mocap wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

As long as you keep Lightning Blockade, Elemental Drain, Combat Prayer, 3-4 HoTs (including orbs) and purge every few seconds where you need to everything is OK.

Tank: as long as you keep boss aggro everything is ok. Tank is hardest roll. No doubt.

Clearly you are not following the topic. I've specifically outlined what a good tank does just before. I consider people that just cherry pick trough the conversation and get things out of context are either dishonest or plainly dumb, though it's not uncommon to stack both.

Dps: low entry, drop aoe and settle into a rotation don't stand in red. To high ceiling animation canceling, high uptimes, resource management and soloing stuff not meant to be soloed.

Tank: High entry, You need to know the content know what damage you can take what you really have to block or it will kill you or what you can take and let your healer heal you through. But once you do. Its just taunt, block, interrupt and keep up buffs/debuffs.

Healer: Easy when the both the content is easy and when the group is good...hell on earth when people are bad. Its the most variable role you don't exactly settle into a rotation like a dps or just block like a tank you have to be reactive when things are going badly and keep your eyes open to how people are going.

Tank is easy the only time tanking is "hard" is during vet hm trials and maybe vet DLC dungeons just stand there face away from the group keep buffs up and poke the boss every 15 sec isn't hard.

DPS seems to be the easiest role in any MMO. Easy to level and there's usually multiple in any group content so the burden of killing bosses is lessened. If you don't do your job to the fullest there are others to take up the slack.

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Kuwhar wrote: »

I'm surprised by the comments here, looks like "easiest" has a highly subjective meaning.

Pose it as a different question: Which role has the biggest negative impact on a group if they are slacking?

I'd rather have a sub-par DPS then a sub-par healer or a tank.

If you have excellent damage dealers who know how to survive, you don’t need a healer and/or tank. My preferred group set-up for four man vet dungeons is three DDs who pull 25-30k+ DPS self-buffed, and a self-healing Warden tank.

First,.. It's easy to be crappy at any role, it's all about the amount of effort it takes to not be crappy.

If we're talking about classes and group makeup;

DPS is the easiest role because there are less variables. You keep your head down you do your rotation you stay out of red stuff. Being a good dps is easy to do because you can practice it sitting at your house hitting a dummy. You can squeeze out 30k dps without trying hard by just reading up on your class and build and learning a rotation. This is agnostic of what dungeon/trial your in and applies across the boards. You don't have to change skills often ( if ever at all ).

Healer, while having some variables, is mostly a reactive role. Keep your aoes down, your buffs up, and debuffs on the DPS's current target. Being a good healer is not as easy as it takes practice ( which can only be found in group situations in harder content ). You need to be able to track players in the group along with their health/buffs, need to know how your heals are affective in certain situations in different dungeons,. when players need purge and when you have breaks between boss mechanics to lay down those buffs/dps.

Tank has the most variables and most consequences. There is no practice except for when you're in it. You have basically the same responsibilities as the healer but on top of that you need to identify threats to the group and group the mobs up as best as possible to maximize your groups DPS output. You need to know which attacks can be handled by your armor and which need to be blocked. Wearing strictly 'buff sets' means you're not getting much help ( if any ) from your gear.

If we're talking about "roles" being group leader is the hardest role in the game. ( Meaning the one leading the group, not the one with the Crown ). You can work through bad dps bad heals and bad tanks if you know the mechanics and can properly explain them to the person slacking or not understanding.

..... Anyone who thinks tanking is easy should take a run through VHOF and let me know how it goes.

Honestly, there isn't really a "black or white" answer, all three of them have their own levels of difficulty. Personally I think that DPS is easier, main reason being that you already have 1 person that has butt loads of health and are there to get all the aggro, and you have someone behind you making sure you are buffed and healed, so in a perfect world all the DPS should worry about is just staying out of the red and killing stuff as fast as possible.

My personal opinion, but yeah.

Marginis wrote: »

SilvyrNixe wrote: »

Honestly, there isn't really a "black or white" answer, all three of them have their own levels of difficulty. Personally I think that DPS is easier, main reason being that you already have 1 person that has butt loads of health and are there to get all the aggro, and you have someone behind you making sure you are buffed and healed, so in a perfect world all the DPS should worry about is just staying out of the red and killing stuff as fast as possible.

My personal opinion, but yeah.

It's not a detrimental thing to say about DPSes though either. It still requires a fairly high amount of skill to balance stats and achieve the highest damage possible, while not pulling your team down, whereas it's much easier to balance stats on a tank (in my opinion) and healers are really straightforward.

It's just that the job of a DPS doesn't have any substantial effects on the eventual outcome, so in that way, the pressure is a lot lower, and the things going on in the dungeon aren't as big of a deal as compared to the tank/healer.

That's true, though one thing that I see happen a lot is that if everyone wipes, usually the healers are blamed first which drives me nuts. I'm not saying that they're easier by a long shot, but they are a tad bit easier and a lot less pressure then the other two that's for sure.

Runefang wrote: »

Kuwhar wrote: »

I'm surprised by the comments here, looks like "easiest" has a highly subjective meaning.

Pose it as a different question: Which role has the biggest negative impact on a group if they are slacking?

I'd rather have a sub-par DPS then a sub-par healer or a tank.

But your question is about role importance, not difficulty.

A healer who doesn't heal will cause more wipes than a DPS who doesn't do damage. It doesn't mean that their role is harder though (unless you find responsibility hard), healers generally have no trouble out healing any incoming damage in this game.

That's a fair point, although i'd say the difficulty does indeed come from that responsibility.

There are just a lot more variables that need to be dealt with trying to keep people alive than strictly cauasing as much damage as possible.

Koensol wrote: »

Lol at the people saying DPS. If it is so easy, then why are we seeing so many -10k dps in groupfinder? Healing is so mindnumbingly easy in this game they are not even needed outside of trials and some DLC dungeons.

So you mean the hardest content requires healers and tanks but the easy content onlyy requires DPS...lol

Begger.

JinMori wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

SilvyrNixe wrote: »

Honestly, there isn't really a "black or white" answer, all three of them have their own levels of difficulty. Personally I think that DPS is easier, main reason being that you already have 1 person that has butt loads of health and are there to get all the aggro, and you have someone behind you making sure you are buffed and healed, so in a perfect world all the DPS should worry about is just staying out of the red and killing stuff as fast as possible.

My personal opinion, but yeah.

It's not a detrimental thing to say about DPSes though either. It still requires a fairly high amount of skill to balance stats and achieve the highest damage possible, while not pulling your team down, whereas it's much easier to balance stats on a tank (in my opinion) and healers are really straightforward.

It's just that the job of a DPS doesn't have any substantial effects on the eventual outcome, so in that way, the pressure is a lot lower, and the things going on in the dungeon aren't as big of a deal as compared to the tank/healer.

Doesn't have a substantial effect on the outcome? Are you kidding? You guys don;t have any idea, this is what actually happens:

If the group is bad, then healer is probably the most difficult, which is why in very good groups, the healer job is half support and half healing most of the time, if not support for the most time, because if your groups is godlike and is burning through content, the healer just doens't have much to heal.

The highest skill ceiling is dps, but it also has the lowest floor, you have to manage a lot of buffs, while being careful on mechanics, and doing your roation perfectly.

And finally tank has high requirements, but cannot be improved much further then support and keeping up taunt and blocking.

Doesn't have a substantial effect? Good dps can pretty much carry the group just through sheer damage, you have no idea how many bad dungeon groups i have carried, just through damage, it's even possible to kill bosses with no tank, dps is the single most important factor that decides whether the group lives or dies, because guess what, even if you have a good tank and healer, if your dps is garbage, you are not gonna get through that boss, sooner or later the healer and tank will run out of resources or do a mistake, unless the boss is just very easy and doesn't have a lot of mechanics.

Not having a substantial effect on the outcome (failing or completing a dungeon) is not the same as having a substantial effect on the speed or ease of achieving that outcome. Having a bad tank or healer can break your group and make the dungeon near impossible to complete, whereas having a bad DPS will rarely make it impossible to complete a dungeon as long as your tank and healer are still competent. Like you said, while the skill ceiling is very high, the skill floor is also super low - therefore, DPS has the easiest job, even as it has the highest potential and capability.