How much HPS does a single ballgroup healer do (noCP)?

InvictusApollo · April 2019

I would love all healers that roll with ball groups in noCP Cyrodill to tell me how much aoe healing per second they usually do.
Also what sets are you using?

Durham · April 2019

Please do not play that style it lags the game for everyone else on the server...

Iskiab · April 2019

Depends, CMX counts overhealing and is wildly inaccurate. If you want big numbers in CMX just be an aoe healing class like templar or warden and spam healing springs or aoe heals on the biggest cluster of people no matter who’s taking damage.

For what mine reads, somewhere between 5k and 25k depending on what’s going on.

If you want to find out who’s ‘actually’ healing the most there isn’t a way in cyrodiil. The only way to tell actual healing, and which abilities are effective or not, is by doing BGs and looking at the BG healing total.

InvictusApollo · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Depends, CMX counts overhealing and is wildly inaccurate. If you want big numbers in CMX just be an aoe healing class like templar or warden and spam healing springs or aoe heals on the biggest cluster of people no matter who’s taking damage.

For what mine reads, somewhere between 5k and 25k depending on what’s going on.

If you want to find out who’s ‘actually’ healing the most there isn’t a way in cyrodiil. The only way to tell actual healing, and which abilities are effective or not, is by doing BGs and looking at the BG healing total.

Which healing abilities are you using in a team fight in Cyro?
And what do their tooltips show.

dazee · April 2019

HPS means very little since its so dependent on how much damage people are taking. Can't heal a full health bar!

Iskiab · April 2019

I change it up depending on our composition. I’m a NB healer so am more ST focused, I usually try to fill any group gaps I see in our healing.

Usual suspects:

Cleanse - best aoe burst heal, strips 2 debuffs, and adds a 6 second buff reducing the duration of all negative effects by 50% (12k heal per cast usually). Crazy expensive so hard for non-NBs to run it - 6 player cap

Healing springs - small area, stacks so you can spam it repeatedly. Can be cast ahead so people run into it. 6 player cap
or
Rapid regen - best if you’re spread out, 28m range (not really for ball groups but can be decent in pvp). 2 player cap

Combat prayer/other morph forgot the name. Good for the buff. If you have 2 healers the other morph is better... technically, just need 1 person to use combat prayer but someone should always be running prayer. Good when people are in front of you in the area and springs might not work well. 6 player cap

Refreshing path - NB specific, if you’re a templar it’s like extended ritual but a small area. Double the HPS (ticks twice as often) but 1/8 the area.

Healthy Offering - NB’s version of breath of life

Ultimates:

Soul Siphon if you’re a NB
Barrier if you’re anyone else. Watch the range, it’s really small, but also really powerful

People don’t usually share pvp tactics too much, but I don’t mind. More info just means better pvp for all involved.

I’m not at home so can’t check tooltips. We also cater our strategy depending on who we’re fighting so I don’t know if you can say we’re a ball group, I guess we sometimes are.

Kartalin · April 2019

Refreshing path is great for giving your group major expedition, that’s what groups are incorporating since the rapids nerf. The heal is a nice bonus too and can proc Transmutation iirc. That with soul siphon healing ult and slotting purge makes a magblade or two an important component in a well built group.

IxSTALKERxI · April 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Which healing abilities are you using in a team fight in Cyro?
And what do their tooltips show.

Healing springs spam is the most consistent hps you can do in a ball group.

It's impossible to say exact numbers, I don't do no CP but it'd be something like 1200 in pvp 1800 crit in no CP. Multiply by 3 springs if the ball group is stationary. Multiplied by healer ratio per 6 players.

So, 2 healers for every 6 players would be 9000ish heals per second?

dazee wrote: »

HPS means very little since its so dependent on how much damage people are taking. Can't heal a full health bar!

This isn't correct. It is why hot stacking so so powerful. You are basically preventing incoming damage rather than reacting to it.

In the above example, 9000 damage per second per target (in cyrodiil no cp) would be required to make the groups health bars move from 100%. Which is why people complain that their fire ballista's don't do enough damage etc etc. and it appears you can't scratch them.

Thraben · April 2019

You can calculate with 4-5k hps.

However the raw numbers aren´t that important - it´s more important that the healer doesn´t get separated from the group, or that the healer uses the templar ulti reliably exactly when needed, before Permafrost or Negate render him/her useless.

A DK healer for instance would have a more reliable hps than a templar one (because s/he can´t be slowed), but lacks emergency healing.

Iskiab · April 2019

Thraben wrote: »

You can calculate with 4-5k hps.

However the raw numbers aren´t that important - it´s more important that the healer doesn´t get separated from the group, or that the healer uses the templar ulti reliably exactly when needed, before Permafrost or Negate render him/her useless.

A DK healer for instance would have a more reliable hps than a templar one (because s/he can´t be slowed), but lacks emergency healing.

You use the Templar ultimate? I don’t see people using it that often because you can’t move while channeling. Why not barrier?

manny254 · April 2019

Thraben wrote: »

A DK healer for instance would have a more reliable hps than a templar one (because s/he can´t be slowed), but lacks emergency healing.

Obsidian shard is essentially Honor the dead

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

You can calculate with 4-5k hps.

However the raw numbers aren´t that important - it´s more important that the healer doesn´t get separated from the group, or that the healer uses the templar ulti reliably exactly when needed, before Permafrost or Negate render him/her useless.

A DK healer for instance would have a more reliable hps than a templar one (because s/he can´t be slowed), but lacks emergency healing.

You use the Templar ultimate? I don’t see people using it that often because you can’t move while channeling. Why not barrier?

Barrier is pointless hits 6 people for a tiny shield for effectivly double the ultimate cost

IxSTALKERxI · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

You can calculate with 4-5k hps.

However the raw numbers aren´t that important - it´s more important that the healer doesn´t get separated from the group, or that the healer uses the templar ulti reliably exactly when needed, before Permafrost or Negate render him/her useless.

A DK healer for instance would have a more reliable hps than a templar one (because s/he can´t be slowed), but lacks emergency healing.

You use the Templar ultimate? I don’t see people using it that often because you can’t move while channeling. Why not barrier?

It also continues healing inside a negate.

Sanct16 · April 2019

Healing Springs is the best heal because it's proactive. You don't need burst heals if you can keep everyone at 100% health and you won't get bursted easily. You should aim for average 1.5k healing springs on no cp, so your hps without ult can go up to 24k.

The best healing ultimate is Soul Siphon (healing morph of Soul Tether). Really big range, really big instant heal, really big heal over time and Major Vitality while you can also cast other skills.

Barrier is alright too, but other ults are more efficient in terms of effect per cost.

idk · April 2019

HPS itself is very easy to calculate. Do the math with healing springs or the other morph. Of course you cannot take into account healing debuffs which any skilled group will use. That will vary depending on what they are actually using and how many targets they are hitting.

EHPS,m which is the only stat that really matters will vary depending on how much damage the group is taking. That can be determined on PC but you will not get the answer in these forums.

Iskiab · April 2019

idk wrote: »

HPS itself is very easy to calculate. Do the math with healing springs or the other morph. Of course you cannot take into account healing debuffs which any skilled group will use. That will vary depending on what they are actually using and how many targets they are hitting.

EHPS,m which is the only stat that really matters will vary depending on how much damage the group is taking. That can be determined on PC but you will not get the answer in these forums.

How can you calculate it on PC? I play PC and haven’t been able to figure it out.

idk · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

idk wrote: »

HPS itself is very easy to calculate. Do the math with healing springs or the other morph. Of course you cannot take into account healing debuffs which any skilled group will use. That will vary depending on what they are actually using and how many targets they are hitting.

EHPS,m which is the only stat that really matters will vary depending on how much damage the group is taking. That can be determined on PC but you will not get the answer in these forums.

How can you calculate it on PC? I play PC and haven’t been able to figure it out.

I assume you are asking how to calculate EHPS since I stated how to do HPS. Combat Metrics probably will give a player EHPS which is the real healing they did. It does not include over healing.

However, that will change per fight. It has more to do with how much damage people sustained during the fight vs how much healing the healer did.

With the healing design in ESO a healer needs to be able to over heal since they cannot control their healing. All they can do is put out AoE heals vs healing specific targets as it is needed.

InvictusApollo · April 2019

Assuming that every ball group healer just spams Healing Springs, ads some aoe hot like Healing Path, a ballgroup that has only 4 healers is constantly being healed for around 10k health every second.
This alone makes a ballgroup almost invincible.
And even if someone in the group gets focused, healers will either use aoe heal like Cleanse or Wardens heal or they will use some single target burst heal like HtD.

What do your aoe and single target burst healing abilities tooltips show?

idk · April 2019

If you only look at combat as damage out healing in then yea, it is that simple. Tactics make the difference and that is a lot more involved than looking at tooltips.

frozywozy · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Depends, CMX counts overhealing and is wildly inaccurate. If you want big numbers in CMX just be an aoe healing class like templar or warden and spam healing springs or aoe heals on the biggest cluster of people no matter who’s taking damage.

For what mine reads, somewhere between 5k and 25k depending on what’s going on.

If you want to find out who’s ‘actually’ healing the most there isn’t a way in cyrodiil. The only way to tell actual healing, and which abilities are effective or not, is by doing BGs and looking at the BG healing total.

There are different addons that let you see a top10 most healing / damage for a certain period of time.

Iskiab · April 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Depends, CMX counts overhealing and is wildly inaccurate. If you want big numbers in CMX just be an aoe healing class like templar or warden and spam healing springs or aoe heals on the biggest cluster of people no matter who’s taking damage.

For what mine reads, somewhere between 5k and 25k depending on what’s going on.

If you want to find out who’s ‘actually’ healing the most there isn’t a way in cyrodiil. The only way to tell actual healing, and which abilities are effective or not, is by doing BGs and looking at the BG healing total.

There are different addons that let you see a top10 most healing / damage for a certain period of time.

Well the reason I assumed CMX is unreliable and includes overhealing is I was researching monster sets. I was checking out different healing monster sets to try and get an idea of the output of each in battlegrounds. I noticed the BG total would be maybe 900k but CMX showed my total healing as 1.6 million. I didn't research it further and assumed there's an issue with CMX and overhealing.

I'll check out some of the addons, thanks for the tip! I'll look into CMX further too to see if I can figure out why I saw what I did.

Diundriel · April 2019

i main a templar healer in raids and can tell you that this question is not possible to answer and completely unnecessary...
stack as many heals as possible so when you get lot inc damage you have more burst if you do it right you can have like 30k heal per sec per target income second (30k tooltip, divide that by 2 cause of battle spirit and also add crits and healing taken buffs to that).
if you are kinda decent you gonna be able to play with 1k-1.1k mag regen in pvp raids

Diundriel · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Depends, CMX counts overhealing and is wildly inaccurate. If you want big numbers in CMX just be an aoe healing class like templar or warden and spam healing springs or aoe heals on the biggest cluster of people no matter who’s taking damage.

For what mine reads, somewhere between 5k and 25k depending on what’s going on.

If you want to find out who’s ‘actually’ healing the most there isn’t a way in cyrodiil. The only way to tell actual healing, and which abilities are effective or not, is by doing BGs and looking at the BG healing total.

There are different addons that let you see a top10 most healing / damage for a certain period of time.

Well the reason I assumed CMX is unreliable and includes overhealing is I was researching monster sets. I was checking out different healing monster sets to try and get an idea of the output of each in battlegrounds. I noticed the BG total would be maybe 900k but CMX showed my total healing as 1.6 million. I didn't research it further and assumed there's an issue with CMX and overhealing.

I'll check out some of the addons, thanks for the tip! I'll look into CMX further too to see if I can figure out why I saw what I did.

you maybe saw healing received in cmx?

Iskiab · April 2019

I was looking last night, tbh I don’t usually pay attention. 10k. That’s my average, sometimes less sometimes more

Maybe on the low side? Idk. I do different things then pure heal. If I did HoF and saw the other healer only doing 10k I’d feel like my back was hurting.

InvictusApollo · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I was looking last night, tbh I don’t usually pay attention. 10k. That’s my average, sometimes less sometimes more

Maybe on the low side? Idk. I do different things then pure heal. If I did HoF and saw the other healer only doing 10k I’d feel like my back was hurting.

How many healers did you have in that ballgroup?
And how many members did that ballgroup have?

Iskiab · April 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I was looking last night, tbh I don’t usually pay attention. 10k. That’s my average, sometimes less sometimes more

Maybe on the low side? Idk. I do different things then pure heal. If I did HoF and saw the other healer only doing 10k I’d feel like my back was hurting.

How many healers did you have in that ballgroup?
And how many members did that ballgroup have?

6 and 24 players I think.

InvictusApollo · April 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I was looking last night, tbh I don’t usually pay attention. 10k. That’s my average, sometimes less sometimes more

Maybe on the low side? Idk. I do different things then pure heal. If I did HoF and saw the other healer only doing 10k I’d feel like my back was hurting.

How many healers did you have in that ballgroup?
And how many members did that ballgroup have?

6 and 24 players I think.

What?! That many? Even taking into consideration the healing spring target limit, every single ball group member had around 20k healing on them! Thats insane.

Sanct16 · April 2019

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I was looking last night, tbh I don’t usually pay attention. 10k. That’s my average, sometimes less sometimes more

Maybe on the low side? Idk. I do different things then pure heal. If I did HoF and saw the other healer only doing 10k I’d feel like my back was hurting.

How many healers did you have in that ballgroup?
And how many members did that ballgroup have?

6 and 24 players I think.

What?! That many? Even taking into consideration the healing spring target limit, every single ball group member had around 20k healing on them! Thats insane.

6 Healers for a 24 man group isn't very many. It should be more like 10k her per second.

Diundriel · April 2019

for sets you can use support set+willpower+vdsa+vma restos+bogdan/earthgore
if you feel like you lack a lot of regen go with witchmothers if you feel like you are fine use 2 stat; if you feel like you Need a Tiny bit more go with 1 reg glyph and 2 stat Food.