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Can we get rid of the addon error dialogs?
Ulfson
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OK, so addons sometimes have problems indexing null values...
Here is my point. One, the information the dialog provides is useless to the users and often of little help to the addon programmer.
Two, the addon often works just fine except for the error dialog that is in your face.
NONE of the players I know care about the error but do care that the dialog can pop up in a boss fight and initiate a wipe.
Am I alone in thinking that these error dialogs are 99.99% useless and harmful?
Happy Trails
Here is my point. One, the information the dialog provides is useless to the users and often of little help to the addon programmer.
Two, the addon often works just fine except for the error dialog that is in your face.
NONE of the players I know care about the error but do care that the dialog can pop up in a boss fight and initiate a wipe.
Am I alone in thinking that these error dialogs are 99.99% useless and harmful?
Happy Trails
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manavortex✭✭✭✭There's an AddOn for that.Stop Zanil Theran's sinister plot to exterminate bank space! Give ESO+ subscribers a virtual Furniture Bag!0 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭The error dialog is anything but useless to Addon developers, and many of us will request the stack trace because 9/10 times it points us to the exact line of code that generates the error. We can then backtrace the possible sources.
Given the inherent dynamic data typing, nil values are massively important to the consistency of the language. Generally the error pops up when a call to the game's API returns a nil value where the developer is not expecting, and it's not really practical to just check for nil before every single function call and table access. 99% of the null references will be found by the developer during rudimentary testing, but there's always that time in that specific dungeon/region/town/trial/cyrodiil/etc where the game does something we didn't expect.PC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
Lilith Arujo - DC sorc tank/dps/healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Grand Warlord
Lilith Tortorici - DC templar trials healer
Notable Completions:
vAS (72k), vMoL HM (160k), vAA HM (135k), vHRC HM, vSO HM (141k), vHoF HM (168k), vCR+3(129k), vDSA 45k, vMA 591k
Original Addons:
Lilith's Group Manager
Lilith's Lazy Hacks - Auto Recharge/Repair
Bot Scanner 2000
Lilith's Command History
Maintained Addons:
Kill Counter4 -
Drummerx04✭✭✭✭✭
✭Although, it would be nice if the error window popup was simply attached to the notifications or something by default, lolPC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
Lilith Arujo - DC sorc tank/dps/healer - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer, Gryphon Heart, Grand Warlord
Lilith Tortorici - DC templar trials healer
Notable Completions:
vAS (72k), vMoL HM (160k), vAA HM (135k), vHRC HM, vSO HM (141k), vHoF HM (168k), vCR+3(129k), vDSA 45k, vMA 591k
Original Addons:
Lilith's Group Manager
Lilith's Lazy Hacks - Auto Recharge/Repair
Bot Scanner 2000
Lilith's Command History
Maintained Addons:
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Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭as linked in an earlier post: No Thank You (continued) does that, along with several other things the devs wanted to annoy you with
Edited by Gythral on 15 September 2018 18:39“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Eeehhh... BugCatcher is a much better option for this than No Thank You.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1083.html
Suppresses error messages, makes them available for review if you do want to look at them later on, and it does the job reliably with no extra frills or unexpected features. In particular, NTY suppresses a lot of other things that I do care about.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
Solinur✭✭✭Whenever you encounter those, please report them to the addon authors in question. It would help a lot, thx.@Solinur Pact EU - PC (Solinur: Templar - Magicka DD, Moves-like-Günther: Sorcerer - Stamina DD, Kinara Sol: Templar - Stamina DD, )
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Dolgubon✭✭✭✭Eeehhh... BugCatcher is a much better option for this than No Thank You.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1083.html
Suppresses error messages, makes them available for review if you do want to look at them later on, and it does the job reliably with no extra frills or unexpected features. In particular, NTY suppresses a lot of other things that I do care about.
NTY is a highly customizable add-on. If you don't like it suppressing something, then re enable it in the addon settings. Yes, it has a lot of features you might not need, but most add-ons will have some frills you don't needRelthion: CP810 DK Tank - vMOL HM, vHOF HM, vAS HM, vCR +2
Malorson: CP810 Mag Sorc - vMOL HM, vHOF, vAS HM
Addons:
Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter
Dolgubon's Lazy Set Crafter0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »The error dialog is anything but useless to Addon developers, and many of us will request the stack trace because 9/10 times it points us to the exact line of code that generates the error. We can then backtrace the possible sources.
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Ulfson✭✭✭Having the in-your-face error dialog is wasteful and silly.
The error could be directed to an error log file and the dialog could be ignored completely without loosing any of the precious error information. That is where I put my error/debug data. That idea was around before I started to program computers in 1972. It seems to be forgotten now.
Remember: Many times the error dialog appears for the "attempt to index a nil value" error and then the code works just fine and there are no further errors. Was that dialog necessary? Was that error significant? Did all the users need to see that error?
We don't need that dialog box.0 -
Draxinusom_✭✭And how many users do you estimate, would report such errors if there were no dialog? 0, zero, nada, noone or of the full population, exactly only you? I mean, from your original post I read between the line that you never report these errors.
How exactly would that help to improve addons?
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Solinur✭✭✭Draxinusom_ wrote: »And how many users do you estimate, would report such errors if there were no dialog? 0, zero, nada, noone or of the full population, exactly only you? I mean, from your original post I read between the line that you never report these errors.
How exactly would that help to improve addons?
Still I agree that it would be preferable to hide the error box and show it after a fight or if in a dungeon show it at the end otf it. Maybe display some symbol somwhere indicating that there are errors.
I find the best implementation so far in No, Thank You where the error is send to the Notifications and can be opened from there whenever one wishes.Edited by Solinur on 18 September 2018 22:39@Solinur Pact EU - PC (Solinur: Templar - Magicka DD, Moves-like-Günther: Sorcerer - Stamina DD, Kinara Sol: Templar - Stamina DD, )
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Ulfson✭✭✭Drax, I can't speculate on who or how may users report errors. I think you are just trolling. I never reported any and I don't know anyone who has reported any errors from those dialog boxes.
I have USED the errors to ferret out the line of offending code. But I did not need that dialog box to tell me about the error. I could have done the same with a simple chat window message.
Happy Trails0 -
Easily_Lost✭✭✭✭✭I use BugCatcher ( http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1083-BugCatcher.html ) it hides the errors but holds them till you wipe them, and I report bugs or errors all the time.
The only time I do not report them is if the author ( or no one else ) is maintaining the addon.
One of the only ways the author knows of a problem is if users report them, because users do 'strange' things sometimes with addons.PC - NA - AD
started April 2015
PVE & Solo only
Meet the LOST family: CP 1250+
Easily Lost Crafter - lvl 50 - Sorcerer Orc ( knows all traits and most styles )
Easily Lost-W - lvl 50 - Warden Imperial
Forever Lost - lvl 50 Sorcerer
CROWN CRATES: It doesn't affect gameplay, it's not mandatory, it's cosmetic only. If it helps to support the game and ZOS, I support it! Say YES to crown crates.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭manavortex wrote: »There's an AddOn for that.
Often though, No, Thank You is also broken and the cause of many error messages itself, lol. Like on the PTS right now.0 -
Baertram✭✭✭✭✭If you tend to fix the errors yourself and DO NOT report them, how could anyone else except "you" benefit from it then?
Very sad. Just report them on www.esoui.com in the addon comments so they get patched and everyone benefits from it.
Everything else is nonsense.
Thank you.Edited by Baertram on 30 September 2018 23:510