Well it finally happened. A vote kick tale
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drake88131✭✭✭I'm a cp 720 dps. I sometimes q into random normals when I'm bored. I love carrying the group on every dungeon. It's a fun challenge. Basically solo'd the normal fang lair once. Ridiculous anyone would kick anyone in normal if there is any cp 720 but that's the way it goes sometimes!3 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart, when you've wasted as many hundreds of hours as I have teaching people mechanics for content that is YEARS old, your patience eventually runs out. We are in the age of having everything we could possibly ever want to research available with a quick trip to google, and it pisses me off to no end when it seems NOBODY knows the mechanics in Cradle or in Maw, to use your two chosen examples. Literally taking about 10 minutes of your time to look up a general guide for content you have not run before you think about doing it so you don't hold the group back is what I would consider common courtesy.
I'd consider acting like a spoilt child in a dungeon because people aren't as good as you as lacking common courtesy. The running for example you can read a guide as many times as you want but without actually doing it, you won't ever 'get' it.
Thankfully your point of view is in the minority.
Separately, does anyone remember MW2 and trying to play Domination or other game types? It would force you into game chat if you were in party chat. For the consoles I would seriously suggest this for PUGing. Communication is key and a bad group can still stumble through provided there is some communication.
So not wanting to waste an hour+ of my time because someone is too incompetent to grasp simple mechanics is acting like a spoiled child? Sorry, that logic doesn't hold up. If people are tired of being kicked because they suck, the two simple solutions are to either make an effort to stop sucking, or stop queuing for that content with strangers. Just like it's their right to try whatever they want, it is also our right to refuse to put up with it.
Beggers can't be choosers. If you're taking an hour+ of your time to do dungeons it might actually be you thats the problem...PS4 - Europe - Aldmeri Dominion1 -
Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart, when you've wasted as many hundreds of hours as I have teaching people mechanics for content that is YEARS old, your patience eventually runs out. We are in the age of having everything we could possibly ever want to research available with a quick trip to google, and it pisses me off to no end when it seems NOBODY knows the mechanics in Cradle or in Maw, to use your two chosen examples. Literally taking about 10 minutes of your time to look up a general guide for content you have not run before you think about doing it so you don't hold the group back is what I would consider common courtesy.
I'd consider acting like a spoilt child in a dungeon because people aren't as good as you as lacking common courtesy. The running for example you can read a guide as many times as you want but without actually doing it, you won't ever 'get' it.
Thankfully your point of view is in the minority.
Separately, does anyone remember MW2 and trying to play Domination or other game types? It would force you into game chat if you were in party chat. For the consoles I would seriously suggest this for PUGing. Communication is key and a bad group can still stumble through provided there is some communication.
So not wanting to waste an hour+ of my time because someone is too incompetent to grasp simple mechanics is acting like a spoiled child? Sorry, that logic doesn't hold up. If people are tired of being kicked because they suck, the two simple solutions are to either make an effort to stop sucking, or stop queuing for that content with strangers. Just like it's their right to try whatever they want, it is also our right to refuse to put up with it.
Beggers can't be choosers. If you're taking an hour+ of your time to do dungeons it might actually be you thats the problem...
If you would use your brain for a minute, you would realize that I might be the tank or healer, in which case nothing I could possibly do would speed up a dungeon run if the dps are always dying to 1-shots, or to use a more specific example, allowing the final boss of vet direfrost to regenerate 40% of her health off them every time she chooses them. It could also be a dungeon with mechanics that target, incapacitate, and then kill a teammate if the rest of the team can't collectively prevent it, such as Nerieneth in CoH II or even the shade boss in Fungal II. Or we could be in a veteran DLC dungeon and if someone is always dead, it's simply not realistic to expect a fast complete.
Stop being an apologist for people that shouldn't be annoyed when people get tired of their incompetence and kick them.Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on 15 May 2018 15:082 -
drake88131✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart, when you've wasted as many hundreds of hours as I have teaching people mechanics for content that is YEARS old, your patience eventually runs out. We are in the age of having everything we could possibly ever want to research available with a quick trip to google, and it pisses me off to no end when it seems NOBODY knows the mechanics in Cradle or in Maw, to use your two chosen examples. Literally taking about 10 minutes of your time to look up a general guide for content you have not run before you think about doing it so you don't hold the group back is what I would consider common courtesy.
I'd consider acting like a spoilt child in a dungeon because people aren't as good as you as lacking common courtesy. The running for example you can read a guide as many times as you want but without actually doing it, you won't ever 'get' it.
Thankfully your point of view is in the minority.
Separately, does anyone remember MW2 and trying to play Domination or other game types? It would force you into game chat if you were in party chat. For the consoles I would seriously suggest this for PUGing. Communication is key and a bad group can still stumble through provided there is some communication.
So not wanting to waste an hour+ of my time because someone is too incompetent to grasp simple mechanics is acting like a spoiled child? Sorry, that logic doesn't hold up. If people are tired of being kicked because they suck, the two simple solutions are to either make an effort to stop sucking, or stop queuing for that content with strangers. Just like it's their right to try whatever they want, it is also our right to refuse to put up with it.
Beggers can't be choosers. If you're taking an hour+ of your time to do dungeons it might actually be you thats the problem...
If you would use your brain for a minute, you would realize that I might be the tank or healer, in which case nothing I could possibly do would speed up a dungeon run if the dps are always dying to 1-shots, or to use a more specific example, allowing the final boss of vet direfrost to regenerate 40% of her health off them every time she chooses them. It could also be a dungeon with mechanics that target, incapacitate, and then kill a teammate if the rest of the team can't collectively prevent it, such as Nerieneth in CoH II or even the shade boss in Fungal II. Or we could be in a veteran DLC dungeon and if someone is always dead, it's simply not realistic to expect a fast complete.
Stop being an apologist for people that shouldn't be annoyed when people get tired of their incompetence and kick them.
Pretty sure this post was about a normal dungeon.
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Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure the conversation has changed to the topic of general incompetence.1
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It was normal blessed crucible. An pretty easy dungeon, no challenging mechanics (killing the adds on last boss is the only I know) or any sort of dps checks. Don't think any died in it in the times I done it on normal.drake88131 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart, when you've wasted as many hundreds of hours as I have teaching people mechanics for content that is YEARS old, your patience eventually runs out. We are in the age of having everything we could possibly ever want to research available with a quick trip to google, and it pisses me off to no end when it seems NOBODY knows the mechanics in Cradle or in Maw, to use your two chosen examples. Literally taking about 10 minutes of your time to look up a general guide for content you have not run before you think about doing it so you don't hold the group back is what I would consider common courtesy.
I'd consider acting like a spoilt child in a dungeon because people aren't as good as you as lacking common courtesy. The running for example you can read a guide as many times as you want but without actually doing it, you won't ever 'get' it.
Thankfully your point of view is in the minority.
Separately, does anyone remember MW2 and trying to play Domination or other game types? It would force you into game chat if you were in party chat. For the consoles I would seriously suggest this for PUGing. Communication is key and a bad group can still stumble through provided there is some communication.
So not wanting to waste an hour+ of my time because someone is too incompetent to grasp simple mechanics is acting like a spoiled child? Sorry, that logic doesn't hold up. If people are tired of being kicked because they suck, the two simple solutions are to either make an effort to stop sucking, or stop queuing for that content with strangers. Just like it's their right to try whatever they want, it is also our right to refuse to put up with it.
Beggers can't be choosers. If you're taking an hour+ of your time to do dungeons it might actually be you thats the problem...
If you would use your brain for a minute, you would realize that I might be the tank or healer, in which case nothing I could possibly do would speed up a dungeon run if the dps are always dying to 1-shots, or to use a more specific example, allowing the final boss of vet direfrost to regenerate 40% of her health off them every time she chooses them. It could also be a dungeon with mechanics that target, incapacitate, and then kill a teammate if the rest of the team can't collectively prevent it, such as Nerieneth in CoH II or even the shade boss in Fungal II. Or we could be in a veteran DLC dungeon and if someone is always dead, it's simply not realistic to expect a fast complete.
Stop being an apologist for people that shouldn't be annoyed when people get tired of their incompetence and kick them.
Pretty sure this post was about a normal dungeon.
An high cp group who kick an low level healer on load there has to be bad, very bad
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.5 -
agingerinohio✭✭✭My CP 678 mag dk was vote kicked from WGT by under CP 300's stuck at Planar Inhibitor (I was a fill in). Was heading towards the group when I got ported out. Lol I was like...okay then. Went back with a diff group a few mins later and breezed through in no time.
Sometimes people are just petty. Don't take it to heart.2 -
Stewart1874✭✭✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874 wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart, when you've wasted as many hundreds of hours as I have teaching people mechanics for content that is YEARS old, your patience eventually runs out. We are in the age of having everything we could possibly ever want to research available with a quick trip to google, and it pisses me off to no end when it seems NOBODY knows the mechanics in Cradle or in Maw, to use your two chosen examples. Literally taking about 10 minutes of your time to look up a general guide for content you have not run before you think about doing it so you don't hold the group back is what I would consider common courtesy.
I'd consider acting like a spoilt child in a dungeon because people aren't as good as you as lacking common courtesy. The running for example you can read a guide as many times as you want but without actually doing it, you won't ever 'get' it.
Thankfully your point of view is in the minority.
Separately, does anyone remember MW2 and trying to play Domination or other game types? It would force you into game chat if you were in party chat. For the consoles I would seriously suggest this for PUGing. Communication is key and a bad group can still stumble through provided there is some communication.
So not wanting to waste an hour+ of my time because someone is too incompetent to grasp simple mechanics is acting like a spoiled child? Sorry, that logic doesn't hold up. If people are tired of being kicked because they suck, the two simple solutions are to either make an effort to stop sucking, or stop queuing for that content with strangers. Just like it's their right to try whatever they want, it is also our right to refuse to put up with it.
Beggers can't be choosers. If you're taking an hour+ of your time to do dungeons it might actually be you thats the problem...
If you would use your brain for a minute, you would realize that I might be the tank or healer, in which case nothing I could possibly do would speed up a dungeon run if the dps are always dying to 1-shots, or to use a more specific example, allowing the final boss of vet direfrost to regenerate 40% of her health off them every time she chooses them. It could also be a dungeon with mechanics that target, incapacitate, and then kill a teammate if the rest of the team can't collectively prevent it, such as Nerieneth in CoH II or even the shade boss in Fungal II. Or we could be in a veteran DLC dungeon and if someone is always dead, it's simply not realistic to expect a fast complete.
Stop being an apologist for people that shouldn't be annoyed when people get tired of their incompetence and kick them.
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Gargath✭✭✭✭✭
✭My last pug with lowbies went smooth and we had a lot of fun together. No vote kick was needed
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PC EU (PL): 14 characters. ESO player since 06.08.2015. Farkas finest quote: "Some people don't think I'm smart. Those people get my fist. But you, I like."2 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get over it and queue again or play with friends
It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them
Don't treat it as an attack against you
Not an attack, but it does seem to me that to use a grouping tool (as opposed to putting together a group of like-minded players) should involve acceptance that other players may not share your priorities--and that after waiting in queue they have a right to participate until they show themselves either to be unable/unwilling to do the content or overtly unpleasant.
In that case they shouldn't kick, but just leave and find another group. If you don't like the group you got into I don't find it very acceptable if you kick someone instead of leaving yourself.Edited by Jayman1000 on 15 May 2018 23:432 -
Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭Stewart1874
This is what happens when someone lacks the intellect for a proper discussion.0 -
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✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Stewart1874
This is what happens when someone lacks the intellect for a proper discussion.
The Crown store and expectations in group finder are the religion and politics of ESO's forums.1 -
SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭Get over it and queue again or play with friends
It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them
Don't treat it as an attack against you
Yeah and his 160 gear would be no use either if he didn't want to let them have it ...some people are ***.
I always do my first random on normal and if I'm crown pass it to the lowest level member and stay till they get the skill point2 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭There's no reason to kick anyone from a normal unless
1 they are been rude
2 the group is full of low levels and one of the low levels queued as the wrong role and it's causing problems.
Two 720s should not need to kick anyone ever on normal. Ever.1 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭Smasherx74 wrote: »boombazookajd wrote: »Well I guess we all have it happen to us, and I've read about it but haven't experienced it first hand. I have now. My level 33 Healer, who's also banking 375 CP's, who has all the important things a healer should have, got vote kicked from a pug. She was heartbroken.
She has all the required skills of a dungeon healer, certainly not the best, but she does the job quite well and I'm getting better at healing every day. I actually really, really enjoy it. I pugged into Blessed Crucible, on normal mind you, for my random dungeon XP and before we even get to the bridge before the first trash mob at the gates, bam, I'm out.
I was pissed, and really put off. I didn't even get a chance to run the dungeon, pick up the skill point, and bank the XP. Not only that but there were two 720's in the group and a 300-something. I'd expect that they can solo the dang thing let alone use the help of my lil ol' healer.
If you aren't up to snuff, and I've carried the bulk of DPS many times when the other dps just wants to spam light attacks, then vote kick it is. But before we even engage one mob?! That's not very nice and now I see why I run into people who feel this games community is toxic.
I think you let your group members die a few times and want to play victim here.
I'd be more worried about the two 720s who kept dying on a normal dungeon.4 -
This is why I always queue with a buddy, even when alting it up. When we get a legit new/low lvl person in our group, if our 4'th doesn't like that they can suck it up and deal or drop group/be kicked while I laugh at them for even caring about such things in a normal, and explain to the newbie that the player who tried to kick them is just unusually bad/ignorant and that they are not at fault at all.
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Horker✭✭✭✭> me being cp 720 tank
> very welcome in pug gear farm group of 2 man
> a lowbie joins, they kick him
> stay in the group
> run whole dungeon
> after dungeon is done, head crafting station
> link the deconstruction results from the deconstructed gear they were farming
> laugh
> cry because you needed it aswell but honour is more important
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smoothscape✭✭Kicking someone from a pug random normal non-dlc dungeon shows lack of social skills and ingame skill. There's no dungeon that hard that you need a lvl 50 cp+++ healer.
When playing my tank, I can get frustrated with low dps, but still, it was my choice in the first place to play a tank then :-)
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✭If you want to see vote kick toxicity at its finest take a looksie at Neverwinter...0 -
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✭✭PUGS...definitely one of the most poorly designed, unfortunate, and least enjoyable aspects of the game. It's a crap shoot that typically ends up as a mechanism for some to leverage their obnoxious, antisocial tendencies. Even as a 720 CP magsorc I'll never queue the dungeon finder with less than 3 already grouped, and we provide a lot dungeon help to low level players in our guild so I'm used to that group dynamic.
I know it's tough sometimes to stomach being kicked, but it really does come with the PUG territory. If you go in with the expectation to be treated respectfully, you're baiting yourself for disappointment. Personally, they could remove the dungeon finder completely and I wouldn't miss it one iota.0 -
Sekero✭✭✭I can understand the frustration with being vote kicked, but frankly - I don’t enter a dungeon with a new toon unless I’ve got the tools on it to be effective, and I perform that role. I expect others to do the same.
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I don’t vote kick folks under 20, but it is irritating. Until 15 they don’t even have bar swap. Getting to 20-25 takes very little time in the myriad ways that do not rely on others. Why not simply do those things, THEN queue for dungeons, rather than queue the moment you can - either knowing they’ll be carried or oblivious.
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Thing is, the leveling advisor opens the dungeon finder and dungeons to characters at low levels: pre lvl 15 if I recall correctly. If a new player is told that this dungeon is now open to them, then they are going to try it, no? Note, I'm not talking about someone levelling their 10th character, I'm talking about the person who is new to the game and is levelling their first or second character. I wonder how they would feel at being vote-kicked?3
