I like meteor more in cyro. If i was dueling oraybe even bgs, I don't run many, I would probably still use soul harvest. But they remove the aoe cap from meteor so it's really good vs groups. There has been time I have pulled more than I can chew into a bottle neck then land a meteor with a big fear.0 -
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
Ahh someone who knows what's up. Kudos! I've done it on a lot of different people who are definitely not noobs and it lands. It's the magblade bread and butter and I question anyone who dont do it. (lol jk. kinda)
And also, definitely don't forget the light attack weaves because it deals so much additional damage, especially when running infused shock/flame enchant.
On the old patch my combo varies depending on who I fight. When I fight lesser experienced players my combo is soul harvest, fear into bow proc because they are usually slow to cc break or they will break cc but not expect the follow up from the bow. When I fight elite level players my combo is fear into soul harvest then apply pressure with spammable weaves and attempt to sneak the bow in somewhere before the 6 second buffs wear off, Or use fear into soul harvest as my finisher.
I’ll go into detail into why I do this. The spectral bow has a minimum travel time meaning if you CC before using the bow really expierenced players will always break CC and avoid the bow proc by either dodging or blocking the bow. There is no way to reliably land a bow after a CC because of the delay of the bow proc.
What I’m worried about in the new patch is now soul harvest has a cast time meaning not only can you not land the bow after fear you can’t land soul harvest either. You basically need for your opponent to get stuck in a laggy CC break to land an ability with a cast time or a minimum travel time. That’s what has me thinking about using meteor because I can make sure it lands.
This is true the full on combo feels very clunky imo and the soul harvest B4 or after fear is kinda pointless to me as of now. No matter how you look at it you are only landing one of the hits. I can't tell you how many times I animation canceled my soul harvest trying to get like a last hit roll Dodge cancel or just trying to land that quick bow.0 -
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Any decent player will cc break + dodge the bow proc if you go like that. If you soulharvest into fear, and then use bow proc its almost a guaranteed hit. I always fight in melee range even with destro resto so the soulharvest isn't that obvious to see coming. Def agree with @HaruKamui on this.brandonv516 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
Soul Harvest. The cost of meteor is way too high in my opinion when nightblade has such a cheap ultimate available that gives 20% more damage and major defile. The fear combo with meteor is really nice but it takes a long time to charge up and can be hard to use properly in lag.
I use soul harvest currently on live but I’m on xbox so the new patch hasn’t dropped yet. Based on my experience with cast time abilities however they are usually not that great. So while soul harvest is cheaper with better utility, if you can never land it due to it being unreliable now meteor may be the better option because it will always land 100% of the time. While any good player will probably be able to reduce soul harvest into a useless skill. I’m curious as to how reliable soul harvest is in the new patch.
Well it's not capable of being interruthankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
My combo is different. Build stacks and then:
Cloak + Lotus Fan + Mass Hysteria + Soul Harvest + Merciless
I think I might be okay without animation cancel SH because they are CCed and I have time. Still don't like it...
My preferred style works though - many "decent players" can attest to that. My trick?
I don't blow my load right away...
I anticipate the dodge roll and if I can have a second of patience I get the hit and it will still be 20% empowered by SH and Lotus Fan (Minor Vulnerability).
I could post some video but I'm not here to brag, just being friendly by saying that there isn't one way to do it.
Yea the main issue I have with the delay is vs the burst heal types. Many a magplar has forced me to switch that combo around. But also true, there isn’t just one way to do it and succeed.0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What ultimate is everyone on PC using for magblade? I was thinking I may have to use meteor because of the cast time to soul harvest, and soul tether. It feels like meteor may be the only ultimate that you will be able to land unblocked due to fear.
IMO soul harvest is the opener because of the damage buff and defile and is cheap enough that it's okay if it's blocked sometimes. Most of the time the combo goes soul harvest -> hysteria -> spectral bow with LA weaves.
after a short adjustment period i don't think we're as affected as much because of the cast time since it's the opener. I can see dawnbreaker as a skill used within a kill combo being harder to use though on 2h builds because the dizzy swing into dawnbreaker became way less reliable
Against burst heal builds and magplar, it’s typically the end for me. Find more success using the bow as the opener vs those types otherwise they don’t tend to die. If I can Soul harvest > bow- they are typically noobs or bad.
Why though? Soul Harvest into hysteria into bow is a sure hit on the bow if the ping isn't too high. The additional 20% damage on the bow is really good. I really have no problems with magplars... Hardest to fight are magdks and stamwardens imo.
Typically because it saves the CC for later in the combo. Fear>SH is fine but then the bow is very unlikely to land verse anyone decent. I don’t use shadowy to land SH outright easily so it’s typical for me to have to CC before the SH, especially true for mobile targets. And if I try that vs a plar or burst heal type- they can heal thru easily at the end of the combo.
This will also be more true for next patch where SH will need the Pre-CC to land vs a mud crab.
But if I open with a bow outta no where, they typically don’t expect it because they are used to it after the normal SH>Bow proc. So that lands more often. Also since it’s not a one shot DMG, they don’t go super defensive, then Fear>SH/Spammable cleans it up.
I dunno, im the other way around completely... I also use the bow out of nowhere too but it's usually against those who "aren't decent" as you say. Because I wont need the full damage combo to kill them. Soul harvest first is also very useful against those "high burst healers" you keep having trouble with because your opening hit has a major defile. Their heals wont hit as hard, and if they spend their GCD purging, that's more damage (buffed by the 20% additional damage from soul harvest) they arent healing.
And I dunno if we have vastly different pings or experiences but I keep saying that hysteria into bow has a very high probability of landing and you keep saying that it won't work against anyone decent. But it does for me, consistently too... And i'm sure im not just fighting potatoes.
It's actually the other way around more so this patch because hysteria into soul harvest now has a cast time and it's very probable now that those "decent" people will be able to dodge it.
But anyway this isn't a nightblade mechanics thread so i probably wont drag this conversation out any longer. Back to the theorycrafting!!Edited by HowlKimchi on 22 August 2019 02:480