Well it finally happened. A vote kick tale

Dapper Dinosaur

dsalter wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

since when was USUALLY interpreted as ALWAYS?
looks like you skim read these replies.

@dsalter Try again. I'll wait.

I always(personal opinion) find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually(mainly but not all) the weak links of the group.

done

Except the person used the terms "always" and "usually" in the same context, which literally can't be done, as always means 100% and usually means only sometimes. The way he used them can only be correctly interpreted as "always", because following "always" with "usually" simply does not work.

Bbsample197

im more surprised that a 720cp vote kicking someone in a NORMAL! dungeon, and its blessde crucible ffs! i can understand if its a DLC one but really blessed crucible? the only thing hard in that dgn is the long ass narrative and dialogue

dsalter

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

since when was USUALLY interpreted as ALWAYS?
looks like you skim read these replies.

@dsalter Try again. I'll wait.

I always(personal opinion) find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually(mainly but not all) the weak links of the group.

done

Except the person used the terms "always" and "usually" in the same context, which literally can't be done, as always means 100% and usually means only sometimes. The way he used them can only be correctly interpreted as "always", because following "always" with "usually" simply does not work.

but the I in the sentence allows it to not be placed in a literal term, "I always find that most people are just people" or "i always find that most of the times i play games i lose" since I is from a first person prospective which means it's not a general statement or factual one.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

I could tell you a nice tale about a max CP healer geared up with end-game trials gear got vote kicked in vICP. The vote was started by a genius 2xx who queued up as everything and joined as a tank. Everybody else blindly said yes to the kick.

That fantastic group didn't go beyond the first trash mobs and disbanded. I ask myself why.
The other people in the group when whispered me apologizing for their dumb blind vote.

Sometimes you PUG into veteran DLC content and lady Luck kisses you with a real kickass healer and you are so dumb to kick that blessing.

Don't take a kick that bad.

VexingArcanist

I could come up with all the alternatives in the world as to why you may have been kicked, however there is always ONE solid answer to everyone of these situations.

There are *** people in this world.

Azuramoonstar

Nightfall12 wrote: »

Vote kicks seem to be abused even more than dungeon finder false queuing...

You should have a limit to the vote kicks you can initiate per day. So you save them for when they are actually needed.

ff14 has a limit of once every 4 hours. It doesn't help, only thing to combat vote kick abuse is to network and run with others.

Azuramoonstar

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You probably got kicked because you tried to play a healer, even if that was the role you signed up for. In normal dungeons many players expect everyone to be a dd that can survive by themselves and they see you healing, not doing much damage so you get kicked. It's stupid in my opinion, but that's how it works for some.

The real blame is on ZOS though, for not giving us proper dungeon finder tools. If there are players that just want to run normals all dd, then frakkin give the ability to choose that if that is what they want in the dungeon finder, then it could find likeminded individuals that also wants to do 4x dd. And then you could choose in the dungeon finder to be healer with other likeminded players that also like to actually play the role they sign up for.

that is a party finder, which works along a df system.

df systems pull from the roles, while pf is a people set up their own rules and people join up. Idm adding a pf type system to ESO. It worked nice in ff14, make it have a lock option so you can set up farm only groups of people who already cleared the content.

Azuramoonstar

Greevir wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

It's just a stupid practice.

Vote kick if the DPS is spamming light attacks and isn't responding to chat or voice.

Vote kick if the player is slotted as a healer/tank to bypass the queue wait

Vote kick if the player is being rude, offensive, or inconsiderate.


You do not need to vote kick:

simply based on a players rank, before they can even demonstrate their ability to play the game.

your farming wishes

your preconceived notions of what an acceptable rank is

in pretty much any normal non-dlc dungeon.

[snip]

1. Who cares if dps isn't responding to chat or voice. If they don't want to talk, they have no need to.
2. It's normal, who cares. 4 dps can clear it and unfortunately the rather weak group finder doesn't allow a queue of 4 dps so people will queue for all roles to speed up the process
3. being rude, offensive, or inconsiderate I can possibly see. But I still could not care less. Words have no effect on me. Sticks and stones and all that.

Peoples time are precious to them. They have every right to preserve their playtime in the same way you can waste theirs. They simply had the numbers needed to preserve their way.

[Edit to remove bait.]

with that type of mindset you better off grouping up with like minded players.

the "who cares" mentality only goes so far. as you have to be considerate of everyone's time not just your own, that includes the possible vote kick person.

Minyassa

This crap is why I don't do dungeons anymore. I'm just too disheartened. This game is full of festering boils masquerading as humans.

Sekero

OK First up, I have never done a dungeon in this game normal or vet. I'm getting the impression that I really don't want to, either. Impression I get from this and other dungeon threads is that not everyone gets loot from the boss? I used to believe that everyone who completed the vet dungeon got the monster helm.

Could someone please explain to this noob how dungeons work in this game? Probably better in pm not to derail the thread anymore?

Thanks
Confused in Bangor (NI)

Azuramoonstar

Minyassa wrote: »

This crap is why I don't do dungeons anymore. I'm just too disheartened. This game is full of festering boils masquerading as humans.

from my experience it rarely happens. been playing mmo for 10-14+ years.

in my last mmo, which I played from launch in 2013 to last month i've been kicked out a good 4 times in a vote kick abuse. (5 years of playing)

forums make it seem a bigger problem then it is, and people who vote kick don't always do it for bad reasons. Some do it for legit reasons.

Juju_beans

PUGS = a 4 letter word.

My very first experience in ESO with group finder dungeons at level 10 was a vote kick because I was level 10.

Kuramas9tails

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

@Voxicity, isn't there a wait time to requeue? Or is it different when you get kicked? I assumed people who are kicked have to wait to requeue so whenever I did the queue for farming a set on normal, the amount of time they would have to wait for another queue, the normal would be finished (usually).

The point of a queue is to group people who don't have friends/guilds to be able to run the content. Telling that person to not use it for it's intended purpose seems a bit off to me. if anything, the three farmers should not be queueing if that is true. We are just speculating at this point. I can two man all normal dungeons with my boyfriend so if him or I need to farm for sets, we don't usually queue, we just two man it or if we queue, we don't kick. We see it as a way helping someone get the XP or skill point or both. A helpful community is a strong community.

Kuramas9tails

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'm confused how do you bank 375 cp?

What is there to be confused about? They have 375 CP in their tree they used on their low level. So they are level 33 but they have 375 CP.

Florial

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

Frankly I don't care what group I'm in, gear farming or not. My gear drops are mine. If I'm feeling generous, which most days I am, I'll give you what you are looking for. But the first hint of you demanding my property be given to you and it's over buddy. I don't play with Piggy Pugs!

Agree. I'm very generous but if someone starts demanding, especially if it was a unpleasant run (toxic attitudes), my graciousness is gone.

kylewwefan

boombazookajd wrote: »

Well I guess we all have it happen to us, and I've read about it but haven't experienced it first hand. I have now. My level 33 Healer, who's also banking 375 CP's, who has all the important things a healer should have, got vote kicked from a pug. She was heartbroken.

She has all the required skills of a dungeon healer, certainly not the best, but she does the job quite well and I'm getting better at healing every day. I actually really, really enjoy it. I pugged into Blessed Crucible, on normal mind you, for my random dungeon XP and before we even get to the bridge before the first trash mob at the gates, bam, I'm out.

I was pissed, and really put off. I didn't even get a chance to run the dungeon, pick up the skill point, and bank the XP. Not only that but there were two 720's in the group and a 300-something. I'd expect that they can solo the dang thing let alone use the help of my lil ol' healer.

If you aren't up to snuff, and I've carried the bulk of DPS many times when the other dps just wants to spam light attacks, then vote kick it is. But before we even engage one mob?! That's not very nice and now I see why I run into people who feel this games community is toxic.

They kicked you out so they could invite a friend in. Don’t take it personally. It does suck and is a lousy thing to do, but I’d bet that is what happened.

GreenhaloX

Nestor wrote: »

I ask the question, Alt or New to the Game? If I am told Alt, its go time.

I know how powerful a fully CP'd leveling character is when using set gear near level. Your basically a god. I am not sure if your stats are ever better if your geared right. True, your going to lack some passives that would help, which is why the game buffs you so much during leveling. I love having leveling alts in a normal dungeon pug.

If they are new, see how it goes. Then figure out what to do. Besides, zones 1 to 5 normal dungeons, with a couple of exceptions, are not all that challenging.

It shouldn't matter if someone is a new toon or an alt. Everyone deserve to be able to experience any content within this game. If even a new or lower level player/toon is contributing to the fight, then there is no gentlemanly or team player sense reason to kick that player just because he or she is a lowbie. If you're 300 and higher CP, you shouldn't have much trouble soloing the normal dungeon. Ok, you may need another for the DLC ones on normal (it depends), but even a higher level and max CP can solo those. If you're 400 CP and higher, you should be able to solo the regular vet dungeons. Ok, you may need another for the DLC vet ones, unless you're the youtube ESO guru types, or someone of the likes of @Vaoh (that is one crazy son-of-a-beach, by the way) or others who have soloed the DLC ones.

Sure, I get it. Some probably don't want to be burden with lower level toons, but, that is just sad, since there is nothing really competitive about ESO. I can see if certain contents as a vet trial or even vet dungeon are turned into a real competition-base contents as the other professional-based competitive games. Then, I can see a group seeking out the better or best of the best. However, ESO is still a game as any other normal non-professional competition games, and it is suppose to be entertainment for all. It is just sad how many peeps can be so self-centered and non-team players in ESO. However, with many peeps who are not, there are still lots of others who are.

With four players, you should be able to clear any normal dungeon so breezily. Of course, if everyone is non-CP or not an alt, I'm sure you all will experience a challenge. For the vet ones, if everyone are under 300 CP, you're also likely to experience a harder (or better) challenge. I remember during my 500 CP tenure, I was going through the vet dungeons (by random queuing) and had peeps in the 100s and 200 range CP, and even a few in the double digits in certain runs. Everyone was contributing to the fight, though, and we got through the dungeons, despite a couple time of wiping. However, if I am in a group that is completely out of whack, or a certain someone who is truly toxic, or not a team player, then, yeah, he has to go, or I'll go; which this has happened a few times over.

Voxicity

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

@Voxicity, isn't there a wait time to requeue? Or is it different when you get kicked? I assumed people who are kicked have to wait to requeue so whenever I did the queue for farming a set on normal, the amount of time they would have to wait for another queue, the normal would be finished (usually).

The point of a queue is to group people who don't have friends/guilds to be able to run the content. Telling that person to not use it for it's intended purpose seems a bit off to me. if anything, the three farmers should not be queueing if that is true. We are just speculating at this point. I can two man all normal dungeons with my boyfriend so if him or I need to farm for sets, we don't usually queue, we just two man it or if we queue, we don't kick. We see it as a way helping someone get the XP or skill point or both. A helpful community is a strong community.

I said 'It is possible...'

yiasemi

It started in the first era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_alkj8YDcI

Me and my good partners
We were riding back to our camp
We were feeling very fine
The air was clear and slightly damp

We were riding back to have ourselves a party
To celebrate the robbing of the train
We were talking kind of low and lazy
'bout not having to go out soon again

You know we hadn't been back at home two hours
We heard a hawk cry out in the night
And you know that's a signal from young Billy who's our sentry
Saying something here ain't exactly right, oh

zaria

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

This crap is why I don't do dungeons anymore. I'm just too disheartened. This game is full of festering boils masquerading as humans.

from my experience it rarely happens. been playing mmo for 10-14+ years.

in my last mmo, which I played from launch in 2013 to last month i've been kicked out a good 4 times in a vote kick abuse. (5 years of playing)

forums make it seem a bigger problem then it is, and people who vote kick don't always do it for bad reasons. Some do it for legit reasons.

This, been kicked twice in ESO, first was the queuing for CoS as cp180 and learning to heal, it was vet
Second was on an low level alt in normal CoS.
The level restriction in horn of the reach helped a lot, normal dlc with an low level group was hard.

Far more often players quit, for most content, that is outside harder vet dungeon it require an weak group, not just one weak player so they find its faster to quit and re-queue rater than stay in the mess.
Or the player find they are the weak link and quit rather than being kicked later.

Ashtaris

Smasherx74 wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

Well I guess we all have it happen to us, and I've read about it but haven't experienced it first hand. I have now. My level 33 Healer, who's also banking 375 CP's, who has all the important things a healer should have, got vote kicked from a pug. She was heartbroken.

She has all the required skills of a dungeon healer, certainly not the best, but she does the job quite well and I'm getting better at healing every day. I actually really, really enjoy it. I pugged into Blessed Crucible, on normal mind you, for my random dungeon XP and before we even get to the bridge before the first trash mob at the gates, bam, I'm out.

I was pissed, and really put off. I didn't even get a chance to run the dungeon, pick up the skill point, and bank the XP. Not only that but there were two 720's in the group and a 300-something. I'd expect that they can solo the dang thing let alone use the help of my lil ol' healer.

If you aren't up to snuff, and I've carried the bulk of DPS many times when the other dps just wants to spam light attacks, then vote kick it is. But before we even engage one mob?! That's not very nice and now I see why I run into people who feel this games community is toxic.

I think you let your group members die a few times and want to play victim here.

lol - If a CP700+ dies in a Normal dungeon like Blessed Crucible, they deserve to die.

karekiz

Vote kicking in normal is silly and no excuse of "Your low level! You weren't a DPS!" is useable

Its normal. They need to GIT GUD M8. A good player can solo in less than 20 mins anyway.

And if its Blessed Crucible. Just do it in vet for gear lol. Its Blessed. Just run it with tank + 3 DPS = EZ farm mode. X3 300+ DPS will tear that place a new one. With a tank just slotting something like earthgore for emergency heal is cake walk.

xxthir13enxx

Should be given option to Vote to kick person Nominated or the Person who Initiated the Vote...would make ppl think twice about starting an auto-vote

Merlin13KAGL

Nestor wrote: »

I ask the question, Alt or New to the Game? If I am told Alt, its go time.

I know how powerful a fully CP'd leveling character is when using set gear near level. Your basically a god. I am not sure if your stats are ever better if your geared right. True, your going to lack some passives that would help, which is why the game buffs you so much during leveling. I love having leveling alts in a normal dungeon pug.

If they are new, see how it goes. Then figure out what to do. Besides, zones 1 to 5 normal dungeons, with a couple of exceptions, are not all that challenging.

Give that man a prize.

It always amazes me that groups don't pick up on the fact that, while yes, you're XXX CP's lower and perhaps even non-meta, yet you seem to know every subtle trick about content you've seeming never set foot in before.

My favorites are "Get to XXX CP and we'll talk," or "Try the role before you offer advice."

At that point, just leave them to their failed destiny.

Some can't wrap their head around the idea that some people have multiple accounts or switched platforms.

I used to reply with "Would you like me to swap to the account that has more CP the all of us combined?" or "Which of the 5 (of said role) would you like me to bring? I'll even let you pick the class."

zaria

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Should be given option to Vote to kick person Nominated or the Person who Initiated the Vote...would make ppl think twice about starting an auto-vote

True, had noticed before that the weak link tend to be the one initiate kick, the 13K health guy who refuses food is the obvious one. Also ran into that trap before, best to just leave afterward.

randomkeyhits

Its been mentioned but I've always found blind voting to be an issue, across many MMO games. It would be great if the popup was something like

A Vote to kick on XXXXXX has been started

Press X to reject this and keep this person

or press O to have them leave group.

With the last line in smaller text. Auto clicking then keeps the player.

Also there should be limits within an instance on how many times someone can instigate vote-to-kick. It gets so annoying when someone just sits there issuing vote-to-kicks until they get their way. The group said no now deal with it or just leave yourself......

Aliyavana

the normal dungeon que is there for all players, it shouldn't be used to kick lower leveled players it is geared to

Icy_Waffles

Wear a skin or polymorph that shows you mean business.

rafaelcsmaia

Only case when I actually vote yes for kicking people is when theyre failing a mechanic leading to a wipe AND are unwilling to listen. Even if they're messing things up, being open to learning makes all the difference for me. Everyone was a noob once, people tend to forget that.

DaveMoeDee

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

Treat it like they are just d-bags.