Well it finally happened. A vote kick tale

boombazookajd

Well I guess we all have it happen to us, and I've read about it but haven't experienced it first hand. I have now. My level 33 Healer, who's also banking 375 CP's, who has all the important things a healer should have, got vote kicked from a pug. She was heartbroken.

She has all the required skills of a dungeon healer, certainly not the best, but she does the job quite well and I'm getting better at healing every day. I actually really, really enjoy it. I pugged into Blessed Crucible, on normal mind you, for my random dungeon XP and before we even get to the bridge before the first trash mob at the gates, bam, I'm out.

I was pissed, and really put off. I didn't even get a chance to run the dungeon, pick up the skill point, and bank the XP. Not only that but there were two 720's in the group and a 300-something. I'd expect that they can solo the dang thing let alone use the help of my lil ol' healer.

If you aren't up to snuff, and I've carried the bulk of DPS many times when the other dps just wants to spam light attacks, then vote kick it is. But before we even engage one mob?! That's not very nice and now I see why I run into people who feel this games community is toxic.

Juju_beans

Bah..I got kicked at level 10, my very first dungeon. Never even got to get to the first trash mob.
"Kick the level 10" is all I saw in chat.

Ackwalan

Someone may have been farming gear, and they thought your gear drops would be to low a level for them to use.

Houshiki

Considering it was only normal, and they vote kicked someone out before a problem popped up, or even before the first trash pull says a lot about them. And I mean that they're likely incompetent. Seriously, there's rarely if ever actual reason to kick anyone from a normal dungeon, especially a non-dlc normal dungeon.

Voxicity

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

Sheezabeast

Wow that's pretty rude, I'm sorry that happened. I hope you fall into a crowd that does dungeons and you can get included.

Nightfall12

Vote kicks seem to be abused even more than dungeon finder false queuing...

You should have a limit to the vote kicks you can initiate per day. So you save them for when they are actually needed.

MrGarlic

It's not you, it's them.

Very rude indeed. I would never do that.

Mettaricana

Kinda wish we had a split queue

Gear queue
Story/undaunted queue

That way gear queueknow everyone there is there for gear

The other everyone is there for undaunted or the quests

Nestor

I ask the question, Alt or New to the Game? If I am told Alt, its go time.

I know how powerful a fully CP'd leveling character is when using set gear near level. Your basically a god. I am not sure if your stats are ever better if your geared right. True, your going to lack some passives that would help, which is why the game buffs you so much during leveling. I love having leveling alts in a normal dungeon pug.

If they are new, see how it goes. Then figure out what to do. Besides, zones 1 to 5 normal dungeons, with a couple of exceptions, are not all that challenging.

boombazookajd

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions of some people here. Though I shouldn't, I've been around here long enough to at least learn there are those of you who are as rude as the folks who vote-kick before even playing the content.

It reflects back on a very sad part of our society, but moral tales aside, I'm really saddened by your behavior and outlook on the game.

If you are farming gear, then ask the two other players who are 160+ if they got the drop. If you are farming gear, find friends to farm with.

I farm gear. I don't vote kick people from my group because they are low level. For one, they could be an experienced player just trying to get the XP they need OR they could be inexperienced and just trying to play (and learn).

I swear, the level of obnoxiousness in this game, and in the forums can be ridiculous sometimes. Rando XP groups aren't the place to be vote kicking FOR NO REASON.

If they aren't doing a proper job, and you've at least made SOME effort to understand why (maybe its some 14 year old who doesn't know better) THEN vote kick.

EvilCroc

Kicking people in normals is beyond good and evil. It is stupid.

Greevir

boombazookajd wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions of some people here. Though I shouldn't, I've been around here long enough to at least learn there are those of you who are as rude as the folks who vote-kick before even playing the content.

It reflects back on a very sad part of our society, but moral tales aside, I'm really saddened by your behavior and outlook on the game.

If you are farming gear, then ask the two other players who are 160+ if they got the drop. If you are farming gear, find friends to farm with.

I farm gear. I don't vote kick people from my group because they are low level. For one, they could be an experienced player just trying to get the XP they need OR they could be inexperienced and just trying to play (and learn).

I swear, the level of obnoxiousness in this game, and in the forums can be ridiculous sometimes. Rando XP groups aren't the place to be vote kicking FOR NO REASON.

If they aren't doing a proper job, and you've at least made SOME effort to understand why (maybe its some 14 year old who doesn't know better) THEN vote kick.

But they did have a reason to vote kick you. You were a low level healer and they probably wanted anything but a low level healer. They probably would have taken a low level dps. Normal is stupid easy and they simply wanted a fast clear to try to either quickly complete a pledge or to quickly farm it for specific gear pieces. Neither of those requirements you could provide for them. Does it suck for you? Sure. But they also are allowed to play the game how they like and if that means to drop you to get a more efficient player in, that is every bit in their right.

boombazookajd

In this instance, on a normal non-dlc dungeon, there was no excuse to be vote-kicked. If I had rando'd into a DLC dungeon, I'd have backed out myself and I have several times on my main DPS character.

What was really annoying was that I was sitting on the last bit of my 150% XP scroll, and the kick and ensuing wait (albeit small) meant that I missed the XP boost on the very next dungeon I queued for when we cleared it.

strangeradnd

That sucks, and it speaks volumes about the people that opted to do it. Farming, not an excuse more likely they are just a group of dolmen leveled players that aren't good enough to even make it on normal mode without a "real" 720 to carry them otherwise they would likely farm vet at that level.

boombazookajd

Greevir wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions of some people here. Though I shouldn't, I've been around here long enough to at least learn there are those of you who are as rude as the folks who vote-kick before even playing the content.

It reflects back on a very sad part of our society, but moral tales aside, I'm really saddened by your behavior and outlook on the game.

If you are farming gear, then ask the two other players who are 160+ if they got the drop. If you are farming gear, find friends to farm with.

I farm gear. I don't vote kick people from my group because they are low level. For one, they could be an experienced player just trying to get the XP they need OR they could be inexperienced and just trying to play (and learn).

I swear, the level of obnoxiousness in this game, and in the forums can be ridiculous sometimes. Rando XP groups aren't the place to be vote kicking FOR NO REASON.

If they aren't doing a proper job, and you've at least made SOME effort to understand why (maybe its some 14 year old who doesn't know better) THEN vote kick.

But they did have a reason to vote kick you. You were a low level healer and they probably wanted anything but a low level healer. They probably would have taken a low level dps. Normal is stupid easy and they simply wanted a fast clear to try to either quickly complete a pledge or to quickly farm it for specific gear pieces. Neither of those requirements you could provide for them. Does it suck for you? Sure. But they also are allowed to play the game how they like and if that means to drop you to get a more efficient player in, that is every bit in their right.

We'll never agree my friend. You see it your way, I see it mine. There was no reason to kick. None. If they were farming, well, the chances of them getting the gear they wanted was pretty minimal anyway. I've been through CoA enough to learn that one player being under the gear gap isn't going to kill your chances of a drop.

P.S The gear in Blessed Crucible isn't worth farming.

Tasear

I kicked twice in life. Something about being a bad healer. I don't know even best players will get kick. It happens.

KRBMMO

boombazookajd wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised at the reactions of some people here. Though I shouldn't, I've been around here long enough to at least learn there are those of you who are as rude as the folks who vote-kick before even playing the content.

It reflects back on a very sad part of our society, but moral tales aside, I'm really saddened by your behavior and outlook on the game.

If you are farming gear, then ask the two other players who are 160+ if they got the drop. If you are farming gear, find friends to farm with.

I farm gear. I don't vote kick people from my group because they are low level. For one, they could be an experienced player just trying to get the XP they need OR they could be inexperienced and just trying to play (and learn).

I swear, the level of obnoxiousness in this game, and in the forums can be ridiculous sometimes. Rando XP groups aren't the place to be vote kicking FOR NO REASON.

If they aren't doing a proper job, and you've at least made SOME effort to understand why (maybe its some 14 year old who doesn't know better) THEN vote kick.

But they did have a reason to vote kick you. You were a low level healer and they probably wanted anything but a low level healer. They probably would have taken a low level dps. Normal is stupid easy and they simply wanted a fast clear to try to either quickly complete a pledge or to quickly farm it for specific gear pieces. Neither of those requirements you could provide for them. Does it suck for you? Sure. But they also are allowed to play the game how they like and if that means to drop you to get a more efficient player in, that is every bit in their right.

We'll never agree my friend. You see it your way, I see it mine. There was no reason to kick. None. If they were farming, well, the chances of them getting the gear they wanted was pretty minimal anyway. I've been through CoA enough to learn that one player being under the gear gap isn't going to kill your chances of a drop.

P.S The gear in Blessed Crucible isn't worth farming.

Besides if you get jerky vibes from the person (yeah there are usually tells) at the end of the dungeon all you say is "nah, I need that for trait research".

boombazookajd

It's just a stupid practice.

Vote kick if the DPS is spamming light attacks and isn't responding to chat or voice.

Vote kick if the player is slotted as a healer/tank to bypass the queue wait

Vote kick if the player is being rude, offensive, or inconsiderate.


You do not need to vote kick:

simply based on a players rank, before they can even demonstrate their ability to play the game.

your farming wishes

your preconceived notions of what an acceptable rank is

in pretty much any normal non-dlc dungeon.

Greevir

boombazookajd wrote: »

It's just a stupid practice.

Vote kick if the DPS is spamming light attacks and isn't responding to chat or voice.

Vote kick if the player is slotted as a healer/tank to bypass the queue wait

Vote kick if the player is being rude, offensive, or inconsiderate.


You do not need to vote kick:

simply based on a players rank, before they can even demonstrate their ability to play the game.

your farming wishes

your preconceived notions of what an acceptable rank is

in pretty much any normal non-dlc dungeon.

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1. Who cares if dps isn't responding to chat or voice. If they don't want to talk, they have no need to.
2. It's normal, who cares. 4 dps can clear it and unfortunately the rather weak group finder doesn't allow a queue of 4 dps so people will queue for all roles to speed up the process
3. being rude, offensive, or inconsiderate I can possibly see. But I still could not care less. Words have no effect on me. Sticks and stones and all that.

Peoples time are precious to them. They have every right to preserve their playtime in the same way you can waste theirs. They simply had the numbers needed to preserve their way.

[Edit to remove bait.]

boombazookajd

Greevir wrote: »

Peoples time are precious to them. They have every right to preserve their playtime in the same way you can waste theirs. They simply had the numbers needed to preserve their way.

Exactly. Which meant my precious play time was ruined, theirs was not. Even if I had stayed in the dungeon, I would not have RUINED their precious play time. I lost 5 minutes on my nice little XP scroll which meant i missed it on my next run.

Sorry man, but no matter how you slice it, they screwed me over on this one and I have every right to be pissed about it.

Greevir

boombazookajd wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

Peoples time are precious to them. They have every right to preserve their playtime in the same way you can waste theirs. They simply had the numbers needed to preserve their way.

Exactly. Which meant my precious play time was ruined, theirs was not. Even if I had stayed in the dungeon, I would not have RUINED their precious play time. I lost 5 minutes on my nice little XP scroll which meant i missed it on my next run.

Sorry man, but no matter how you slice it, they screwed me over on this one and I have every right to be pissed about it.

Sure, you can be pissed about it. And others can be okay with it as well.

testd4n1

Well, I know most of these threads are just baiting, but having a stamblade as a main, I've been kicked from a group before I even full loaded in. Mainly happened when I was under 300cp.

Imagine loading in to the countdown timer...

Greevir

testd4n1 wrote: »

Well, I know most of these threads are just baiting, but having a stamblade as a main, I've been kicked from a group before I even full loaded in. Mainly happened when I was under 300cp.

Imagine loading in to the countdown timer...

Have had that happen many of times. A great sigh is released when loading in to said countdown timer.

NordSwordnBoard

I always go get my Maelstrom Arena Champ title before I can even do the dungeon finder. When I come out, I can use the que, and have a "title" that some people with CP wear (and not as pvp bait, either).

My new stam toons tank, and my new magic toons heal to make the que quick and still do damage if the group has trouble.

It sucks, but they might've known each other, and kicked you for a friend. Not you, its them - but losing out on the xp scroll is a bummer.

bareheiny

The healer I'm levelling got kicked from a random Elden Hollow...after we cleared it, and I'd finished the quest for the skill point, and another member had dropped group.

The only reason I can think of is that the two remaining players wanted to queue for another dunegon and couldn't wait the 10 seconds or so it'd have taken me to leave the group normally.

boombazookajd

bareheiny wrote: »

The healer I'm levelling got kicked from a random Elden Hollow...after we cleared it, and I'd finished the quest for the skill point, and another member had dropped group.

The only reason I can think of is that the two remaining players wanted to queue for another dunegon and couldn't wait the 10 seconds or so it'd have taken me to leave the group normally.

I always mention before the run in group chat that I am running the quest. I don't read the text, i just skip through. I'd like it that at the very least you don't get kicked until you complete the quest.

Vote kicking is necessary under many conditions and that's why it's in the game. However, it has an ugly side and this ugly side needs to be shared so that we can try to stamp it out.

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I always go get my Maelstrom Arena Champ title before I can even do the dungeon finder. When I come out, I can use the que, and have a "title" that some people with CP wear (and not as pvp bait, either).

My new stam toons tank, and my new magic toons heal to make the que quick and still do damage if the group has trouble.

It sucks, but they might've known each other, and kicked you for a friend. Not you, its them - but losing out on the xp scroll is a bummer.

The xp scroll was the final kick in the nuts.

imnotanother

I always find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually the weak links of the group.

Jayman1000

You probably got kicked because you tried to play a healer, even if that was the role you signed up for. In normal dungeons many players expect everyone to be a dd that can survive by themselves and they see you healing, not doing much damage so you get kicked. It's stupid in my opinion, but that's how it works for some.

The real blame is on ZOS though, for not giving us proper dungeon finder tools. If there are players that just want to run normals all dd, then frakkin give the ability to choose that if that is what they want in the dungeon finder, then it could find likeminded individuals that also wants to do 4x dd. And then you could choose in the dungeon finder to be healer with other likeminded players that also like to actually play the role they sign up for.

DanteYoda

I'm confused how do you bank 375 cp?

MajesticHaruki

Vote kicking in normal dungeons is rude and disrespectful. Those dungeons are for everyone! Vet dungeons, especially dlc, are another story.