Well it finally happened. A vote kick tale

Jameliel · May 2018

I've played several MMOs extensively over the past 20 years. For whatever reason, ESO has some of the most ignorant and egotistical players I've ever encountered.

I call the people who constantly want to kick others the "immaculates". Funny how they are always the ones who need to be carried, doing sub-par damage etc. They always know everything, yet they choose to run in pug's instead of soloing or forming their own "leet" group. Idiots abound in this game.

Amadis001 · May 2018

There are no excuses for people treating people poorly. But you can't avoid it. Just shake it off and move on to a friendlier group.

Having said that, Blessed Crucible is sometimes a real slog, even on normal, for unprepared players. I have had a few rough runs, include groups that never even made it past the troll before completely falling apart.. So I'm not too surprised if a group of high level players saw a noob (even though you are not) and decided to ask questions later.

Ydrisselle · May 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You probably got kicked because you tried to play a healer, even if that was the role you signed up for. In normal dungeons many players expect everyone to be a dd that can survive by themselves and they see you healing, not doing much damage so you get kicked. It's stupid in my opinion, but that's how it works for some.

The real blame is on ZOS though, for not giving us proper dungeon finder tools. If there are players that just want to run normals all dd, then frakkin give the ability to choose that if that is what they want in the dungeon finder, then it could find likeminded individuals that also wants to do 4x dd. And then you could choose in the dungeon finder to be healer with other likeminded players that also like to actually play the role they sign up for.

OP mentioned that he was kicked before the first pull, so they didn't even fight and he didn't even started to heal.

Stewart1874 · May 2018

I pugged into a group that was just about on the final boss. They took a skip route I was unfamiliar with but nonetheless followed diligently. We get up to the final boss and a vote to kick on me passess, I'm a magsorc DD 580. I was pissed, and me being the petty *** I am decides to be childish and aggro the boss before the game boots me. Enjoy the death ***!

*** those guys.

MaxwellC · May 2018

I really hate where this mentality is going with gamers these days; The "If I get kicked from a dungeon, well the community must be toxic".
Just because you had a bad experience in group finder doesn't justify making a blanket statement (which the OP is pretty much implying). If you get kicked before the game even starts, then what's the big deal, I can see if I were kicked midway through but at the beginning I'd be like w/e.

Ashtaris · May 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

In this instance, on a normal non-dlc dungeon, there was no excuse to be vote-kicked. If I had rando'd into a DLC dungeon, I'd have backed out myself and I have several times on my main DPS character.

What was really annoying was that I was sitting on the last bit of my 150% XP scroll, and the kick and ensuing wait (albeit small) meant that I missed the XP boost on the very next dungeon I queued for when we cleared it.

I have to agree, on a Normal dungeon there is NO reason to be vote-kicked if the CP700's were in the group. Heck, most CP700's can easily solo a normal dungeon. And really, I can't think of any gear in Blessed Crucible except Sword Dancer that may be of any use.

SmellyUnlimited · May 2018

Well there’s not really anything people can say, nor is this eye-opening or a surprise. It’s unfortunate, but it’s such a momentary and negligible lapse in time that I can’t really get behind the styling yourself as a victim.
Could have been worse and be vote kicked at the end, but this way you still get the full value of your time just doing another activity.

Example: someone thinks I’m driving too slowly so they race to pass me and cut me off. Ignoring the obvious RL dangers, this is simply a moment in time. I can move on in my life and not give it a passing thought, or I can let it really get to me and make it a platform to speak about the ills of society. The former allows me to come out on top, the latter I become suddenly their victim and their actions control my response.

Ragged_Claw · May 2018

Don't take it to heart, they were obviously crap. We usually two man Blessed Crucible just using my twilight matriarch for heals (on normal ofc) and would be happy to have someone that could just wield a resto staff. As other people have said the gear in there isn't even worth farming anyway, and certainly not worth kicking someone over. Why use group finder if you are going to be picky about who you get? Vet dungeons sure, no-one wants to spend hours in there if someone is underlevelled, but normal dungeons are soloable for crying out loud. Like I say, don't let it get you down, it's them who clearly can't play, not you. Hope you have better luck in the future!

Edited to add: If they were 700cps and they couldn't run a normal dungeon with a low level healer then they are doomed.

boombazookajd · May 2018

What bugs me the most is that I normally DD, and like a lot of folks prefer to DD but I've really taken a liking to being a healer and will likely main this character for group content.

I could understand if they had dropped into chat or voice and said hey, we want someone higher level for gear. I'd have just backed out no vote kick needed. Or if they had at least inquired as to the skills I have slotted.

Shards? Check
extended ritual? check
healing springs? check
BoL? Check
Warhorn? Checkity check

Thats about all you need for a normal dungeon. magicka? 33k. lightning staff on back bar. Only thing that isn't ideal is I have all training gear on, well that and its mostly Julianos with a few sanctuary pieces. Like all my builds, its an Alcast setup.

That scroll though, losing it 2 mins before we knocked down the last Ilambris twin on the very next rando I got in, meant I couldn't cash in the quest on the 150% scroll. That's what really got me. We spent 5 minutes just standing around in Blessed Crucible for them to eventually kick me. That's what the frustrating part was.

Lunaugh · May 2018

Greevir wrote: »

But they did have a reason to vote kick you. You were a low level healer and they probably wanted anything but a low level healer. They probably would have taken a low level dps. Normal is stupid easy and they simply wanted a fast clear to try to either quickly complete a pledge or to quickly farm it for specific gear pieces. Neither of those requirements you could provide for them. Does it suck for you? Sure. But they also are allowed to play the game how they like and if that means to drop you to get a more efficient player in, that is every bit in their right.

if DPS was their goal, they were not very clever. Easy way to get three dps is have one of the dps already fill the role of healer. I find your logic is erroneous..

zaria · May 2018

Houshiki wrote: »

Considering it was only normal, and they vote kicked someone out before a problem popped up, or even before the first trash pull says a lot about them. And I mean that they're likely incompetent. Seriously, there's rarely if ever actual reason to kick anyone from a normal dungeon, especially a non-dlc normal dungeon.

imnotanother wrote: »

I always find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually the weak links of the group.

This, you was probably saved a lot of pain.
People tend to only get kicked from normals if trolls or afk.
or by scrubs who need carry.

SirCritical · May 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

Vote kick if the player is slotted as a healer/tank to bypass the queue wait

Well, you brought up a completely new issue here. I understand and even agree your opinions, but not this one. If it's random normal, which is easily doable in solo, even 4 DDs aren't needed, you shouldn't kick a fake tank or fake healer, since he is not worse than you, if we take the easy completion as the only goal.

Tl;dr I agree you shouldn't have been kicked, but you have to think about the kicking of anyone, before setting up hard statements.

mocap · May 2018

The real problem is that bloody cooldown 14 minutes timer.

Dapper Dinosaur · May 2018

imnotanother wrote: »

I always find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually the weak links of the group.

ALWAYS, eh? So when I'm running vet scalecaller and one person has died to every single mechanic of the ogre bosses 6+ times even after having the mechanics explained to them, I'm the weakest link if I vote to kick them?

On topic, how much time have you been sitting here complaining about this, TC? In all of that time, you could have just done one more dungeon run and made all of the exp that you lost on that expired scroll back plus probably more. Zenimax completely ignores all important game feedback that comes from the forums, so stepping on your soapbox here for such a small one-time issue is just wasting your time.

zaria · May 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

You probably got kicked because you tried to play a healer, even if that was the role you signed up for. In normal dungeons many players expect everyone to be a dd that can survive by themselves and they see you healing, not doing much damage so you get kicked. It's stupid in my opinion, but that's how it works for some.

The real blame is on ZOS though, for not giving us proper dungeon finder tools. If there are players that just want to run normals all dd, then frakkin give the ability to choose that if that is what they want in the dungeon finder, then it could find likeminded individuals that also wants to do 4x dd. And then you could choose in the dungeon finder to be healer with other likeminded players that also like to actually play the role they sign up for.

Mostly queue as healer and never got any complain about low dps even if its low, usually mostly heal on first trash to get an feel for group. An squeezy group with an fake tank might well require plenty of healing even in normal while other hardly require any at all in vet.

Add that this was before first pull so I think OP was kicked for low level.
Now the only reason why an high cp group would kick an low level player from an normal is because they suck.
Yes they might be farming gear but its no guarantee the replacement would share.

SteveCampsOut · May 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

Frankly I don't care what group I'm in, gear farming or not. My gear drops are mine. If I'm feeling generous, which most days I am, I'll give you what you are looking for. But the first hint of you demanding my property be given to you and it's over buddy. I don't play with Piggy Pugs!

Chaos2088 · May 2018

I wouldn't say this community is toxic.....but the elitism is very high.

It is even backed up by the dungeon lead dude (don't know his name), who every time a new dlc dungeon is given the spotlight on ESO live says "get good".

To some extent yes, hard content needs to exist. But does encourage players to treat others like op was treated.

dsalter · May 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I always find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually the weak links of the group.

ALWAYS, eh? So when I'm running vet scalecaller and one person has died to every single mechanic of the ogre bosses 6+ times even after having the mechanics explained to them, I'm the weakest link if I vote to kick them?

On topic, how much time have you been sitting here complaining about this, TC? In all of that time, you could have just done one more dungeon run and made all of the exp that you lost on that expired scroll back plus probably more. Zenimax completely ignores all important game feedback that comes from the forums, so stepping on your soapbox here for such a small one-time issue is just wasting your time.

since when was USUALLY interpreted as ALWAYS?
looks like you skim read these replies.

to the op tho, kinda sucks but saddly nothing else you can do, i'v been on that end of the stick, got a DK healer alt who back when he was lvl 18 was able to permanently spam healing springs and thanks to scaling they healed well to, but being 18, "must be noob kick it" but thing is, my springs spam and dots when nothing to heal outplayed many pugs as a low level

just remember you are better than them.

Dapper Dinosaur · May 2018

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Get over it and queue again or play with friends

It's possible they were running it for gear and your level 33 gear would be of no use to them

Don't treat it as an attack against you

Frankly I don't care what group I'm in, gear farming or not. My gear drops are mine. If I'm feeling generous, which most days I am, I'll give you what you are looking for. But the first hint of you demanding my property be given to you and it's over buddy. I don't play with Piggy Pugs!

Whenever someone wants me to give them something they need, I sit there in trade waiting for them to get a clue and put an item of their own or a couple thousand gold in for me. I'm stopping what I'm doing to help you complete your build,the least you can do is give me a different trash item to decon for mats.

Slick_007 · May 2018

its not just the vote kicking tosspot. its the others who voted yes. me, at that stage of the dungeon i would have voted no.

Dapper Dinosaur · May 2018

since when was USUALLY interpreted as ALWAYS?
looks like you skim read these replies.

@dsalter Try again. I'll wait for the irony to dawn on you.

dsalter · May 2018

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

since when was USUALLY interpreted as ALWAYS?
looks like you skim read these replies.

@dsalter Try again. I'll wait.

I always(personal opinion) find that people who initiate the Vote to Kick are usually(mainly but not all) the weak links of the group.

done

TarrNokk · May 2018

I play a warden as healer cp720 and do the vPledges every day via dungeon finder. I run all the DLC veteran pledges in pug groups and actually most of them are horrible just in aspect of the behaviour of certain players.
I got vote kicked several times before we started just because I don't use meta-gear or meta-builds.
No, I even play a magicka/stamina hybrid warden which can carry every kind of group through any 4player dungeon.
I was insulted by people who havent even seen me playing, just because of their prejudices against non meta builds.
Those people are the same who kick people because of their prejudices against low levels.
Just stupid people.

sudaki_eso · May 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

I'm confused how do you bank 375 cp?

His main char is at cp375 so when he starts a new toon you can use those cps even tho you are at lvl 1

Kicking ppl from a normal dungeon without even starting is just a ***$ move.

Charliff1966 · May 2018

Vote kick is the reason i only play with my guild.

knaveofengland · May 2018

we have all been there and it gets worse on the dlcs, i would rather hire some npcs mercs/henchies like in guild wars to do the pledges , it worked very well in guild wars .

zaria · May 2018

TarrNokk wrote: »

I play a warden as healer cp720 and do the vPledges every day via dungeon finder. I run all the DLC veteran pledges in pug groups and actually most of them are horrible just in aspect of the behaviour of certain players.
I got vote kicked several times before we started just because I don't use meta-gear or meta-builds.
No, I even play a magicka/stamina hybrid warden which can carry every kind of group through any 4player dungeon.
I was insulted by people who havent even seen me playing, just because of their prejudices against non meta builds.
Those people are the same who kick people because of their prejudices against low levels.
Just stupid people.

Also mostly run healer and find vote kicks rare, most vote kicks is for players going offline after wipes.
The main issue with pug groups I find is that the group tend to fold after a few wipes.
Face it few will do an 3 hour wipefeast with an pug.

yes its kicking of below cp160 players in vet dungeons outside of this its rarely an issue. Agree on this in the harder ones, not coa1, wayrest1 and other easy.

Sparr0w · May 2018

Usually just fly through normal dungeons, don't pay attention to the rest of the group, then offer trades at the end/time to turn in quests while I sell all the useless junk.

Vote kicking isn't needed unless someone is refusing to play the dungeon and just expecting a carry, even in vet everyone should get a fair chance.

The_Art_of_Paw · May 2018

Just sounds like they were a group of three friends being guided by the one that said to vote. They may have just wanted to queue for the bonus but run it as a trio. Try not to take it to heart too much, it doesn't reflect on your ability at healing as you didn't even get a chance to heal

Smasherx74 · May 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

Well I guess we all have it happen to us, and I've read about it but haven't experienced it first hand. I have now. My level 33 Healer, who's also banking 375 CP's, who has all the important things a healer should have, got vote kicked from a pug. She was heartbroken.

She has all the required skills of a dungeon healer, certainly not the best, but she does the job quite well and I'm getting better at healing every day. I actually really, really enjoy it. I pugged into Blessed Crucible, on normal mind you, for my random dungeon XP and before we even get to the bridge before the first trash mob at the gates, bam, I'm out.

I was pissed, and really put off. I didn't even get a chance to run the dungeon, pick up the skill point, and bank the XP. Not only that but there were two 720's in the group and a 300-something. I'd expect that they can solo the dang thing let alone use the help of my lil ol' healer.

If you aren't up to snuff, and I've carried the bulk of DPS many times when the other dps just wants to spam light attacks, then vote kick it is. But before we even engage one mob?! That's not very nice and now I see why I run into people who feel this games community is toxic.

I think you let your group members die a few times and want to play victim here.