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Argonian has been overnerfed
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Aedrion✭✭✭✭✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
Did you not understand what I wrote? I explained why they said that based on pure math and I explained why it's misrepresenting actual combat benefits.
But alright, yea, I'm crying. Whatever.SaintSubwayy wrote: »
But the argument of having infinite, or more than enough potions at hand is true for 95% of the cases
That wasn't the point I was making. The point is that it requires something to trigger instead of nothing, like all other racials.
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.Edited by Anyron on 23 January 2019 09:571 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passiveEdited by Skander on 23 January 2019 10:10I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are fullI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbhI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbh
I play argonians as every role because i want to use argonians
Its your fashion to every two months change your race but not mine. I just want my race to be competetive with others. Why should 99% Magicka characters run altmers and 99% Stamina as redguards?
You think this is right?
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Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbh
I play argonians as every role because i want to use argonians
Its your fashion to every two months change your race but not mine. I just want my race to be competetive with others. Why should 99% Magicka characters run altmers and 99% Stamina as redguards?
You think this is right?
I think that even bretons can't play the dps role becouse they are worse at it. It's game balance. You can play whatever, you aren't entitled to be good at everything.Edited by Skander on 23 January 2019 10:26I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbh
I play argonians as every role because i want to use argonians
Its your fashion to every two months change your race but not mine. I just want my race to be competetive with others. Why should 99% Magicka characters run altmers and 99% Stamina as redguards?
You think this is right?
I think that even bretons can't play the dps role becouse they are worse at it. It's game balance. You can play whatever, you aren't entitled to be good at everything.
Bretons are worse dds? Do you even know what max magicka can do with spell? Clearly race with +2k max magicka is better dps than race with +1k max magicka
Bretons have lesser cost of spells. If you use math, you can see skill, that cost 2k magicka (force pulse for example) is spammed in 1skill/1s which is normal cost 140 magicka less which is equal 280 magicka regenEdited by Anyron on 23 January 2019 10:330 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have an Argonian (and not 5 or 7 like others, I wonder where that might have come from
) but I have no horse in this race. Useless is a strong word. And it’s unwarranted. The min max crowd would complain about every change because there can only be one best race. It’s simple mathematics.
For the rest of the players the changes won’t make a big impact. Argonians will still be good Tanks, good Healers, and good in PvP.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbh
I play argonians as every role because i want to use argonians
Its your fashion to every two months change your race but not mine. I just want my race to be competetive with others. Why should 99% Magicka characters run altmers and 99% Stamina as redguards?
You think this is right?
I think that even bretons can't play the dps role becouse they are worse at it. It's game balance. You can play whatever, you aren't entitled to be good at everything.
Bretons are worse dds? Do you even know what max magicka can do with spell? Clearly race with +2k max magicka is better dps than race with +1k max magicka
Bretons have lesser cost of spells. If you use math, you can see skill, that cost 2k magicka (force pulse for example) is spammed in 1skill/1s which is normal cost 140 magicka less which is equal 280 magicka regen
At the moment compared to argonians bretons suck
Next patch they are more similarI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Goddamit
It was literally said by the devs that argonian had 2 times the racials of other races and now you are crying becouse they got rebalanced
They literally got more max mag and max health which is a huge boon
Get over yourselves. Argonian is still strong in pvp and one of the best pve tanks
Thats "2times stronger racials" is nonsense. If you count there (when drinking potion while magicka is low and two other are full) 2/3 of resourceful is wasted and this is often case when you drink potion on something else than on tanks. That means, with 3600 recovery over 45 you have much less than altmer or redguard for example
Sure argonians are OP, but only as tanks and ONLY with Potion Cooldown enchants which requires special build.They are fine healers ( after altmers and bretons now) and underpowered dds
Numbers on paper and numbers ingame are different.
in pvp and tanking, none of the resources are wasted. The boon is the BURST of resources on command
Not even saying that you could get other types of potions AND getting the resource feedback.
4% more healing it's ok. 10% like was before was scuffed. You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag.
You could heal like a breton or altmer with 10% max mag
and? Why is this bad.?Do i have altmers damage??
point was to make argonians as healers by devs
it's bad becouse you also get a 3% max magicka and a scuffed 9% max health
On top of disease resistence
And yes, you have more damage then altmers and bretons which set for regen.. Becouse you can run full dmg set with little consideretion of recovery since pot passive
Yeah and they had 9% mag recovery 10% max magicka, +elemental damage
Now they have 2k more magicka 250 more spell damage and 5700 magicka over minute (4600 over 45s)
You really think 1k magicka, 1k health 4% healing done and 3600 magicka over 45s is better?
Now altmers have much more healing, damage and resources than argonian could only dream of!
You are supposing you alway hit your target every 5 seconds in a minute.
And yes. that's 3600 health mag and stam please.
And if you have health and stamina full? Where it goes?
You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Next time when i play pve i can send you screenshot how its possible to have 20% Magicka and health +stam full
Dont play dumb you had to see that too
If you play argonian as dps in pve you are the one playing dumb tbh
I play argonians as every role because i want to use argonians
Its your fashion to every two months change your race but not mine. I just want my race to be competetive with others. Why should 99% Magicka characters run altmers and 99% Stamina as redguards?
You think this is right?
I think that even bretons can't play the dps role becouse they are worse at it. It's game balance. You can play whatever, you aren't entitled to be good at everything.
Bretons are worse dds? Do you even know what max magicka can do with spell? Clearly race with +2k max magicka is better dps than race with +1k max magicka
Bretons have lesser cost of spells. If you use math, you can see skill, that cost 2k magicka (force pulse for example) is spammed in 1skill/1s which is normal cost 140 magicka less which is equal 280 magicka regen
At the moment compared to argonians bretons suck
Next patch they are more similar
More similar in way more op in damage and resources with altmers.
I can't post images here but you can see on pts, there is damage test of altmers, bretons, dunmers and argonians
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munster1404✭✭✭✭It's an average 2K loss in HP for most Argonian tanks which also affects damage shields that scale off health. To recover that HP, you either have to divert points from magicka (That diminishes the 1K magicka bonus) or swap mundus stone to Lord which is probably what I have to do. Consequently it affects magicka regen since I was running with Atronach previously.
1K loss from the potion passive was what I expected. But do not underestimate that nerf. It is equivalent to 2 blocks, maybe sufficient resources to cast a heal, anything to help with survivability.
Was it over nerfed for players consistently suffering from poor sustain? I can tell you it is. But according to the people who have an vendetta against Lizards, the nerf was well deserved.Edited by munster1404 on 23 January 2019 13:341 -
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You don't use the potion. You max magicka won't be under 80% eaither if those are full
Blatantly false. You're twisting reality to prove your point.
There's plenty of scenario's where you're in dire need of stamina or magicka while your health and the other resource is full. In PvP perhaps less so for some classes but in PvE it happens most of the time that your HP is full due to having a healer, your non-highest pool is near-full but your main resource is drained.
That's when you use a potion to boost those back up and gain the +20% regen bonus so you can keep going.
Those other resources that are calculated into Resourceful are at that point entirely gone. Again proving my point that it's seen as the Holy Grail of passives but in practice, it's not strong enough to warrant these sweeping nerfs.
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WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭The changes are fine, they are still very powerfull in PVP. It feel like they have been hit harder because they are as they where to far on top of what they brought as race. The higher the climb the harder the fall. The race is fine. I all I think the racial changes are very considirate on most parts I say job well done to Zenimax.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
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✭Now it's more balanced, even dev team recognize that argonians needed a nerf due to incredible sustain. i'm happy that Nord became one of tank meta race 8and i dont have one).
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✭✭✭✭I do think changing the heal passive from 5% to healing done and healing recieved to 4% done is somewhat heavy handed.
I would have liked to see EITHER the nerf to the potency (4%, down from 5%) OR the removal of healing received, not both, at least as a first iteration--but it's hard to feel too bad, they still have fantastic passives.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
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It was more than a little overtuned and overperforming more than slightly. Anyone actually playing one is quite aware of this.Hello forum dwellers
With the recent patchnotes up, I noticed that argonian has gone from overperforming slightly to being somewhere at the bottom of the barrel. In this thread, I'd like to indicate why the changes to argonians have been too heavy-handed, hoping perhaps to catch the eye of ZoS or a class rep and have them take something from it.
First of all, I will not deny that argonian was a little overtuned. Having both good sustain through potions, a chunk of health, immunity to poison and diseased, extra magicka and a very powerful healing trait, the race was a go-to for too many specs.
Your counterargument is that you don't get bonus resources when you don't need bonus resources? Seriously? It's a free tri-stat with any potion, still. Any potion. Granted, it's a lesser value one, but it's also a zero cost one.
1. You will not always get the full 4620 stats when you use your potion. Sometimes, you'll be in dire need of stamina but not in need of magicka, or the opposite, or you'll need a quick burst of health to get you out of execution range but your resources are doing okay. This is especially prevalent in PvE where you might only need one type or resource and the health and other resource are completely useless. Even in PvP, you might need to be quickly able to dodge or use a skill and pop a potion for the resources, wasting the other stats. The only situation in which you get that flawless 205 regen is when you use your potion at just the right time, when everything is low. This is the minority of cases because all of the stats are delivered in one burst.It's like the local gas station offering to fill up your tank at no cost. You're arguing that one person gets 2 free gallons while another gets 10, yet both end up with a full tank of gas...
It's still effective regen. It doesn't matter that it's not boosted by % stats like actual regen. It's also not halted in certain circumstances like actual regen. (poisons, blocking, mystform) Comparing it further to a cast time skill that pulls from a different resource is equally faulty comparison. One has cost (GCD, alt resource), the other is a byproduct of what you'd likely do anyway. If anything, it gives you an 4th effect option for any potion, if you choose to use it that way.3. Even if you calculate it as a regeneration boost, it's not actually regeneration. There's a huge difference between regeneration and a buff that restores a stat. Regeneration can be boosted by gear, by skills, by potions, flat bonuses like this cannot. A regen value of 175 stamina regen is stronger than 205 flat bonus. Compare to dark deal, that buff gives you 220 stamina or magicka every 2 seconds but cannot be increased by medium or light armour, potions or skills. Thus to compare these flat values to actual regeneration is incorrect.
Again, you're complaining that you don't get full equivalent regen benefits at moments you don't need those regen benefits. (I can cast Dark Deal when I'm full and effectively get nothing from it. This example is just as irrelevant.)
Bonus stat return from other races during times when the stat is full equally get 'lost.'
Potion use is always about choice, timing, and desired benefit. The fact you don't get one aspect of a potion when you're actually going for another effect is not somehow exclusive to Argonians. What is exclusive to Argonians is the opportunity to always get a potentially free tri-stat in the process.3. Potions aren't always used for resources. Potions are versatile and serve a ton of purposes. They can give you a buff your class doesn't have, they can plug a hole in your build, they can permit you to see NB's, or enter stealth yourself, or grant a speed bonus. In these uses of potions, you'll want to use them when you need the effects, not when you need the stats. If a NB enters stealth while you're at high magicka and HP, using a potion to reveal him wastes the stats. If you need brutality, sorcery or another buff, you'll want to have that effect active asap, before you need healing and resources. You will probably even wish to enter a fight with immovable in some cases, literally giving you nothing for this racial. The purpose of many potions doesn't click with optimising the stat gain.
The consumable requirement would be notable if it wasn't one you would be using anyway. Again, it's a bonus for using something you already were going to use or an additional method of using it. If it required a consumable that was out of the norm, you might have something. As has been pointed out, it works just as well on trash pots as it does the most expensive crafted ones.4. Two minor reasons rolled into one. Firstly, it requires a consumable. No other racial does, this passive is strong because it demands a player uses a finite supply of potions. That's a little more investment required that many other racials. Secondly, Jewellery glyphs make this trait sound absurdly strong but not everybody uses alchemy glyphs. They also leave most builds with strong regen but it hobbles damage output in most cases and makes you devour potion supplies like an addict.
Combine all four of these and you can see that there's a difference between Resourceful on paper and in practise.
Now, I'm not asking them to reverse the changes to this trait specifically. It was a little too much and I'm fine with what it is now. But the skill isn't so strong that all other traits deserve to be so minor. Quick to Mend lost over 50% of its potency, poison immunity is gone and 9% HP was turned into +1000 health, with doesn't compare to other similar traits' changes.
Previously, there was a boost to outgoing and incoming healing. No other class got to double dip that way.
DPS tests have already been done showing the spread is not as large as anticipated. Argonians will still make strong tanks and strong healers, as well.Perhaps the resource gain from resourceful could spread out over time? Perhaps some other traits could be buffed a little bit to make to align a little more with previous values. Such +4% healing and and 3% healing taken? Or 1500 HP instead of 1000?
All I wish to ask is that the other racials aren't so heavily nerfed because of resourceful's deceptively strong numbers. Thus, I hope the team looks at feedback, not just this feedback, and takes another look at argonians before this change goes live.
Sidenote: I am aware other races have also been tweaked in strange ways but I wanted to address this nerf primarily since the nerfhammer came down very hard here.
Cheers and have a good one!
Aedrion
They've needed to be brought down a notch for quite some time. They'll be far from unplayable.
Just because they're not as strong as they were does not automatically qualify them as weak.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
It was more than a little overtuned and overperforming more than slightly. Anyone actually playing one is quite aware of this.Hello forum dwellers
With the recent patchnotes up, I noticed that argonian has gone from overperforming slightly to being somewhere at the bottom of the barrel. In this thread, I'd like to indicate why the changes to argonians have been too heavy-handed, hoping perhaps to catch the eye of ZoS or a class rep and have them take something from it.
First of all, I will not deny that argonian was a little overtuned. Having both good sustain through potions, a chunk of health, immunity to poison and diseased, extra magicka and a very powerful healing trait, the race was a go-to for too many specs.
Your counterargument is that you don't get bonus resources when you don't need bonus resources? Seriously? It's a free tri-stat with any potion, still. Any potion. Granted, it's a lesser value one, but it's also a zero cost one.
1. You will not always get the full 4620 stats when you use your potion. Sometimes, you'll be in dire need of stamina but not in need of magicka, or the opposite, or you'll need a quick burst of health to get you out of execution range but your resources are doing okay. This is especially prevalent in PvE where you might only need one type or resource and the health and other resource are completely useless. Even in PvP, you might need to be quickly able to dodge or use a skill and pop a potion for the resources, wasting the other stats. The only situation in which you get that flawless 205 regen is when you use your potion at just the right time, when everything is low. This is the minority of cases because all of the stats are delivered in one burst.It's like the local gas station offering to fill up your tank at no cost. You're arguing that one person gets 2 free gallons while another gets 10, yet both end up with a full tank of gas...
It's still effective regen. It doesn't matter that it's not boosted by % stats like actual regen. It's also not halted in certain circumstances like actual regen. (poisons, blocking, mystform) Comparing it further to a cast time skill that pulls from a different resource is equally faulty comparison. One has cost (GCD, alt resource), the other is a byproduct of what you'd likely do anyway. If anything, it gives you an 4th effect option for any potion, if you choose to use it that way.3. Even if you calculate it as a regeneration boost, it's not actually regeneration. There's a huge difference between regeneration and a buff that restores a stat. Regeneration can be boosted by gear, by skills, by potions, flat bonuses like this cannot. A regen value of 175 stamina regen is stronger than 205 flat bonus. Compare to dark deal, that buff gives you 220 stamina or magicka every 2 seconds but cannot be increased by medium or light armour, potions or skills. Thus to compare these flat values to actual regeneration is incorrect.
Again, you're complaining that you don't get full equivalent regen benefits at moments you don't need those regen benefits. (I can cast Dark Deal when I'm full and effectively get nothing from it. This example is just as irrelevant.)
Bonus stat return from other races during times when the stat is full equally get 'lost.'
Potion use is always about choice, timing, and desired benefit. The fact you don't get one aspect of a potion when you're actually going for another effect is not somehow exclusive to Argonians. What is exclusive to Argonians is the opportunity to always get a potentially free tri-stat in the process.3. Potions aren't always used for resources. Potions are versatile and serve a ton of purposes. They can give you a buff your class doesn't have, they can plug a hole in your build, they can permit you to see NB's, or enter stealth yourself, or grant a speed bonus. In these uses of potions, you'll want to use them when you need the effects, not when you need the stats. If a NB enters stealth while you're at high magicka and HP, using a potion to reveal him wastes the stats. If you need brutality, sorcery or another buff, you'll want to have that effect active asap, before you need healing and resources. You will probably even wish to enter a fight with immovable in some cases, literally giving you nothing for this racial. The purpose of many potions doesn't click with optimising the stat gain.
The consumable requirement would be notable if it wasn't one you would be using anyway. Again, it's a bonus for using something you already were going to use or an additional method of using it. If it required a consumable that was out of the norm, you might have something. As has been pointed out, it works just as well on trash pots as it does the most expensive crafted ones.4. Two minor reasons rolled into one. Firstly, it requires a consumable. No other racial does, this passive is strong because it demands a player uses a finite supply of potions. That's a little more investment required that many other racials. Secondly, Jewellery glyphs make this trait sound absurdly strong but not everybody uses alchemy glyphs. They also leave most builds with strong regen but it hobbles damage output in most cases and makes you devour potion supplies like an addict.
Combine all four of these and you can see that there's a difference between Resourceful on paper and in practise.
Now, I'm not asking them to reverse the changes to this trait specifically. It was a little too much and I'm fine with what it is now. But the skill isn't so strong that all other traits deserve to be so minor. Quick to Mend lost over 50% of its potency, poison immunity is gone and 9% HP was turned into +1000 health, with doesn't compare to other similar traits' changes.
Previously, there was a boost to outgoing and incoming healing. No other class got to double dip that way.
DPS tests have already been done showing the spread is not as large as anticipated. Argonians will still make strong tanks and strong healers, as well.Perhaps the resource gain from resourceful could spread out over time? Perhaps some other traits could be buffed a little bit to make to align a little more with previous values. Such +4% healing and and 3% healing taken? Or 1500 HP instead of 1000?
All I wish to ask is that the other racials aren't so heavily nerfed because of resourceful's deceptively strong numbers. Thus, I hope the team looks at feedback, not just this feedback, and takes another look at argonians before this change goes live.
Sidenote: I am aware other races have also been tweaked in strange ways but I wanted to address this nerf primarily since the nerfhammer came down very hard here.
Cheers and have a good one!
Aedrion
They've needed to be brought down a notch for quite some time. They'll be far from unplayable.
Just because they're not as strong as they were does not automatically qualify them as weak.
ZOSrep : "Whats point of taking one race for healing and one for other? Choose altmer and play with strongest race,now even further buffed by our dev team! #altmerEdited by Anyron on 23 January 2019 15:060 -
CrazyWolf712✭✭✭I honestly think that the potion passive will be fine. It only gives 1000 less, which sure is still disappointing, but at least they didn’t remove it completely. I usually use tri stat potions to make it stronger anyways, coupled with the fact that I’m a dragon knight, I restore all my resources when I use an ultimate. But as an Argonian tank, I’m more worried about my 6% reduced healing and reduced health.GT - CrazyWolf712
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It's funny how no one cared Argonian had these supposed 2x better racials when 1 Tamriel rolled out and only started complaining after Morrowind nerfed Sustain CP to the ground.Argonian forever2
