I'm 100% happy with buffing medium armor... 200% against buffing shuffle. Passive Dodge and Passive executes should not exist in this game

No. Medium armor is fine. It is not as bad as people make it out to be and it does not need damage buff in form of penetration either. Medium armor wears have higher damage than fully decked out dps light armor magicka builds and fully fleshed out full on glass cannon magicka light armor builds also sacrifice a lot in comparison to average medium armor builds to have similar damage.

Medium builds have the mitigation in form of major evasion from shuffle and dodgeroll and often nukes people just fine with only 2k penetration because weapon damage can be stacked damn high without doing much 3k WD is just so easy to reach while some specialized dps builds can go over 5k which basically eats up shields of all kind in a matter of seconds. Even more so when paired with shattering blow.

Besides, if you haven't noticed, people started using forward momentum because it is elder snares online. Even magicka builds are now using forward momentum, jeopardizing their stam pool just to be free from snares. Again, medium is fine with or without fortified brass and penetration. Stealth passive is actually pretty great also.

Buff medium? It will cause more balance problems than it has now. Just the dps gap between magicka and stamina will widen so much with penetration.

It already has to be the top damage mitigation in th e game and there's other snare removals in game so no

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

I'm 100% happy with buffing medium armor... 200% against buffing shuffle. Passive Dodge and Passive executes should not exist in this game

I'm not asking for a buff to the dodge chance. I'm asking for a buff to the snare immunity. Also if you remove the passive dodge chance then shields should get the same treatment the doge roll spamming did considering undodgeable skills exist and its mandatory resources must be spent on eating certain forms of dmg.

Shields get taken off fast and very expensive and there's only so much lich proc can do about that also. There's that. And unlike dodge, it does not allow you to mitigate 100% of the damage of any skills that are dodgeable which is what the most single targets outside of ults are. Dodge roll was just insane before the nerf and it still can be spammed in a medium armor builds which makes sense because that is their main source of mitigation. Comparing shield to passive dodge chance is just not a good comparison. Shield is more or less uncrittable health tbh. Only times when shields are trouble is when it is magicka vs magicka tbh.

Medium armor should get a buff or 2, sure, but passive dodge is ridiculous and pls remove it entirely.

Since tanks can't use shuffle anymore the dodge chance really isn't useful. Imo replace it with a flat damage reduction to make it more like mist form for vamps (looks similar already anyways).

It's ridiculous how 95% just read the caption and then talk about the passive dodge chance of shuffle although op didn't even mention it.

I agree that the snare immunity of shuffle is way too low.
I think 4 seconds are fine when you're using 5 medium and 5.6 seconds when using 7 pieces.

However any buff to medium armor makes stamnbs even more overperfoming and that's something we have to avoid at any cost

BohnT wrote: »

It's ridiculous how 95% just read the caption and then talk about the passive dodge chance of shuffle although op didn't even mention it.

I agree that the snare immunity of shuffle is way too low.
I think 4 seconds are fine when you're using 5 medium and 5.6 seconds when using 7 pieces.

However any buff to medium armor makes stamnbs even more overperfoming and that's something we have to avoid at any cost

All other stam builds shouldn’t suffer from the sub par viability of medium armor just because stambaldes are OP. Adjust stam NBs if necessary and move forward. And I agree, people don’t even read posts. The snare immunity from shuffle is a little short. And yes the sneak passive needs to be moved to legerdemain as I’ve mentioned before and replaced. Sneaking is not so important in this game that it needs to take up an important slot in the armor passives. If you rely on sneaking that much you’re doing something wrong.

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

It's ridiculous how 95% just read the caption and then talk about the passive dodge chance of shuffle although op didn't even mention it.

I agree that the snare immunity of shuffle is way too low.
I think 4 seconds are fine when you're using 5 medium and 5.6 seconds when using 7 pieces.

However any buff to medium armor makes stamnbs even more overperfoming and that's something we have to avoid at any cost

All other stam builds shouldn’t suffer from the sub par viability of medium armor just because stambaldes are OP. Adjust stam NBs if necessary and move forward. And I agree, people don’t even read posts. The snare immunity from shuffle is a little short. And yes the sneak passive needs to be moved to legerdemain as I’ve mentioned before and replaced. Sneaking is not so important in this game that it needs to take up an important slot in the armor passives. If you rely on sneaking that much you’re doing something wrong.

Of course they shouldn't but if ZOS brings medium buffs to the game the other stamclasses will suffer even more because nbs just got way stronger.
I'm all for balancing stamnb and in the same patch buff medium but as we know Zos this won't happen and they will simply make nbs even stronger

This thread isn't about Nightblades and Nightblades aren't even overpowered. Incap combined with befoul cp might be a little ridiculous but Nightblades are hardly over performing. I don't play one, but on a medium dizzy swing stam dk I've never had an issue with ones that didn't spec into befoul.

WTB those enemies.
Stamnb is overperfoming, not much but slightly, mainly noticeable when 40% of cyro are stamnb and in BGs atleast 50%.

JobooAGS wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

It's ridiculous how 95% just read the caption and then talk about the passive dodge chance of shuffle although op didn't even mention it.

I agree that the snare immunity of shuffle is way too low.
I think 4 seconds are fine when you're using 5 medium and 5.6 seconds when using 7 pieces.

However any buff to medium armor makes stamnbs even more overperfoming and that's something we have to avoid at any cost

All other stam builds shouldn’t suffer from the sub par viability of medium armor just because stambaldes are OP. Adjust stam NBs if necessary and move forward. And I agree, people don’t even read posts. The snare immunity from shuffle is a little short. And yes the sneak passive needs to be moved to legerdemain as I’ve mentioned before and replaced. Sneaking is not so important in this game that it needs to take up an important slot in the armor passives. If you rely on sneaking that much you’re doing something wrong.

Of course they shouldn't but if ZOS brings medium buffs to the game the other stamclasses will suffer even more because nbs just got way stronger.
I'm all for balancing stamnb and in the same patch buff medium but as we know Zos this won't happen and they will simply make nbs even stronger

This thread isn't about Nightblades and Nightblades aren't even overpowered. Incap combined with befoul cp might be a little ridiculous but Nightblades are hardly over performing. I don't play one, but on a medium dizzy swing stam dk I've never had an issue with ones that didn't spec into befoul.

WTB those enemies.
Stamnb is overperfoming, not much but slightly, mainly noticeable when 40% of cyro are stamnb and in BGs atleast 50%.

If something is overpeforming based on population, then vampirism is certainly overpeforming

Vampirism is used due to lack of other choices and good balance.
For mag you either go Vamp or nothing. And then you have to decide if it's worth the cost
For stam you can be vamp/ww or normal: WW is a complete playstyle you'd have to build around that isn't really viable too and then we are back at deciding is it worth the cost or not

For classes there are 10 possible specs and if one of those specs makes more than a third of the whole population you can see that something is wrong

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Since tanks can't use shuffle anymore the dodge chance really isn't useful. Imo replace it with a flat damage reduction to make it more like mist form for vamps (looks similar already anyways).

Its my turn to say medium armor isn't about tanking damage, if you want damage reduction, go heavy armor and yada yada

JobooAGS wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

It's ridiculous how 95% just read the caption and then talk about the passive dodge chance of shuffle although op didn't even mention it.

I agree that the snare immunity of shuffle is way too low.
I think 4 seconds are fine when you're using 5 medium and 5.6 seconds when using 7 pieces.

However any buff to medium armor makes stamnbs even more overperfoming and that's something we have to avoid at any cost

All other stam builds shouldn’t suffer from the sub par viability of medium armor just because stambaldes are OP. Adjust stam NBs if necessary and move forward. And I agree, people don’t even read posts. The snare immunity from shuffle is a little short. And yes the sneak passive needs to be moved to legerdemain as I’ve mentioned before and replaced. Sneaking is not so important in this game that it needs to take up an important slot in the armor passives. If you rely on sneaking that much you’re doing something wrong.

Of course they shouldn't but if ZOS brings medium buffs to the game the other stamclasses will suffer even more because nbs just got way stronger.
I'm all for balancing stamnb and in the same patch buff medium but as we know Zos this won't happen and they will simply make nbs even stronger

This thread isn't about Nightblades and Nightblades aren't even overpowered. Incap combined with befoul cp might be a little ridiculous but Nightblades are hardly over performing. I don't play one, but on a medium dizzy swing stam dk I've never had an issue with ones that didn't spec into befoul.

WTB those enemies.
Stamnb is overperfoming, not much but slightly, mainly noticeable when 40% of cyro are stamnb and in BGs atleast 50%.

If something is overpeforming based on population, then vampirism is certainly overpeforming

oh it is.

@Abysswarrior45
As a solo player no, terrible idea regarding shuffle and before you may think I do not PvP I can assure you I've been playing PvP since it came out on Xbox (not all the time).

Medium armor buff wise they could always increase the reduction in stamina cost from 2% per armor piece to 3/4%.
What I would really love is if they provide a break free reduction kinda similar but less powerful to the Heavy armor break free passive. This would aid against knock-backs/hard CCs.