The end of the 3 banners war

Dreyloch · January 2019

No one in this thread has mentioned the "Dragon" aspect we suspect is coming this year. What if the "forth faction" IS the dragons. Flying in randomly to burn down keeps and resources. Something all factions will have to deal with, especially if there's a fight already in progress?

Kill the invading dragon, go back to killing each other....

My only other thought is no more factions, just basically GvG as faction ties will no longer stop us from grouping up. Just like One Tam with the dungeons.

antihero727 · January 2019

Dreyloch wrote: »

No one in this thread has mentioned the "Dragon" aspect we suspect is coming this year. What if the "forth faction" IS the dragons. Flying in randomly to burn down keeps and resources. Something all factions will have to deal with, especially if there's a fight already in progress?

Kill the invading dragon, go back to killing each other....

Watch it’s going to be a flightless dragon apex mount gotten only through crown crates. In the history of ZOS that seems more logical of an outcome.

TBois · January 2019

Dreyloch wrote: »

No one in this thread has mentioned the "Dragon" aspect we suspect is coming this year. What if the "forth faction" IS the dragons. Flying in randomly to burn down keeps and resources. Something all factions will have to deal with, especially if there's a fight already in progress?

Kill the invading dragon, go back to killing each other....

My only other thought is no more factions, just basically GvG as faction ties will no longer stop us from grouping up. Just like One Tam with the dungeons.

I would love a GvG system like BDO. They would have to rework the transitus system, but it would be a lot of fun. It would also be more difficult to zerg. Another issue would be unguilded people and people in multiple pvp guilds.

Kartalin · January 2019

Dreyloch wrote: »

My only other thought is no more factions, just basically GvG as faction ties will no longer stop us from grouping up. Just like One Tam with the dungeons.

This was one of the thoughts I had as well. Cyrodiil will be a pve zone or if we keep open world then each group is on their own versus all other groups. Pugs will be able to queue in and join other pugs in group, solo players can roam freely if they like. No more emp mechanic?

Ranger209 · January 2019

A new player race the Daedra team up with all necromancers, vampires, and werewolves as the army of Molag Bal pours out of Imperial City to take the whole of Cyrodiil....

CyrusArya · January 2019

Speculation of ending AvA and Cyrodiil pvp is just hilarious. Yeah, I’m sure after hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in sunk costs, they are just gonna scrap it all...

Most likely it’s just gonna be a PvE storyline thing. But I will say, I would love to see something like roaming world bosses in Cyrodiil as someone mentioned in this thread. Think IC sewers sweepers on steroids. Something that would take multiple guilds and dozens of players to take down, a threat which players could unite to fight or exploit for personal gain. Would add some cool dynamics to PvP.

Minno · January 2019

CyrusArya wrote: »

Speculation of ending AvA and Cyrodiil pvp is just hilarious. Yeah, I’m sure after hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in sunk costs, they are just gonna scrap it all...

Most likely it’s just gonna be a PvE storyline thing. But I will say, I would love to see something like roaming world bosses in Cyrodiil as someone mentioned in this thread. Think IC sewers sweepers on steroids. Something that would take multiple guilds and dozens of players to take down, a threat which players could unite to fight or exploit for personal gain. Would add some cool dynamics to PvP.

I say that to troll everyone but there are some that legit believe cyro will turn pve only lol.

I do have a funny feeling the bridges to IC will be connected soon. Maybe connected/separate IC?

Vapirko · January 2019

Minno wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Speculation of ending AvA and Cyrodiil pvp is just hilarious. Yeah, I’m sure after hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in sunk costs, they are just gonna scrap it all...

Most likely it’s just gonna be a PvE storyline thing. But I will say, I would love to see something like roaming world bosses in Cyrodiil as someone mentioned in this thread. Think IC sewers sweepers on steroids. Something that would take multiple guilds and dozens of players to take down, a threat which players could unite to fight or exploit for personal gain. Would add some cool dynamics to PvP.

I say that to troll everyone but there are some that legit believe cyro will turn pve only lol.

I do have a funny feeling the bridges to IC will be connected soon. Maybe connected/separate IC?

A lot of people have been asking for it/it’s a huge pain point for ZOS and it makes them very little money and probably costs them a fair bit to keep it going. It’s not that far fetched that they might just cut their losses and relegate PvP to BGs and maybe an arena in the future?

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2019

Simply put, what needs to happen is:

1. End the 3 Banners War. No More Alliances, No more fighting over keeps or objectives.
2. Each Keep is controlled by imperials and are daily quest hubs with good rewards.
3. No more factions or friendly that are not in your group.
4. Group size limited to 4 (since were not taking keeps or objectives anymore no reason to have a zerg)
5. All the delves in Cyrodiil become instanced 4 man dungeons much like Undaunted dungeons. However, each dungeon supports up to two groups and each group will fight each other and the bosses and trash of the dungeon, those who win get rewards, these could be qued into by the group finder.
6. update the town quests in cyrodiil to give better rewards.
7. No more Emp.

Cyrodiil now becomes an open world PVP zone where the entire map is used instead of everyone zerging around the emp keeps, and your only allies are the ones in your 4 man group and you cna't heal anyone outside your group. This ends ball groups for good period.

Cyrodiil no longer lags and can support twice as many people as it can now. It will go back to how it was in 1.1 and 1.2 where pvp happened in the towns and quest hubs all the time, people will no longer have to be afraid of going out on their own and being paintrained and zerged down by 20 people which is the reason folks zerg in the 1st place.

Nightblades ridiculous front loaded burst would have to be addressed though in this change as they are simply too strong in this type of environment.

I miss the early days of the game where folks just didn't zerg the ring keeps, what we got now in Cyrodiil is old and stale...Ball groups have had their 5 years, give us an actual open world Cyrodiil pvp that doesn't revolve around groups larger than 4...fighting over the right to turn in a quest that awards 1000 gold, 33,000 xp, and a loot box with a change of a high quality item that will sell for good money or be used and these rewards updated regulary is far better to fight over than keeps and AP

just my 2 cents

Minno · January 2019

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Simply put, what needs to happen is:

1. End the 3 Banners War. No More Alliances, No more fighting over keeps or objectives.
2. Each Keep is controlled by imperials and are daily quest hubs with good rewards.
3. No more factions or friendly that are not in your group.
4. Group size limited to 4 (since were not taking keeps or objectives anymore no reason to have a zerg)
5. All the delves in Cyrodiil become instanced 4 man dungeons much like Undaunted dungeons. However, each dungeon supports up to two groups and each group will fight each other and the bosses and trash of the dungeon, those who win get rewards, these could be qued into by the group finder.
6. update the town quests in cyrodiil to give better rewards.
7. No more Emp.

Cyrodiil now becomes an open world PVP zone where the entire map is used instead of everyone zerging around the emp keeps, and your only allies are the ones in your 4 man group and you cna't heal anyone outside your group. This ends ball groups for good period.

Cyrodiil no longer lags and can support twice as many people as it can now. It will go back to how it was in 1.1 and 1.2 where pvp happened in the towns and quest hubs all the time, people will no longer have to be afraid of going out on their own and being paintrained and zerged down by 20 people which is the reason folks zerg in the 1st place.

Nightblades ridiculous front loaded burst would have to be addressed though in this change as they are simply too strong in this type of environment.

I miss the early days of the game where folks just didn't zerg the ring keeps, what we got now in Cyrodiil is old and stale...Ball groups have had their 5 years, give us an actual open world Cyrodiil pvp that doesn't revolve around groups larger than 4...fighting over the right to turn in a quest that awards 1000 gold, 33,000 xp, and a loot box with a change of a high quality item that will sell for good money or be used and these rewards updated regulary is far better to fight over than keeps and AP

just my 2 cents

Amazing!

Irylia · January 2019

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Simply put, what needs to happen is:

1. End the 3 Banners War. No More Alliances, No more fighting over keeps or objectives.
2. Each Keep is controlled by imperials and are daily quest hubs with good rewards.
3. No more factions or friendly that are not in your group.
4. Group size limited to 4 (since were not taking keeps or objectives anymore no reason to have a zerg)
5. All the delves in Cyrodiil become instanced 4 man dungeons much like Undaunted dungeons. However, each dungeon supports up to two groups and each group will fight each other and the bosses and trash of the dungeon, those who win get rewards, these could be qued into by the group finder.
6. update the town quests in cyrodiil to give better rewards.
7. No more Emp.

Cyrodiil now becomes an open world PVP zone where the entire map is used instead of everyone zerging around the emp keeps, and your only allies are the ones in your 4 man group and you cna't heal anyone outside your group. This ends ball groups for good period.

Cyrodiil no longer lags and can support twice as many people as it can now. It will go back to how it was in 1.1 and 1.2 where pvp happened in the towns and quest hubs all the time, people will no longer have to be afraid of going out on their own and being paintrained and zerged down by 20 people which is the reason folks zerg in the 1st place.

Nightblades ridiculous front loaded burst would have to be addressed though in this change as they are simply too strong in this type of environment.

I miss the early days of the game where folks just didn't zerg the ring keeps, what we got now in Cyrodiil is old and stale...Ball groups have had their 5 years, give us an actual open world Cyrodiil pvp that doesn't revolve around groups larger than 4...fighting over the right to turn in a quest that awards 1000 gold, 33,000 xp, and a loot box with a change of a high quality item that will sell for good money or be used and these rewards updated regulary is far better to fight over than keeps and AP

just my 2 cents

It would actually give people reasons to venture to every corner of cyro. Either due to delves (which show when they are available for looting by lighting green on the map. Yellow for contested. Red for on cd.)
Quests from towns to escort a caravan or diplomat from a to b and repel other groups. Earn x ap and loot for being successful.
Maybe more open world towns like cheydinhal as opposed to actual keeps like brk.

Perhaps you could have 3-5 randomly spawning flags on the map which attract players to “king of the hill” and earn ap as long as they can control the flag with their group.

Dolmens spawn every 30 min and can be contested for loot by last hitting the boss.

Countless things they could incorporate which would generate fights in various locations while also enabling more players and skirmishes around the map.

frozywozy · January 2019

@RinaldoGandolphi it sounds great except i believe it would be sad to have to pick between guild members and friends you have been playing with for the past 5years. You could say that nothing stop you from playing with different ones every gaming session but usually it's not how it goes. People tend to stick with the same group once it goes well and they have fun.

As a result, some of them could feel excluded and it could lead to ruining long term relationships. I understand that some people are fine with keeping a very restricted friendlist and people they play with. Some others enjoy grouping with 10-16players. I don't believe this vision of Cyrodiil could work for this specific reason.

Ahtu · January 2019

It looks like Bethesda is making an announcement about this today on their Twitch stream.

Minno · January 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

@RinaldoGandolphi it sounds great except i believe it would be sad to have to pick between guild members and friends you have been playing with for the past 5years. You could say that nothing stop you from playing with different ones every gaming session but usually it's not how it goes. People tend to stick with the same group once it goes well and they have fun.

As a result, some of them could feel excluded and it could lead to ruining long term relationships. I understand that some people are fine with keeping a very restricted friendlist and people they play with. Some others enjoy grouping with 10-16players. I don't believe this vision of Cyrodiil could work for this specific reason.

Normally I would have the same feedback, but don't underestimate the power of PVE/trade/large pvp casual guilds. Also most players mute the zone generals and only join casual groups because they cant solo the huge numbers while having no incentive when the map is in between primetimes.

As Irylia said, the potential is in the map showing players where to go that is related to the content not players/keeps. If I love towns, I can fight near towns and get my reward. If I want to fight for bosses, we can fight for bosses.

Then the group/players sizes become removed from the map entirely. What I mean but this, is that in current Cyro, if you don't have a speedy build or fellow players in a group, going to a keep battle/EMP ring lane can be frustrating because a faction already exists there. Then battles become one-dimensional leading to feedback that says "zergs suck" or "AD/EP are double teaming us!".

It's no ones fault the map is SOO big but nothing inside it to do anything but fight on the scroll keeps/EMP lanes. Even towns; only used to attack the nearest keep and then port back to the EMP lane.

BTW, a combination of @RinaldoGandolphi ideas and @Irylia ideas would make a very attractive cyro. Basically a better version of IC. And I can get behind that!